Re: [RFC/PATCH] m4: enable silent build rules by default

2021-12-12 Thread Jim Meyering
On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 7:14 AM Zack Weinberg wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, at 1:10 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On 07 Dec 2021 21:58, Zack Weinberg wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > >> > This has been available since automake 1.11 released over a decade > >>

Re: [RFC/PATCH] m4: enable silent build rules by default

2021-12-12 Thread Zack Weinberg
On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, at 1:10 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On 07 Dec 2021 21:58, Zack Weinberg wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> > This has been available since automake 1.11 released over a decade >> > ago. Let's flip the default to enable silent builds by default

Re: [RFC/PATCH] m4: enable silent build rules by default

2021-12-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On 07 Dec 2021 21:58, Zack Weinberg wrote: > On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > This has been available since automake 1.11 released over a decade > > ago. Let's flip the default to enable silent builds by default. > > Please don't *ever* make this change. It is absolutel

Re: [RFC/PATCH] m4: enable silent build rules by default

2021-12-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On 08 Dec 2021 15:02, Karl Berry wrote: > Please don't *ever* make this change. > > I agree with Zack, and just for CI purposes; it is simply too big of an > incompatibility to inflict at this late date. there's nothing incompatible about it. the inputs to the system (how configure & make ar

Re: [RFC/PATCH] m4: enable silent build rules by default

2021-12-08 Thread Karl Berry
Please don't *ever* make this change. I agree with Zack, and just for CI purposes; it is simply too big of an incompatibility to inflict at this late date. Mike, thanks for the suggestion, but let's skip this one. --karl P.S. Personally, I am no fan of silent builds. I find that inevitably I

Re: [RFC/PATCH] m4: enable silent build rules by default

2021-12-07 Thread Zack Weinberg
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > This has been available since automake 1.11 released over a decade > ago. Let's flip the default to enable silent builds by default. Please don't *ever* make this change. It is absolutely essential that the default build output be verbose

[RFC/PATCH] m4: enable silent build rules by default

2021-12-07 Thread Mike Frysinger
This has been available since automake 1.11 released over a decade ago. Let's flip the default to enable silent builds by default. --- NEWS | 9 + m4/silent.m4 | 2 +- 2 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS index fb05ee219708..866ace951fd5 10064