Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-08 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 04:57:18PM -0700, Jon Forrest wrote: > For apps that > don't need the extra address space, the benefits of > the additional registers in x86-64 are nearly undone > by the need to move more bits around, Man, good thing you noticed. We'll have to change the default on our co

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-08 Thread Joe Landman
Jon Forrest wrote: Joe Landman wrote: ??? Flat memory is non-segmented by definition. Would you care to point out the flat memory addressing mode on x86 which can access all 4GB ram? I am sure I missed it. I'll be happy to withdraw this comment. I stand corrected on this ... x386 and hi

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-08 Thread Mark Hahn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> cat hi.f90 program hi print *,"hi" end [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> pgf90 hi.f90 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ./a.out hi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ls -alF a.out -rwxr-xr-x 1 landman users 2302794 Apr 8 21:38 a.out* interesting - my x86_64 (pgf90 6.1-6) generates just 1.2 MB

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-08 Thread Joe Landman
Jon Forrest wrote: Joe Landman wrote: No. The extra registers make compiler optimization work better (lower register pressure). The flat memory model (doing away with segmented registers) simplifies addressing, and reduces the work of the processor for every physical address calculation (no m

[Beowulf] They appear to be reading beowulf ....

2007-04-08 Thread Joe Landman
C.f. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6174266.html ... especially quoting the eminently quotable RGB. Obviously Microsoft declares victory, or at least success. What marketing organization would admit failure (and keep their jobs)? What I would like to see is evidence of uptake. Real numbers,

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-08 Thread Joe Landman
Hi Jon Jon Forrest wrote: > One thing I've noticed about 64-bit computing in general > is that it's being oversold. The **only** reason I disagree (with oversold). > for running in 64-bit mode is if you need the additional > address space. Indeed, for some apps this is critical and No. The ext

Re: [Beowulf] Linux cluster for my college

2007-04-08 Thread Mark Hahn
We are planning to set up a linux cluster on trail basis in our college.Since its merely a trail,we have been alloted PIII PCs with 128 MB Ram and 40 GB HD on a 100 MBps LAN.All i want to know is,will this hardware support a cluster? Moreover which distro/software to begin with? If this trial su

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-08 Thread Mark Hahn
add the additional difficulty of getting 64-bit drivers for windows, at least. 64b-ness was never much of an issue for linux. and what-not, I don't think it's worth messing with 64-bit computing for apps that don't need the address space. I think you underestimate the number of jobs that ca

Re: [Beowulf] Linux cluster for my college

2007-04-08 Thread Jim Lux
At 11:39 PM 4/7/2007, Sandip Dev wrote: We are planning to set up a linux cluster on trail basis in our college.Since its merely a trail,we have been alloted PIII PCs with 128 MB Ram and 40 GB HD on a 100 MBps LAN.All i want to know is,will this hardware support a cluster? Yes. I built a

[Beowulf] Linux cluster for my college

2007-04-08 Thread Sandip Dev
We are planning to set up a linux cluster on trail basis in our college.Since its merely a trail,we have been alloted PIII PCs with 128 MB Ram and 40 GB HD on a 100 MBps LAN.All i want to know is,will this hardware support a cluster? Moreover which distro/software to begin with? If this trial s

Re: [Beowulf] Win64 Clusters!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-04-08 Thread Jon Forrest
One thing I've noticed about 64-bit computing in general is that it's being oversold. The **only** reason for running in 64-bit mode is if you need the additional address space. Indeed, for some apps this is critical and 64-bit computing solves a real problem. For apps that don't need the extra ad