Re: [Beowulf] SGI to offer Windows on clusters

2007-04-12 Thread John Hearns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich, I know that Platform (LSF), Altair (PBS), and Cluster Resources (MOAB) have solutions that do this. I started to look at them at my previous job. Not too bad in general. I also know that Joe Landman at Scalable Informatics also has a web interface (SWICE?) that he

Re: [Beowulf] SGI to offer Windows on clusters

2007-04-12 Thread Joe Landman
Hi Jeff, Rich, and Beo-world: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rich, > > I absolutely agree with you! I've been thinking about this for a long time but > I don't have any answers for you :) I think there are a number of people > thinking about this same problem. My best suggestion is to use the web to

Re: [Beowulf] debugging

2007-04-12 Thread Matt Funk
thanks for all the replies first of all, i don't know the exact scyld distribution. However, i am running mpich 1.2.5. When i run my program (stripped down to a mere MPI_INIT(...) call) and test it with valgrind i get something like : ==21799== Use of uninitialised value of size 8 ==21799==    

RE: [Beowulf] SGI to offer Windows on clusters

2007-04-12 Thread Ryan Waite
Ideally ISVs won't link with a.DLL for Compute Cluster Server. Instead they'll call a web service running on the job scheduler node. That web service could be offered by a Windows cluster or a Linux/UNIX cluster. This simplifies cluster integration work for ISVs. We hope the way people do this is

Re: [Beowulf] SGI to offer Windows on clusters

2007-04-12 Thread David Simas
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 08:59:04AM -0700, Rich Altmaier wrote: > > This means, for Linux to have a position as the backend > compute cluster, we must have this one button job launch > capability. A Windows library must be available to > the ISV, to provide a job submission API to the batch > sch

Re: [Beowulf] SGI to offer Windows on clusters

2007-04-12 Thread laytonjb
Rich, I absolutely agree with you! I've been thinking about this for a long time but I don't have any answers for you :) I think there are a number of people thinking about this same problem. My best suggestion is to use the web to launch and monitor jobs. Everyone know how to use a browser, so j

Re: [Beowulf] debugging

2007-04-12 Thread Michael Will
Matt, Which version of Scyld is that? I just tried it out on 30cz1 and CW4 and neither had an issue, however that little mpihello.c might not have been representative of what your application does... Did you engage Support? Michael Matt Funk wrote: Hi, i hope this is the right mailing list

[Beowulf] Meta-Rant, a recursive rhetorical sentence, skip if your bandwidth is limited

2007-04-12 Thread Peter St. John
Were I to constuct a sentence by writing a gopher, which follows the links of the wiki articles for first, the Theorem which asserts that Proofs are Programs, and second, the wiki articles regarding divers symbolic mathematics computation packages such as Cayley, Maple, and MAXSYMA, and then, purs

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Rusty Lusk wrote: Sorry for the belated participation in this subthread of this most excellent thread. There is another paper on the relationship between MPI and PVM, written by Bill Gropp and me. You can find it at http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~gropp/bib/papers/2002/mpiandpv

Re: [Beowulf] SGI to offer Windows on clusters

2007-04-12 Thread Fred L Youhanaie
Hi Rich, Have a look at the following links http://drmaa.org/wiki/ http://www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/view.php?group=drmaa-wg http://www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/view.php?group=saga-rg Cheers f. Rich Altmaier wrote: Here is a proactive suggestion for keeping open source a

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Peter St. John wrote: I propose we bifurcate into two threads (both of which may be done!). 1. Thesis: 64 bit good. We are all agreed now, case closed, IMO. :-) 2. Thesis: no group of human beings will ever directly author source code (meant to compile together) in exc

[Beowulf] Re: Beowulf Digest, Vol 37, Issue 58

2007-04-12 Thread Håkon Bugge
Hi Christian, Sorry for this very delayed answer. At 03:16 27.03.2007, Christian Bell wrote: I can't type, 482 was indeed a typo. But still, I wouldn't look at the absolute numbers "as is" since the single-node base case has different performance. Since 1x2x1 is our only common base case and

[Beowulf] SGI to offer Windows on clusters

2007-04-12 Thread Rich Altmaier
Here is a proactive suggestion for keeping open source ahead of Microsoft CCS: 1. I think CCS will appeal to small shops with no prior cluster and no admin capability beyond a part time windows person. 2. such customers are the volume seats for a range of desktop CAD/CAE tools. 3. Such ISVs

Re: [Beowulf] debugging

2007-04-12 Thread Naoya Maruyama
On 4/12/07, Ashley Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 11:30 -0600, Matt Funk wrote: > > The reason i want to run on 32 processor though, is that it takes (on > > 32 procs) several hours till my program crashes. Also, i would like to > > be able to keep the conditions under w

Re: [Beowulf] OT: Last resort query here... (but it's NOT about a Win Wulf...)

2007-04-12 Thread Peter St. John
Gerry, Yeah. I think Korn is the "preferred" shell at AT&T too. But better for you to dumb down your tcsh (say) to ksh (say) for the make, than for the sysadmin to. Unfortunately the infinite flexibilty of the open environment (my choice of vi, or emacs!!) leads to uncontrollable variety, which fr

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Rusty Lusk
Sorry for the belated participation in this subthread of this most excellent thread. There is another paper on the relationship between MPI and PVM, written by Bill Gropp and me. You can find it at http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~gropp/bib/papers/2002/mpiandpvm.pdf We wrote it because we felt the

Re: [Beowulf] OT: Last resort query here... (but it's NOT about a Win Wulf...)

2007-04-12 Thread Gerry Creager
Peter, To some extent I can understand the need to specialize shells, especially for optimization of batch processing directives. However, someone reasonably competent with a particular shell should be able to set up environment variables and such in a manner likely to make a build work. A

Re: [Beowulf] OT: Last resort query here... (but it's NOT about a Win Wulf...)

2007-04-12 Thread Peter St. John
Gerry, I just wanted to note that if it's difficult to recompile using a different shell, perhaps because of elaborate build scripts in tcsh or something, then your admin is right, he can't help you debug the make until you switch shells. With the burgeoning complexity of the business specializati

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Peter St. John
I propose we bifurcate into two threads (both of which may be done!). 1. Thesis: 64 bit good. We are all agreed now, case closed, IMO. 2. Thesis: no group of human beings will ever directly author source code (meant to compile together) in excess of 4GB. I think we agree with RGB that 2 is irre

RE: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Kozin, I \(Igor\)
Indeed it is rather amusing to think of an example with very large text size. First I thought it's very hard. But let me see. Suppose you have a rather complicated function of 50 variables which takes about 500kB. Then full second derivatives (say, using Maple or 2500 people) will take about 500k

Re: [Beowulf] NFS & Scaling issues

2007-04-12 Thread Bruce Allen
Amrik Singh wrote: Recently we started noticing very high (70-90%) wait states on the file servers when compute nodes. We have tried to optimize the NFS through increasing the number of daemons and the rsize and wsize but to no avail. PS: All the nodes are running SuSE 10.0 and servers are r

[Beowulf] OT: Last resort query here... (but it's NOT about a Win Wulf...)

2007-04-12 Thread Gerry Creager
I'm trying to get WRF-NMM running on a new IBM p575 and having some issues. Anyone on here gone down that path and willing to offer a little advice? Please reply off-list. Note: AiX spoken on this system. Leads to all sorts of interesting things when the sysadmin states he can't tell me wh

Re: [Beowulf] Help with HPL Makefile

2007-04-12 Thread Peter St. John
I don't know, but one thing that caught my eye is the error at line 47, when your makefile seems to have only 45 (nonblank) lines. If I miscounted (which is easy), then the error could have raised when dropping off EOF without meeting some grammatical expectation. That made me wonder what "RANLIB

Re: [Beowulf] Help with HPL Makefile

2007-04-12 Thread Kilian CAVALOTTI
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 09:02:03 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks for your replies everyone. I feel like I am understanding things > a little better. One thing that I realized but not sure if this makes a > difference is that I have installed an openmpi package and an mpich > package so co

Re: [Beowulf] debugging

2007-04-12 Thread Ashley Pittman
On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 11:30 -0600, Matt Funk wrote: > The reason i want to run on 32 processor though, is that it takes (on > 32 procs) several hours till my program crashes. Also, i would like to > be able to keep the conditions under which it crashes intact as much > as possible (i.e. run on 32 p

Re: Why is 64 bit faster. RE: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Mark Hahn wrote: 2.) If you install the 32 bit version of an os, say linux, instead of the 64 bit version and then run 32 bit apps, do you get the speedup? no. in any case, I doubt there's any reason to install 32b linux, since a 64b kernel _can_ support 32b processes (wh

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Richard Walsh wrote: Hear hear! For self-adapting softare you *can't* distinguish instructions from data. That may sound over-specialized but I invite you to consider DNA and what it does: instruct enzymes to modify DNA. An awful lot comes out of that process. So I don't thi

Re: Why is 64 bit faster. RE: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Mark Hahn
1.) Why is a 64 bit cpu faster? I had assumed the main benefit was the memory that could be addressed, obviously a bad assumption. being able to address more memory is indeed critical for some codes. certainly not all; in fact, the larger pointers hurt some codes. 64b mode also enables a lot mo

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-12 Thread Jakob Oestergaard
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 07:30:41PM +0200, Toon Moene wrote: > Jon Forrest wrote: > > >One thing I've noticed about 64-bit computing in general > >is that it's being oversold. The **only** reason > >for running in 64-bit mode is if you need the additional > >address space. For AMD64 (including EM6