Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Geoff Jacobs
Kyle Spaans wrote: > Actually some keywords I forgot to mention that might come in handy are: > Scyld, Rocks, Oscar, Condor Warewulf -- Geoffrey D. Jacobs Go to the Chinese Restaurant, Order the Special ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org To

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread steve_heaton
> I just purchased 4 used PIII computers and Red Hat 7.1 > and would like to begin learning about cluster > computing. Where should I start? I think you'll get more out of it if you have a *reason* to run a Beowulf. Check the ClusterMonkey 'Value Cluster' artilces for a lot of useful ideas re sug

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Kyle Spaans
Actually some keywords I forgot to mention that might come in handy are: Scyld, Rocks, Oscar, Condor ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beo

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Chris Samuel
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 05:27, Greg Lindahl wrote: > I will note that on Woodcrest & Core2 cores, the PathScale compilers > do (relatively speaking) a lot better than on previous Intel cpus. > So there's an option. Have they moved to FlexLM yet ? We had PathScale on eval for a while but fo

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Chris Samuel
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 02:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > So until end 2007 the core2 annihilates any opteron system. In my experience with both architectures it depends on what you want out of a box, and what you're running on it, as well as your power constraints.. There is a good reason

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Jim Lux
At 02:23 PM 11/6/2006, Kyle Spaans wrote: Welcome! You're in the same boat as me. I've found that just browsing ClusterMonkey, and reading the intro document on the beowulf.org website to be very helpful. Being subscribed to this list also helps. The odd relevant [to us begginners that is] discus

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Eadline
--snip-- > But another poster's suggestion go to ClusterMonkey is a good > one. There's some tutorials there on getting revved up on the first > go around.ClusterWorld magazine had some tutorials too (is it > online? I just have the paper copies lying around) Actually ClusterMonkey is run

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Eadline
Future Cluster Geeks: I would be very interested if there is anything that you think is "missing" in your search. i.e. what big questions do you have to which you cannot easily find an answer ? My invitation extends to all the beginners on the list. No question is to stupid or silly. Reading thes

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Jim Lux
At 12:45 PM 11/6/2006, Mark Hahn wrote: Is there a beginners forum to subscribe to? why a forum? there are tons of excellent resources on the web that you can read to get up-to-speed. it's a lot more time-effective for everyone if you pick up the background first. I just purchased 4 used PI

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Kyle Spaans
Welcome! You're in the same boat as me. I've found that just browsing ClusterMonkey, and reading the intro document on the beowulf.org website to be very helpful. Being subscribed to this list also helps. The odd relevant [to us begginners that is] discussion.If you are looking for things to read,

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Mark Hahn
Is there a beginners forum to subscribe to? why a forum? there are tons of excellent resources on the web that you can read to get up-to-speed. it's a lot more time-effective for everyone if you pick up the background first. I just purchased 4 used PIII computers and Red Hat 7.1 why the he

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Mark Hahn
Is Simple Scalar(http://simplescalar.com/) good forr testing beowulf clusters? but why? simplescalar appears to be an ISA simulator, which I would guess would exibit a relatively small memory footprint and lots of branchy, mostly-int code. if that's the case, then it would make a pretty poor

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Richard Walsh
Joe Landman wrote: Richard Walsh wrote: Joe Landman wrote: We are working on a machine with 2 Opteron 2218s. For laughs, I ran streams on it. Here are 1,2,3,4 processor data. 1 processor: Copy: 5713.9944 0.0591 0.0560 0.0600 Scale: 5713.9822 0.0587 0.056

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Scott Atchley
On Nov 6, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Jeffrey B. Layton wrote: Some codes are also outliers, for example Fluent on Woodcrest does great, if I remember correctly. The Fluent benchmarks need to be explained. There are basically 9 benchmarks (small, medium, and large models). On the small and medium models

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Jeffrey B. Layton
Greg Lindahl wrote: On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 06:38:25PM -0500, Joe Landman wrote: Since they wish to do it only for Intel processors, and the world is decidedly mixed, this has implications on the use of Intel compilers for lots of people wishing to get the best performance on all platforms

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 06:38:25PM -0500, Joe Landman wrote: > Since they wish to do it only for Intel processors, and the world > is decidedly mixed, this has implications on the use of Intel compilers > for lots of people wishing to get the best performance on all platforms > with a single co

Re: [Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Eadline
Check out ClusterMonkey.net Particularly the New to Clusters section. It will help you navigate some of the issues. http://www.clustermonkey.net//content/view/91/44/ -- Doug > Is there a beginners forum to subscribe to? > I just purchased 4 used PIII computers and Red Hat 7.1 > and would

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Thanks for your answer. Please show us results of prime95 (iteration times is already enough) please to prove your marketing talk regarding floating point unit of existing K8 chips.. Paper benchmarks of items that are not even close to be able to get bought in shops happen just a bit too much

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Shyaam
Is Simple Scalar(http://simplescalar.com/) good forr testing beowulf clusters?Kind regards,Shyaam ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf

[Beowulf] G2PC'07 Workshop on Global and P2P Computing

2006-11-06 Thread Gilles Fedak
--- CALL FOR PAPERS The 7th International Workshop on GLOBAL AND PEER-TO-PEER COMPUTING (GP2PC'07) "Observation, Experience and Application"

[Beowulf] Beginners Forum info!

2006-11-06 Thread Tom Whigham
Is there a beginners forum to subscribe to? I just purchased 4 used PIII computers and Red Hat 7.1 and would like to begin learning about cluster computing. Where should I start? Get your email and see which of

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Craig Tierney
Jeffrey B. Layton wrote: OK, I feel like trying this one (call me stupid if you will). Thanks for your info, this is very helpful. So until end 2007 the core2 annihilates any opteron system. No! This may be true for your application, but it's not true for all applications. I have a c

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Joe Landman
Jeffrey B. Layton wrote: [...] So which one is faster - Woodcrest or Opteron - really depends on your code. Yup. Most of the testing I have done, where Woodcrest is faster appears to be linked to the cache size. Since I used the PGI compilers, and built a single binary (not the mixed bina

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Joe Landman
Richard Walsh wrote: Joe Landman wrote: We are working on a machine with 2 Opteron 2218s. For laughs, I ran streams on it. Here are 1,2,3,4 processor data. 1 processor: Copy: 5713.9944 0.0591 0.0560 0.0600 Scale: 5713.9822 0.0587 0.0560 0.0600 Add:

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Jeffrey B. Layton
OK, I feel like trying this one (call me stupid if you will). Thanks for your info, this is very helpful. So until end 2007 the core2 annihilates any opteron system. No! This may be true for your application, but it's not true for all applications. I have a couple of applications wher

[Beowulf] SC06 - shameless plug (sort of)

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Eadline
If you are heading to SC06 in Tampa next week, you may be interested in the following (if not just ignore this mailing). Over the last month or so I have been banging on two dual socket quad-core 1U nodes from Appro. That is 16 cores total. The nodes are connected by GigE and Mellanox Infiniband.

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Richard Walsh
Vincent Diepeveen wrote: Thanks for your info, this is very helpful. So until end 2007 the core2 annihilates any opteron system. Nope. Dual-core socket F does quite a bit to even the score on floating-point, just with the DDR2 latency and bandwidth improvements. I would not use the w

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 at 8:57am, Jeffrey B. Layton wrote I'm also not sure if LS-Dyna is built with the Intel compilers or not. This will also have an impact on performance since you have to _dumb-down_ the compile options to get it to run on Opteron (I mentioned this to Joe Landman, but for everyo

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Thanks for your info, this is very helpful. So until end 2007 the core2 annihilates any opteron system. Except of course when you're interested in just measuring bandwidth. So the K8L should then take over from core2 the performance reign again. Wasn't that K8L also going to do 4 instructions

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Richard Walsh
Joe Landman wrote: We are working on a machine with 2 Opteron 2218s. For laughs, I ran streams on it. Here are 1,2,3,4 processor data. 1 processor: Copy: 5713.9944 0.0591 0.0560 0.0600 Scale: 5713.9822 0.0587 0.0560 0.0600 Add:5454.2389 0

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Richard Walsh
Vincent Diepeveen wrote: Impressive bandwidth. Is this the so called 'k8h' revision which has improved SSE2 throughput? The socket F series is generally referred to as K8L (revision H). The dual-core is already available and is primarily a pin-count and memory controller upgrade

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Jeffrey B. Layton
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 at 8:54am, Joe Landman wrote Initial benchmarks (2.6 GHz clock) put it at about 17% faster than Opteron 275 and Woodcrest 5150 (2.66 GHz) on a GAMESS test we use (1h41m for Woodcrest and 275, and 1h26m for this unit). I'd be very interested to se

Re: [Beowulf] Thought that this might be of interest

2006-11-06 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 at 8:54am, Joe Landman wrote Initial benchmarks (2.6 GHz clock) put it at about 17% faster than Opteron 275 and Woodcrest 5150 (2.66 GHz) on a GAMESS test we use (1h41m for Woodcrest and 275, and 1h26m for this unit). I'd be very interested to see any application benchmarks