Re: [Beowulf] impressions of Super Micro IPMI management cards?

2007-11-09 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Chris Dagdigian wrote: > Does anyone have any experience/impressions of the "Supermicro   > Intelligent Management" stuff? We're using them on our new Opteron cluster that will start to blossom into a Barcelona cluster soon. The biggest problem we've found is what appears t

Re: [Beowulf] How to Monitor Cluster

2007-11-09 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Lombard, David N wrote: > - You can directly manipulate the XML data from the multicast > channel. We run a script on each node that uses the ipmitool command to pull out CPU and system temperatures and then use gmetric to inject them into Ganglia. Very handy.. cheers, Ch

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Mark Hahn
Get loads of ram, vmware-server and BINGO! you have a cluster! But this isn't a cluster - it's enterprise masturbation. We're talking And as noted, it may be a reasonable way to build a dynamically repurposeable cluster intended to run certain classes of EP or not do people really do this w

Re: [Beowulf] Re: The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Mark Hahn
Most of the clusters I end up building or working on (academic, government and corporate sites) are intended to support periodic spikes in computing demands. Exactly. It's not just academic. This mode of parallel operation comes up any time the user needs the result to proceed with a project,

Re: [Beowulf] Harpertown Numbers

2007-11-09 Thread richard . walsh
-- Original message -- From: "Douglas Eadline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The hardware was two - 2 socket 1U servers, connected with IB > (16 cores total) with which I tested the Clovertown last year. > So it makes for a good comparison (pop in new processors) . Aahh, sur

Re: [Beowulf] Harpertown Numbers

2007-11-09 Thread Douglas Eadline
> > -- Original message -- > From: "Douglas Eadline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> As many of you know Intel is releasing the Harpertown >> next week at SC07. I will have a white paper with my >> requisite NAS parallel MPI results. Appro commission the >> paper so I will be hang

Re: [Beowulf] Harpertown Numbers

2007-11-09 Thread richard . walsh
-- Original message -- From: "Douglas Eadline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As many of you know Intel is releasing the Harpertown > next week at SC07. I will have a white paper with my > requisite NAS parallel MPI results. Appro commission the > paper so I will be hanging ar

Re: [Beowulf] Arima sensors.conf files

2007-11-09 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
could anyone point me to those files at some other url? Thanks in advance On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, William Dinkel wrote: > >Does anyone on this list have experience configuring lm-sensors on HDAMA > >boards? The lm-sensors database doesn't have the HDAMA board in their > >database and it would be nic

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread andrew holway
> But this isn't a cluster - it's enterprise masturbation. We're talking about > HPC, not running payrolls on a server. It's all about performance. > Running a bunch of VM instances on a server is not really HPC to me. > Of course, it's a GREAT way to learn and I know a bunch of people > who use fo

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Jim Lux
At 05:21 PM 11/9/2007, Jeffrey B. Layton wrote: Jim Lux wrote: At 01:03 PM 11/8/2007, andrew holway wrote: Im still not convinced, bang for buck your going to get more clustering this junk than buying commodity hardware. Benchmarks at the ready. Andy No question there.. However, if you want

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Kilian, we still are at layman level there compared to the hardware guys when i write next: a) SSE2 is a vector instruction, it executes upon a vector containing 128 bits. That's either 4x32 bits single precision or 2 x 64 bits double precision, or it can be 4 x 32 bits integers or 2 x 64

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread jimlux
Quoting Larry Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Fri 09 Nov 2007 06:42:54 AM PST: Robert G. Brown wrote: On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Jim Lux wrote: In general, a N GHz processor will be poorer in a flops/Watt sense than a 2N GHz processor. Well that just isn't so. It seems pretty clear from IBM

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread jimlux
Quoting "Jeffrey B. Layton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Sat 10 Nov 2007 08:49:01 AM PST: andrew holway wrote: Sod all this tin pot stuff. Buying all this crap, sticking it in a rack and stringing it together with wire aint difficult. Making the damn software work is the tricky bit. Get loads of

Re: [Beowulf] Need recommendation for a new 512 core Linux cluster

2007-11-09 Thread Eric Thibodeau
There is another product, though not free, that might be of interest for file transfers. It's from ExLudus (www.exludus.com) and might be worth looking into. Steven Truong wrote: > Hi, all. I would like to know for that many cores, what kind of file > system should we go with? Currently we have

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread jimlux
Quoting "Robert G. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Fri 09 Nov 2007 04:49:13 AM PST: On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Jim Lux wrote: preserve ALL our words, useful or not, long after we shuffle off this mortal coil> from zero to one or vice versa). So, in general, a 2N GHz processor consumes less tha

Re: [Beowulf] Need recommendation for a new 512 core Linux cluster

2007-11-09 Thread Steven Truong
Hi, all. Thank you very much for your inputs and advices. I definitely would need to study the nature of my applications a lot more before we can make any sensible decisions. Well, our main application is VASP and from what I have learned the IO is sporadic and VASP seems to me is not IO intens

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Kilian CAVALOTTI
Hi Vincent, On Friday 09 November 2007 09:21:41 am Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > Ok easy theoretic calculation, and it's still very rude of course: > > 1 core 2.4Ghz * 3 instructions a cycle * (sse)2 = 7.2 * 2 = 14.4 > Gflop Could you please elaborate a little bit about the "3 instructions a cycle

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Larry Stewart wrote: The flaw in this argument is that a slower clock design can use the same small transistors and the same current state of the art processes and it will use many fewer transistors to get its work done, thus using very much less power. Our 1 GF core is 60

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007, Jeffrey B. Layton wrote: andrew holway wrote: Sod all this tin pot stuff. Buying all this crap, sticking it in a rack and stringing it together with wire aint difficult. Making the damn software work is the tricky bit. Get loads of ram, vmware-server and BINGO! you have a

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Peter St. John
Vincent, Ah, thanks; I was neglecting ops per cycle variations among cores. Peter On Nov 9, 2007 12:21 PM, Vincent Diepeveen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok easy theoretic calculation, and it's still very rude of course: > > 1 core 2.4Ghz * 3 instructions a cycle * (sse)2 = 7.2 * 2 = 14.4 Gflop >

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Ok easy theoretic calculation, and it's still very rude of course: 1 core 2.4Ghz * 3 instructions a cycle * (sse)2 = 7.2 * 2 = 14.4 Gflop 4 cores of a quad core ==> 57.6 gflop 3 nodes ==> 3 * 57.6 = 172.8 gflop Now of course your software won't be able to get that out of the hardware at core2

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Peter St. John
Vincent, I'm missing something in the arithmetic. "3 nodes of quadcore" is 12 cores? delivering 100 "GFlops" would require something like 8 GHz? So perhaps you mean, 3 nodes of dual socket, quadcore CPU (24 cores) at 4GHz? And you can get that for $1500? Thanks, Peter On Nov 9, 2007 11:44 AM, Vin

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Jeffrey B. Layton
andrew holway wrote: Sod all this tin pot stuff. Buying all this crap, sticking it in a rack and stringing it together with wire aint difficult. Making the damn software work is the tricky bit. Get loads of ram, vmware-server and BINGO! you have a cluster! But this isn't a cluster - it's e

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Larry, all what you write is very interesting and of course i hope for you your product line gets a big succes. Just like IBM's blue gene, the major expertise of your product line is that it is only interesting to governments who need major amounts of crunching power (the other conditions left

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread andrew holway
Sod all this tin pot stuff. Buying all this crap, sticking it in a rack and stringing it together with wire aint difficult. Making the damn software work is the tricky bit. Get loads of ram, vmware-server and BINGO! you have a cluster! Trust me...its the best and most efficient way. On 09/11/

[Beowulf] Re: The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread David Mathog
Chris Dagdigian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node? > It is dangerous to project *your* particular use cases and workflows > upon the community at large. > > Most of the clusters I end up building or working on (academic, > government and corporate si

[Beowulf] Harpertown Numbers

2007-11-09 Thread Douglas Eadline
As many of you know Intel is releasing the Harpertown next week at SC07. I will have a white paper with my requisite NAS parallel MPI results. Appro commission the paper so I will be hanging around their booth next week handing out the paper. (book geek that I am). I cannot mention any numbers un

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Larry Stewart
Robert G. Brown wrote: On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Jim Lux wrote: In general, a N GHz processor will be poorer in a flops/Watt sense than a 2N GHz processor. Well that just isn't so. It seems pretty clear from IBMs BlueGene/L, as well as the SiCortex processors, that the opposite is true. The new

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Jim Lux wrote: At 01:03 PM 11/8/2007, andrew holway wrote: Im still not convinced, bang for buck your going to get more clustering this junk than buying commodity hardware. Benchmarks at the ready. Andy No question there.. However, if you want a low capital investment to

Re: [Beowulf] The Walmart Compute Node?

2007-11-09 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Jim Lux wrote: In general, a N GHz processor will be poorer in a flops/Watt sense than a 2N GHz processor. The power draw is a combination of a fixed load plus a frequency dependent load, so for the SAME processor, running it at N/2 GHz consumes more than 50% of the power

Re: [Beowulf] I know you guys are out there

2007-11-09 Thread Håkon Bugge
At 04:52 09.11.2007, you wrote: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:42:10 -0500 From: Lawrence Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Beowulf] I know you guys are out there To: Gerry Creager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Beowulf List , Lawrence Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]