Re: [Beowulf] Vector coprocessors AND CILK

2006-03-21 Thread Jim Lux
At 07:18 PM 3/21/2006, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: - Original Message - From: "Daniel Pfenniger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Lux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Vector coprocessors If you produce such cards in low quantity you los

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread Douglas Eadline
> Charlie Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > >> I think clusters like the one Eric wants to build have /significant/ >> educational value, both in the building and the use. How else does one >> learn to do parallel/distributed programming if not on a cluster, even >> a "toy" one? Sure the single AM

Re: [Beowulf] Vector coprocessors AND CILK

2006-03-21 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
- Original Message - From: "Daniel Pfenniger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Lux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Vector coprocessors Jim Lux wrote: ... There are probably applications where a dedicated card can blow the doors o

Re: [Beowulf] 8-socket Opteron systems - what is your experience ?

2006-03-21 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Konstantin, First ask them whether it supports dual core chips, if it doesn't then obviously you'll be better off with a quad dual core. It's a lot cheaper too. Tyan has also something similar to this, might be a cheaper solution and works dual core. Most go for that one instead of the iwil

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations (Geater at Home)

2006-03-21 Thread Tim Mattox
If you are looking for efficient power supplies, this is a good place to start: http://www.80plus.org/ We have been very happy with the Green PS models from the FSP Group which are being used in a 48 node Athlon 64 cluster here at the U. of KY. -- Tim Mattox - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.m

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread Donald Becker
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, John Hearns wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 13:06 -0500, Joe Landman wrote: > > Not sure of the performance impact of this, but you could look at OpenVZ > > or Xen as well (when it is ready). > > Xen has very little impact on performance. I saw some very good figures > at a

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread Charlie Peck
On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:35 PM, David Mathog wrote: Charlie Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote I think clusters like the one Eric wants to build have /significant/ educational value, both in the building and the use. How else does one learn to do parallel/distributed programming if not on a clust

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread John Hearns
On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 13:06 -0500, Joe Landman wrote: > > Not sure of the performance impact of this, but you could look at OpenVZ > or Xen as well (when it is ready). Xen has very little impact on performance. I saw some very good figures at a recent presentation at FOSDEM. I guess the bigges

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread Douglas Eadline
> > I've still got the code around if anybody wants it -- it might be up on > the Monkey website as well -- the article is there I'm pretty sure but > Doug was going to work out a way of posting the supporting scriptware > and I don't know if he ever did that. Doug? Indeed, it is there. Article:

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, David Mathog wrote: I wonder if one couldn't set up a single modern computer, with a fast CPU and tons of memory, as N virtual machines, for instance using VMware, and then run a sort of virtual cluster? Obviously there wouldn't be any performance advantage to doing this but

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread Joe Landman
David Mathog wrote: Interesting question that, how else might this be done? I wonder if one couldn't set up a single modern computer, with a fast CPU and tons of memory, as N virtual machines, for instance using VMware, and then run a sort of virtual cluster? Ouch... VMWare is really nice,

[Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread David Mathog
Charlie Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > I think clusters like the one Eric wants to build have /significant/ > educational value, both in the building and the use. How else does one > learn to do parallel/distributed programming if not on a cluster, even > a "toy" one? Sure the single AMD64

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations (Geater at Home)

2006-03-21 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Ed Karns wrote: ... this is NOT! a power saving concept. The total power "consumed" will be done by the total number of system motherboards, plus RAM, plus drives, plus monitor(s) plus added accessories. In fact by "stressing" 8 power supplies to run 16 motherboards (and g

[Beowulf] Re: Cluster newbie, power recommendations (Geater at Home)

2006-03-21 Thread Ed Karns
On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My greatest question, though, revolves around power distribution.  It seems kinda weak to simply use one PSU per motherboard, especially if I take the time to devise a cabinet in which to operate the goodies.  Is it possible to run maybe two or

Re: [Beowulf] Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread Jim Lux
At 03:58 AM 3/21/2006, Robert G. Brown wrote: O Yeah, that looks like it. Kinda cute in its own way. And you don't "have" to buy stock aluminum or steel and cut and bend it into shelf trays for the motherboards, BTW -- there was a design somewhere that mounted the motherboards onto cookie sheet

Re: [Beowulf] Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006, Charlie Peck wrote: I think clusters like the one Eric wants to build have /significant/ educational value, both in the building and the use. How else does one learn to do parallel/distributed programming if not on a cluster, even a "toy" one? Sure the single AMD64 will b

Re: [Beowulf] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1U server with 4 SATA ports and a 32-bit PCI slot]

2006-03-21 Thread John Hearns
On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 08:41 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > * 1U chassis > * 1 dual-core amd64 > * 4 SATA drives > * 1 32-bit PCI slot (preferably 2) It is a bit of a kludge, but you could get the single-socket short Supermicro chassis and use an external SATA connector, and put the drives outside the

Re: [Beowulf] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1U server with 4 SATA ports and a 32-bit PCI slot]

2006-03-21 Thread Bruce Allen
http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron/HT1000/H8SSL-i.cfm http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/1U/?chs=813 On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, John Hearns wrote: On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 08:41 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: * 1U chassis * 1 dual-core amd64 * 4 SATA drives * 1 32-bit PCI slot (pre

Re: [Beowulf] Cluster newbie, power recommendations

2006-03-21 Thread John Hearns
On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 19:09 -0600, Eric Geater at Home wrote: > Howdy, everyone! > > Maybe this is a question better suited for hardware heads, but I've become > Beowulf curious, and am interested in learning a hardware question. Personally, I would just use 16 power outlets and 16 PSUs. Yes, it i