Re: [Beowulf] (no subject)

2006-01-30 Thread H.Vidal, Jr.
Jim Lux wrote: At 01:32 AM 1/30/2006, Robert G. Brown wrote: Super-inflated property values add a certain baseline minimum to the cost of living there, even with rent control and the like (as in my brother cannot charge anything like the $7K/month or so that would be "fair market" rent for

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 02:31:26PM -0800, Jim Lux wrote: > No, the article was more along the lines that schools spend precious class > hours doing what is essentially user training for a single application, > rather than generic skills. The thrust was (this IS Phi Beta Kappa, after > all) tha

Re: [Beowulf] (no subject)

2006-01-30 Thread Kevin Ball
One thing to note here is that the pay scales in IT are at least somewhat merit based. If you do very well, you will climb the pay scales. In teaching, they are largely seniority based. You get put on a certain initial starting point based on how much schooling you have, and then your pay rises

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread H.Vidal, Jr.
Jim Lux wrote: At 03:27 PM 1/30/2006, H.Vidal, Jr. wrote: The emphasis on Graduate students is presumably applicable for college age students. And the emphasis on athletic events is nearly universal (plus kids really do need the break, it seems). Actually, I was using graduate as a verb.

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Jim Lux
At 03:27 PM 1/30/2006, H.Vidal, Jr. wrote: Jim Lux wrote: Most excellent... another good philosophical topic to discuss. At 10:06 AM 1/27/2006, Robert G. Brown wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Brian D. Ropers-Huilman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 My first cut response

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread H.Vidal, Jr.
Jim Lux wrote: Most excellent... another good philosophical topic to discuss. At 10:06 AM 1/27/2006, Robert G. Brown wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Brian D. Ropers-Huilman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 My first cut response, not the RGB 'bot response, which I'm sure

[Beowulf] (no subject)

2006-01-30 Thread Jim Lux
At 01:32 AM 1/30/2006, Robert G. Brown wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Jim Lux wrote: Entire state of CA: 35,135 lowest, 56,444 avg, 53,804 BA+60 Even districts with very low average family incomes don't have salaries that are a lot lower. (The low income has other effects.. more is spent on sup

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread H.Vidal, Jr.
Robert G. Brown wrote: Absolutely indeed. My "excellent anecdotes" on this subject are basically derived from: a) The experience of guiding maybe a couple dozen high school kids at various points in time through the building of their first beowulfs, usally with little or no support from thei

Re: [Beowulf] Re: clusters in high schools.

2006-01-30 Thread H.Vidal, Jr.
matt jones wrote: if there was an opportunity for clusters in high school, or secondary schools (which i'm in) it would be great, people like myself are actually being held back by the schools because we are far more advanced than all the others in our class's. not much can be done about this b

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread H.Vidal, Jr.
I have incorporated links to this content in my emerging page on HPC education at the high school level. Many thanks for your referral to this content. hv Douglas Eadline wrote: I recall almost 8 years ago, Jon "Mad Dog" Hall talking about High School in New England that was asking parents to

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread H.Vidal, Jr.
Karl Podesta wrote: Hi, Sounds like a place most tech people wouldn't have minded attending :-) Yes, I really wish I had this kind of high school when I was a kid. It also sounds like they would have staff capable of coping with a HPC system, which is important - although students could get

Re: writing skills Re: [Beowulf] Re: about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 07:26:05AM -0800, Jim Lux wrote: > At 10:26 PM 1/29/2006, Andrew Piskorski wrote: > >> I'd be happy if engineering students all learned english grammar and > >> spelling and could write an effective 2 page essay. > > > >Except that's not properly part of an engineering educ

Re: writing skills Re: [Beowulf] Re: about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 10:27:55AM -0600, Timothy W. Moore wrote: > I went through an exercise to try and hire a good young engineer a few > years ago. I wanted to unload, reduce the hours I work, and start > traveling with my wife. I gave up the search because I wanted an > engineer (US citizen

Re: [Beowulf] using two separate networks for different data streams

2006-01-30 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 07:32:37AM -0700, Keith D. Underwood wrote: > The physical layer on a link by link basis > doesn't even have the same signaling rate as IB (3.2 Gb/s/wire pair for > XT3 vs. 2.5 Gb/s/wire pair for IB). We found that most serdes you could buy that do 2.5 also do 3.125, becau

Re: writing skills Re: [Beowulf] Re: about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Kevin Ball
As an interesting note, I started out studying mechanical engineering at UCSD, and they required one class in either Fortran (90) or C. I took the Fortran version. I then ended up in Physics rather than engineering, where in the required courses Mathematica was the platform of choice for comput

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Joshua Halpern wrote: What they are "good" for is teaching physics (or, I'm sure, certain parts of engineering), especially where visualization or certain kinds of numerical exploration are the object of the exercise. They are really good at solving "one time" problems or

Re: [Beowulf] Re: about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, James Cownie wrote: On 28 Jan 2006, at 03:37, Andrew Piskorski wrote: A whole CLASS on "team work" or "presentation skills"? As fundamental to an ENGINEERING curriculum? God save us... Or rather, let's hope all the engineers we import from India and China save us - fro

Re: writing skills Re: [Beowulf] Re: about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Timothy W. Moore
It is true that students require good writing skills. When comparing my course requirements with the current I found technical writing and public speaking as having been added. I did not have to take either and wish I had. My thesis probably would have gone much faster and I would not have been

writing skills Re: [Beowulf] Re: about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Jim Lux
At 10:26 PM 1/29/2006, Andrew Piskorski wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 04:01:08PM -0800, Jim Lux wrote: > I'd even go so far as to say, many engineers SHOULD BE PROHIBITED from > programming in their professional career (unless they're in the software > development business). Better they should

Re: [Beowulf] Re: about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Jim Lux
At 07:28 PM 1/29/2006, Andrew Piskorski wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 04:04:48PM -0800, Jim Lux wrote: > At 01:31 PM 1/29/2006, James Cownie wrote: > >A whole class may be more than is necessary, but the inability of > >the Morton Thiokol engineers to produce a convincing presentation > >of the

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Halpern
Robert G. Brown wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Gerry Creager wrote: Mathcad and MatLab both have their uses but I'm not real happy seeing MatLab now seen as a parallelizable modeling tool. We're installing it for our Civil Engineering dept. so they can run some code they have, so I'll have m

Re: [Beowulf] using two separate networks for different data streams

2006-01-30 Thread Keith D. Underwood
> The Cray XT3 is an example, I think, of a system which sends > non-IB-like packets over an IB physical layer. But I don't think the > details are public and I don't know much about the XT3. The only heritage that the XT3 shares with IB is that IB was a strong (but by no means exclusive) driver

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Gerry Creager wrote: Mathcad and MatLab both have their uses but I'm not real happy seeing MatLab now seen as a parallelizable modeling tool. We're installing it for our Civil Engineering dept. so they can run some code they have, so I'll have more opinion about it shortl

Re: [Beowulf] about clusters in high schools

2006-01-30 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Jim Lux wrote: Entire state of CA: 35,135 lowest, 56,444 avg, 53,804 BA+60 Even districts with very low average family incomes don't have salaries that are a lot lower. (The low income has other effects.. more is spent on supplemental programs for remediation). Ummm, it

[Beowulf] More multiple things per node

2006-01-30 Thread SIM DOG
Great Minds I understand about multiple NICs per node (done that). I've got SMP nodes, how do I "bond" a NIC to a CPU in MPI 1.2x? Cheers Steve ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) vis