Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Tim Cutts
On 17 Oct 2007, at 6:50 pm, Jon Tegner wrote: Drifting off a bit further, but as I see it, the biggest advantage of FC over debien/ubuntu is kickstart. Or??? Debian/Ubuntu both have automated install methods. There's the 'preseeding' method, which is pretty similar in principle to kicks

[Beowulf] Re: MD check/scrub features

2007-10-17 Thread Mark Hahn
not me. raid is too important to be trusted to hardware - have you tried MD's check/scrub features? though afaik it doesn't have a way to switch on verification during normal reads (or, for that matter, verify-after-write.) Any pointers to more information on this? apparently, recent enough

Re: [Beowulf] Tilera to Introduce 64-Core Processor

2007-10-17 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 02:48:58AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Perhaps you are refering to the TRIPS Polymorphic Processor from U > of Texas which can be configured to favor ILP, DLP, or TLP > application types. I think I sent out this reference a while back. > It should be in the archives.

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Tony Travis
Robert G. Brown wrote: [...] If I had my druthers, we (the Linux community) would work towards a unified packaging scheme, a nice binary standard, a common /etc layout (ideally one that converts a lot of /etc files from flat to xml, since flatfiles suck for the specification for slowly varying ex

[Beowulf] MD check/scrub features

2007-10-17 Thread Orion Poplawski
Mark Hahn wrote: not me. raid is too important to be trusted to hardware - have you tried MD's check/scrub features? though afaik it doesn't have a way to switch on verification during normal reads (or, for that matter, verify-after-write.) Any pointers to more information on this? -- Orion

Re: [Beowulf] Reliable Job Queueing and Notification

2007-10-17 Thread Lombard, David N
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 02:47:00PM -0400, Chris Dagdigian wrote: > ... > You might also want to check out the DRMAA stuff (http://drmaa.org/ > wiki/) -- it is supposed to be a DRM-neutral way of submitting jobs > to a queuing system. I'm not very familiar with DRMAA so I can't tell > you offh

Re: [Beowulf] Reliable Job Queueing and Notification

2007-10-17 Thread Bernard Li
Hi Sean: On 10/16/07, Sean Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've started work on a web service which contains several potentially > long running processing steps (molecular dynamics), which are perfect to > farm out to the fairly large (90 node) Beowulf I have access to. The > primary issue is t

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Jon Tegner
Robert G. Brown wrote: Fedora installs in the future will be done by yum. Yum enables something that is truly marvelous for people who have to install through thin pipes (e.g. DSL links): a two stage interruptable install. It is possible to install a barebones system in the first pass in a rela

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread James Cownie
On 17 Oct 2007, at 16:20, Robert G. Brown wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Gerry Creager wrote: Quote... "Three things in life a man must do, Before his days are done. Write two lines of APL... And make the sucker run." OK, so it's not PL-I but APL was another interesting beast. A friend had w

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Peter St. John
I think of it as "ed (as 'ex') is still critical as a part of vi (as 'gvim')". Peter On 10/16/07, Dale Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2007-10-16 at 10:39, Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > elucidated: > > > > I have heard (or am spreading) the rumor that the 1-18-08 movie is not > > rea

Re: [Beowulf] Reliable Job Queueing and Notification

2007-10-17 Thread Chris Dagdigian
Sean, For what it's worth, Grid Engine (SGE) has a utility binary called "qevent" that is not part of the official binary distribution but can be built from the source distribution (http:// gridengine.sunsource.net). Do a google search for "sge + qevent" and you'll at least hit a few SGE

Re: [Beowulf] Reliable Job Queueing and Notification

2007-10-17 Thread Peter St. John
Well, you could make a mail recipient that belongs to your web service. Then use the existing email notification to cc your service, with appropriate keywords in subject line, then use the "you have mail" event to trigger parsing the keyword and matching against a current user connection. It could

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Ellis Wilson wrote: Wow, PL-I, I'm learning about that in my language design class. While it brought a bunch of new items to the computing field, can't say I'm upset I didn't code in it :). Sorry guys, I came into existence just about the time the internet was opened up

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Jon Tegner wrote: Drifting off a bit further, but as I see it, the biggest advantage of FC over debien/ubuntu is kickstart. Or??? I don't know if that question has an easy answer. Kickstart is certainly AN advantage in certain environments, but Debian will install automag

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Peter St. John
Yes indeed it's fascinating, and I could write all day about what I **did** do (in 92 ish?) but which was already obseleted by porting to a platform with a better ("vetted by randomness geeks") library. But I think the idea ("hmmm") was that the bit of paper fluttering down from the keypunch to th

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Dale Harris
On 2007-10-16 at 10:39, Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> elucidated: > > I have heard (or am spreading) the rumor that the 1-18-08 movie is not > really a monster movie, but the final epic battle between vi and emacs ... > An old coworker of mine would probably like me to put in good and sarcast

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Jon Tegner
Drifting off a bit further, but as I see it, the biggest advantage of FC over debien/ubuntu is kickstart. Or??? /jon Robert G. Brown wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, andrew holway wrote: Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed. $apt-cache search foo | grep bar everyone I work wit

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Ellis Wilson
Wow, PL-I, I'm learning about that in my language design class. While it brought a bunch of new items to the computing field, can't say I'm upset I didn't code in it :). Sorry guys, I came into existence just about the time the internet was opened up from just NSF to commercial interest, so pu

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Eric Thibodeau
Of course, this is valid given so many people use the kernel build time as a benchmark ;) Heck! It's even used as a filesystem performance benchmark! Eric Joe Landman wrote: > andrew holway wrote: >> And the winner of the 2007 Parallel Development Tools Award is... > > make -j16 ... > > (

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread stephen mulcahy
Tim Cutts wrote: I've been reading the aptitude documentation this morning, as it happens, and there's all sorts of useful stuff it can do above what apt-cache could manage, and it's solved a number of long-standing problems I've had... in particular its search functionality is *much* impro

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Jon Tegner
You should switch to a .deb-system, to save you some trouble: $ apt-cache search jove jove - Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs - a compact, powerful editor Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) /jon Robert G. Brown wrote: I do realize (*ahem*) that I'm one of three living humans that still use jove, an

Re: [Beowulf] Barcelona availability

2007-10-17 Thread Jan Heichler
Hallo Herbert, Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2007, meintest Du: HF> We are planning to extend an existing cluster (dual-core Opterons) with HF> some Barcelona nodes. What the salesman tells me is that you can get HF> 1.9GHz chips now, up to 2.3GHz in December and 2.4/2.6GHz in January. HF> Does this soun

[Beowulf] Reliable Job Queueing and Notification

2007-10-17 Thread Sean Ward
I've started work on a web service which contains several potentially long running processing steps (molecular dynamics), which are perfect to farm out to the fairly large (90 node) Beowulf I have access to. The primary issue is translating requests from the event driven web service, to job que

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Peter St. John wrote: If someone had thought of a way to queue up and read tiny bits of paper science would have advanced a decade :-) Ahh, but but but... Let us grant that a bucket full of such dots can be shaken to where the order that they are drawn is unpredictable

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, andrew holway wrote: Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed. $apt-cache search foo | grep bar everyone I work with however prefers yum. They regard Debian as being a bit backward. I don't know if Debian is backward, but I will affirm that yum is pretty fa

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Peter St. John
I implemented "Chomp" (a nim-like game from Martin Gardner's description) in basic with paper-punch around '74. At that time I had no concepts for "OS" or "development environment" but I learned "acoustic coupler" and "teletype" and was confused by "duplex". Later I briefly used a keypunch to learn

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Tim Cutts wrote: If you want a good introduction to debian packages and how they work, then I recommend Martin Krafft's book "The Debian System". I've been a Debian Developer for ten years, and that book still teaches me useful stuff about Debian on a regular basis. V

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Gerry Creager wrote: Quote... "Three things in life a man must do, Before his days are done. Write two lines of APL... And make the sucker run." OK, so it's not PL-I but APL was another interesting beast. A friend had written an entire StarTrek game, including a 3d univer

[Beowulf] Barcelona availability

2007-10-17 Thread Herbert Fruchtl
We are planning to extend an existing cluster (dual-core Opterons) with some Barcelona nodes. What the salesman tells me is that you can get 1.9GHz chips now, up to 2.3GHz in December and 2.4/2.6GHz in January. Does this sound realistic? Have faster Barcelonas been seen in the channel? Are ther

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Geoff Jacobs
andrew holway wrote: > Not a fan of aptitude, Like command line me :) > > On 17/10/2007, Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 17 Oct 2007, at 10:30 am, andrew holway wrote: >> >>> Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed. >>> >>> $apt-cache search foo | grep bar >>> >>> everyon

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Tim Cutts
On 17 Oct 2007, at 1:02 pm, stephen mulcahy wrote: Tim Cutts wrote: I've been reading the aptitude documentation this morning, as it happens, and there's all sorts of useful stuff it can do above what apt-cache could manage, and it's solved a number of long- standing problems I've had...

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread andrew holway
Not a fan of aptitude, Like command line me :) On 17/10/2007, Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 17 Oct 2007, at 10:30 am, andrew holway wrote: > > > Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed. > > > > $apt-cache search foo | grep bar > > > > everyone I work with however prefe

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Tim Cutts
On 17 Oct 2007, at 10:30 am, andrew holway wrote: Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed. $apt-cache search foo | grep bar everyone I work with however prefers yum. They regard Debian as being a bit backward. I'm not familiar with yum, so I can't really comment. However, ap

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread andrew holway
Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed. $apt-cache search foo | grep bar everyone I work with however prefers yum. They regard Debian as being a bit backward. On 17/10/2007, Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 16 Oct 2007, at 10:19 pm, Robert G. Brown wrote: > > > On Tue,

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread Tim Cutts
On 16 Oct 2007, at 10:19 pm, Robert G. Brown wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Jon Tegner wrote: You should switch to a .deb-system, to save you some trouble: $ apt-cache search jove jove - Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs - a compact, powerful editor Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) Hey, it's ok. I'

Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools

2007-10-17 Thread John Hearns
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