Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Peter St. John wrote: Of course the additional expense keeps your question interesting for now. I would imagine that if something is done to cover **software** errors, which are aeternal :-), such as periodic checkpointing, then adding memcheck stuff as Tony suggests seems r

Re: [Beowulf] Quad-Core Parallelism

2007-11-16 Thread Mark Hahn
I am wondering if there is any work on software for true parallism at the software level on any of the new Quad-Core chips? Unfortunately, during my what would "false" parallelism mean? it's pretty common to use thread-level parallelism in linpack/blas type libraries, as well as openmp. syst

Re: [Beowulf] Quad-Core Parallelism

2007-11-16 Thread Joe Landman
Greetings Don: Donald Shillady wrote: I am wondering if there is any work on software for true parallism at the software level on any of the new Quad-Core chips? Unfortunately, during my career since 1965 I have tried to write my own software and avoided using canned software and that has ser

Re: [Beowulf] help on building Beowulf

2007-11-16 Thread Mark Hahn
I am thinking of building a Beowulf of 17 dual-core nodes, one head node and 16 computation nodes for material research simulation. I am also a it's worth asking whether you need an interconnect more than gigabit. my understanding is that many material sims can be statically partitioned so tha

[Beowulf] help on building Beowulf

2007-11-16 Thread 润东 万
Hi, there, First let me salute your dedicated contribution to the beowulf society. Especially I, a newcomer, have benefitted huge from your online resource and your QAs. I am thinking of building a Beowulf of 17 dual-core nodes, one head node and 16 computation nodes for material resea

[Beowulf] Quad-Core Parallelism

2007-11-16 Thread Donald Shillady
I am wondering if there is any work on software for true parallism at the software level on any of the new Quad-Core chips? Unfortunately, during my career since 1965 I have tried to write my own software and avoided using canned software and that has served me well in changing over many diffe

[Beowulf] Performance of Intel vs AMD compute nodes

2007-11-16 Thread Achilles - Home
Hello list, This topic has probably been discussed before. Still, I would like to hear some opinions/input about these specific issues. In terms of expected performance, what is known about the following CPU choices. Field of work: CFD CPU: Intel 5160 or 5365 (3.0 GHZ) vs. AMD or 8222 (3.0

Re: [Beowulf] raid 1 or ldap?

2007-11-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Reuti, Reuti wrote: > Hi, > > Am 13.11.2007 um 10:50 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> I am clustering 8 32-bits machines and 5 64 bits machines. >> 64 bits machines are heavily used for MPI jobs >> and rest of the machines are simply being terminal for >> PhD students. >> One of 64-bits mac

Re: [Beowulf] who is buying those $200 PCs from wal-mart?

2007-11-16 Thread bari
andrew holway wrote: I have been in contact with them to see if we can get some kind of benchmark. I want to see how they perform against AMD/intel. I might give it a go if the numbers work. Cheers Andy On 15/11/2007, Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is really interesting to see that

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Jim Lux
At 01:56 PM 11/16/2007, Mark Hahn wrote: I just asked the local NT goon, "do you use ECC for the servers?" and he answered, "you have to". What he considers a server-class mobo requires ECC whether you need ECC depends on many things. first, how much memory your machine has - my experience is

Re: [Beowulf] Opteron

2007-11-16 Thread John Leidel
Depends on who you talk to and what vendor is doing the talking :-) On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 10:02 +, andrew holway wrote: > Come on then SC07'ers. Whats the buzz with barcelona? > ___ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org > To change your subscri

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Jim Lux
At 09:43 AM 11/16/2007, Peter St. John wrote: David, I just asked the local NT goon, "do you use ECC for the servers?" and he answered, "you have to". What he considers a server-class mobo requires ECC and he added that the tendency is now to FB-DIMM (fully buffered, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Jim Lux
At 11:23 AM 11/16/2007, Robert G. Brown wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Joe Landman wrote: Robert G. Brown wrote: ... peculiar standing waves that echo those words in the meta-structure of electricity we fondly call "the brain". Hey... I thought there is some chemistry in there as well. Peopl

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Mark Hahn
I just asked the local NT goon, "do you use ECC for the servers?" and he answered, "you have to". What he considers a server-class mobo requires ECC whether you need ECC depends on many things. first, how much memory your machine has - my experience is that most generic servers (web, file, ma

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Peter St. John
RGB: "...What is this Mind of which you do not speak but which speaks You, but Electricity, given a very transient and very lovely form?" This Is Not The Form of a Haiku: Wave Forms Spring. Platonic fall, to Antiquity. Aristotle is the Winter to the Summer of my Haiku. Is the Void Formless? Pete

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Joe Landman wrote: Robert G. Brown wrote: ... peculiar standing waves that echo those words in the meta-structure of electricity we fondly call "the brain". Hey... I thought there is some chemistry in there as well. People spend so much time in pursuit of hacking thei

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Joe Landman
Robert G. Brown wrote: ... peculiar standing waves that echo those words in the meta-structure of electricity we fondly call "the brain". Hey... I thought there is some chemistry in there as well. People spend so much time in pursuit of hacking their brain chemistry, I thought it was for m

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Peter St. John
David, I just asked the local NT goon, "do you use ECC for the servers?" and he answered, "you have to". What he considers a server-class mobo requires ECC and he added that the tendency is now to FB-DIMM (fully buffered, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBDIMM). This suggests to me that next year(s) c

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Tony Travis
David Mathog wrote: [...] Any of you running clusters without ECC? Has the lack of error correction been a problem? Hello, David. Yes, I'm running openMosix on [EMAIL PROTECTED]/2600+ 1p compute nodes. I posted this on the openMosix Wiki about it: http://howto.krisbuytaert.be/openMosixWiki

Re: [Beowulf] Opteron

2007-11-16 Thread laytonjb
Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Hahn wrote: > >> Come on then SC07'ers. Whats the buzz with barcelona? > > > > I am not sure about this. Have some tests to do. Bug Doug Eadline on > this, he has some good early impressions based upon his testing. The initial results are a

Re: [Beowulf] Opteron

2007-11-16 Thread Joe Landman
Mark Hahn wrote: Come on then SC07'ers. Whats the buzz with barcelona? I didn't get to go dammit, but I think Intel used Penryn reporting extremely effectively. I'm personally astonished how poorly AMD is doing in keeping up, or at least appearing to keep up. so far, it's quite sad: only ve

Re: [Beowulf] raid 1 or ldap?

2007-11-16 Thread Eric Thibodeau
Profile your code... oprofile or, if you want to get fancy, set up TAU ;) Eric Thibodeau Reuti wrote: > Hi, > > Am 13.11.2007 um 10:50 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> I am clustering 8 32-bits machines and 5 64 bits machines. >> 64 bits machines are heavily used for MPI jobs >> and rest of the ma

Re: [Beowulf] Opteron

2007-11-16 Thread Mark Hahn
Come on then SC07'ers. Whats the buzz with barcelona? I didn't get to go dammit, but I think Intel used Penryn reporting extremely effectively. I'm personally astonished how poorly AMD is doing in keeping up, or at least appearing to keep up. so far, it's quite sad: only very low-clock chips

Re: [Beowulf] Not quite Walmart, or, living without ECC?

2007-11-16 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, David Mathog wrote: There are some pretty good deals in the low end of the mother board and CPU ranges right now. Not what you folks would buy, but something I'd consider to replace the old Athlon MP's in our 2U cases, one of which just blew up (or the Tyan motherboard, it

[Beowulf] Opteron

2007-11-16 Thread andrew holway
Come on then SC07'ers. Whats the buzz with barcelona? ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf