Yup! There isn't a need to differentiate these organizations types in
allocation policies, except if there is a technical requirement that ARIN has
to address that only applies to one or a subset of organization types.
Otherwise it is just an organization that wants to use the Internet and thes
-Original Message-
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:50 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised
On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> Correct, the M
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:00 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin wrote:
What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable
televis
I don’t view this to be needs based at all, I view it to be a way to right size
allocations without the needs tests. For example nowhere does it ask for
router ARP logs or any other form of proof of need nor does it ask how long it
will take to use up the allocation. It just asks what size net
Personally, I think ARIN is in error in that interpretation, but that is just
my personal opinion and carries no actual weight with anyone other than me.
I would suggest that you contact Leslie or John and request that your situation
be reviewed by management. I know that there are a number of V
On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:00 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable
>>> television service. They'll also provide you with Internet acces
On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> Correct, the Missions Statement isn't policy but policies all need to flow
> from and be in alignment with the Mission Statement. It exists to help guide
> ARIN and this community in day to day matters. I don't know who wrote the
> origina
Is a VPS company an ISP or an end user?
ARIN told me in a ticket regarding an initial IPv4 end-user request
(this is yesterday) that the virtual server (VPS) company i work for,
is NOT an end-user, but is an ISP. Each virtual servers uses less
than a /29, and we do not do SWIP, reallocate, or rea
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:24 PM, George Herbert
wrote:
> $COFFEESHOP central networking may allocate a netblock to each location, but
> they're internal customers not external. One can make the case that the
> individual access then makes the overall organization an ISP from there.
>
> $HOTELCHAI
On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> Correct, the Missions Statement isn't policy but policies all need to flow
> from and be in alignment with the Mission Statement. It exists to help guide
> ARIN and this community in day to day matters. I don't know who wrote the
> original
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:30 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> >> What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable
> >> television service. They'll also provide you with Internet
Correct, the Missions Statement isn't policy but policies all need to flow from
and be in alignment with the Mission Statement. It exists to help guide ARIN
and this community in day to day matters. I don't know who wrote the original
Mission Statement - maybe IANA and NSF and others were invo
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable
>> television service. They'll also provide you with Internet access on
>> the same coax cable with the modem they rent you.
>
On 7/17/13 16:13 , William Herrin wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, William Herrin wrote:
Google assignes IP addresses to its servers for SSL. Google owns the
servers. The servers cache content from other servers they don't own
and index i
On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:43 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> Google assignes IP addresses to its servers for SSL. Google owns the
>>> servers. The servers cache content from other servers they
On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Justin Krejci wrote:
>> Here is my newbie and possibly naive response.
>>
>> Without additional details on individual cases in the list, I would expect
>> all of those cases to be "end-users" as none of them
On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:51 PM, "Alexander, Daniel"
wrote:
> Owen,
>
> Your reply sounds circular to me. Is the process of explaining resources
> complicated because they are end users or ISP's, or are they complicated
> because the policy requirements have made them so by creating all the
> dist
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> Google assignes IP addresses to its servers for SSL. Google owns the
>> servers. The servers cache content from other servers they don't own
>> and index it for searching by google users.
>
On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Having made applications under both policy frameworks and
>> having been active in authoring policies on both sides of the
>> spectrum, I think that the needs of these two different
>> co
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Justin Krejci wrote:
> Here is my newbie and possibly naive response.
>
> Without additional details on individual cases in the list, I would expect
> all of those cases to be "end-users" as none of them are in the business of
> reallocating address blocks. Right
You've just described pretty much what happens now. This is, to me at least,
indistinguishable other than a few subtle operational details from the current
needs-basis policy and process(es).
Owen
On Jul 15, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> If you are publicly traded and your company’
Owen,
Your reply sounds circular to me. Is the process of explaining resources
complicated because they are end users or ISP's, or are they complicated
because the policy requirements have made them so by creating all the
distinctions? All the issues you mention are because the policies are
differ
Here is my newbie and possibly naive response.
Without additional details on individual cases in the list, I would expect all
of those cases to be "end-users" as none of them are in the business of
reallocating address blocks. Right or wrong I've always been under the
impression this to be the
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Having made applications under both policy frameworks and
> having been active in authoring policies on both sides of the
> spectrum, I think that the needs of these two different
> communities in terms of how they justify resources are,
> in f
> The point I'm trying to make is that the distinction between the network
> definitions may apply to how the resource assignments should be tracked,
> but they should be less of a factor in how the resources are obtained.
> This becomes even more relevant in todays world where transfers will soon
There was a notice sent out several months ago about the mission statement
change. This was an action of the BoT. I remember receiving the notice. I don't
remember which list(s) I received it on, but most likely arin-announce and/or
arin-discuss.
Owen
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