Re: [arch-general] kde and systemd [was Re: [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:55:06 +0200 Joakim Hernberg wrote: > $ pacman -Qi shows me that kdebase-workspace depends on consolekit, > which in turn depends on polkit. The above comment seems to suggest > that kde will soon depend on systemd. Maybe I should add that I think this support is only neede

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > Notice that debian is working on a tool to automagically convert unit > systemd files into initscripts. > > https://github.com/akhilvij/systemd-to-sysvinit-converter If that works, it would be great. However, I'm very skeptical. I don't

Re: [arch-general] kde and systemd [was Re: [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package]

Am 28.08.2012 04:16, schrieb Shridhar Daithankar: > On Monday 27 Aug 2012 11:30:46 AM Joakim Hernberg wrote: >> On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:48:32 +0200 >> >> Thomas Bächler wrote: >>> But this only concerns the booting itself. As consolekit is >>> unmaintained, polkit will soon depend on systemd. The n

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

Op 28 aug. 2012 10:06 schreef "Tom Gundersen" het volgende: > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > > Notice that debian is working on a tool to automagically convert unit > > systemd files into initscripts. > > > > https://github.com/akhilvij/systemd-to-sysvinit-converte

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Guus Snijders wrote: > Op 28 aug. 2012 10:06 schreef "Tom Gundersen" het volgende: >> If that works, it would be great. However, I'm very skeptical. I don't >> see how this could possibly work for services of type other than >> "forking" (i.e., how to simulate so

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

On 27 August 2012 18:16, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Lukas Jirkovsky > wrote: >> I can help (or at least try to) with support for initscripts > > Anyone who wants to help, please join arch-proje...@archlinux.org, > review patches, use initscripts from git/testing and

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote: > I'm pretty sure at least Ubuntu will keep patches to make some of such > apps work without systemd. So far we see that whenever systemd is made optional, it is optional at compile-time rather than at run-time (which would have been ideal,

Re: [arch-general] khugepaged hangs and filesystem unresponsive

On 27 August 2012 09:10, pants wrote: > Good evening, > > I just experienced a major problem with my system while listening to a > music file in mpd from an xfs filesystem over a mdadm raid6. A kernel > error was thrown, with the following error.log entry: > > output: /var/log/error.log >> Aug 26

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

On 28 August 2012 11:05, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Lukas Jirkovsky > wrote: >> I'm pretty sure at least Ubuntu will keep patches to make some of such >> apps work without systemd. > > So far we see that whenever systemd is made optional, it is optional > at compile

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/27/2012 05:40 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > "you sir, are an arrant sack of shite -- a pitifully miserable sore > spewing an egregious pus of arrogance and obstinance -- a first-class > jerk-off!" Wow, Stephen Fry would be proud. http://youtu.

[arch-general] Re: [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

The 28/08/12, Tom Gundersen wrote: > I guess what I wrote was a bit misleading. Ignore socket/dbus > activation (that is a side effect only). The point is that I don't see > how to make daemons of Type=simple (the default), Type=dbus or > Type=notify work without reimplementing much of systemd (re

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > "[...]its communication channels should be installed before the daemon is > started up [...]" This is the point. If a daemon has been customized for systemd (which some have, and hopefully more will), then it will expect systemd to s

[arch-general] Re: [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

The 28/08/12, Tom Gundersen wrote: > This is the point. If a daemon has been customized for systemd (which > some have, and hopefully more will), then it will expect systemd to > set up its communication channels for it and pass them to the daemon > on startup, it might also expect systemd to do m

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

> Suppose for some reason the majority of scientists believe in the > theory of the Big Bang. And then I come along and wonder... where is > the evidence? Well, if the Big Bang theory has merits, there would be > tons of evidence, and any decent scientist that believes in this > theory would gladly

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

> > So which components (obviously used by the majority of Arch users) do > > currently have or will soon have hardcoded! dependencies to systemd? > > udev. > > Upstream, Gnome has considered it. You know why, because according to heise some of their longterm devs have left leaving more than h

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

> Every piece of complex software has bugs; those bugs > won't be found if the software isn't tested, and since you're not willing > to participate in that process you've no right to harass those who have. Not everyone wants complex software, just about any other init system let's you decide that.

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

> The cumulated amount of time spent on these endless discussions has > now almost certainly get past the amount of time necessary to fix > initscripts. > > Fix them instead of feeding trolls. Except there will be more fallout from systemd's wide adoption than our own selfish needs but as that is

Re: [arch-general] kde and systemd [was Re: [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package]

> But who knows, I can imagine > that there are so many old time linux users that would hate installing > something like systemd even if they use kde as DE. With a bit of luck > someone willl step up and maintain an alternative to consolekit/polkit > that doesn't require systemd. In most cases t

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

> at some point other packages are > likely to depend on you booting with systemd (NetworkManager, polkit, > Gnome, etc.). Do you mean the packages compiled for Arch with systemd enabled options like firefoxes with dbus? I don't see these packages removing more than half their userbase and I don't

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

> I'm pretty sure at least Ubuntu will keep patches to make some of such > apps work without systemd. I can maintain these in community if that > time comes. But I can care about KDE only, making GNOME work without > systemd would be a too difficult (I don't use it and they are much > more likely t

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

Hi, Apparently, Gentoo has recently forked udev. [1] I am not completely sure since the main poster is a n00b according to the gentoo forum ratings, but rest of the discussions seems legit. -- Cheers and Regards Jayesh Badwaik stop html mail | always bottom-post www.asciiribbon.org | www

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:06:12 +0100 Kevin Chadwick wrote: > In fact in most cases that was exactly what happened with some > scientists and teachers saying the Big Bang was all but proven until > fairly recently the number questioning and the evidence built up > against it. To me it has been obvio

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

On Tuesday 28 Aug 2012 11:16:38 Kevin Chadwick wrote: > You know why, because according to heise some of their longterm devs > have left leaving more than half the devs being RedHat employees. > > p.s. I have nothing against RedHat, I value they're work, mostly the > work which goes unnoticed. Unf

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 16:43 +0530, Jayesh Badwaik wrote: > On Tuesday 28 Aug 2012 11:16:38 Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > You know why, because according to heise some of their longterm devs > > have left leaving more than half the devs being RedHat employees. > > > > p.s. I have nothing against RedHat

[arch-general] systemd boot errors

Dear list, I am testing systemd. I have the following errors at boot: 1-failed to start packet filtering framework iptables is installed on my system 2-boot hangs on at: reached target graphical interface i do not use any login manager. runlevel 3 + startx 3-systemd can't write to journal. I

[arch-general] [signoff] syslinux-4.05-7

Hi, we still miss a signoff for i686 anyone who wants to signoff? thanks greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tp...@archlinux.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [arch-general] systemd boot errors

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote: > > Dear list, > > I am testing systemd. > I have the following errors at boot: > > 1-failed to start packet filtering framework > iptables is installed on my system > > 2-boot hangs on at: reached target graphical interface > i do not use any l

[arch-general] [PSA] change to locale handling

Hi guys, We recently (in [testing]) refactored our locale handling. This should hopefully resolve some long-standing issues, so I though I'd bring it to everyone's attention. For some details see: . Please report any issues/bugs/re

Re: [arch-general] systemd boot errors

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Arno Gaboury wrote: > > Dear list, > > I am testing systemd. > I have the following errors at boot: > > 1-failed to start packet filtering framework > iptables is installed on my system There probably was an error restoring the iptables rules. Check "systemctl sta

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > Suppose for some reason the majority of scientists believe in the > > theory of the Big Bang. And then I come along and wonder... where is > > the evidence? Well, if the Big Bang theory has merits, there would be > > tons of evidence, and

Re: [arch-general] kde and systemd [was Re: [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package]

On 28 August 2012 16:01, Joakim Hernberg wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:55:06 +0200 > Joakim Hernberg wrote: > >> $ pacman -Qi shows me that kdebase-workspace depends on consolekit, >> which in turn depends on polkit. The above comment seems to suggest >> that kde will soon depend on systemd. >

Re: [arch-general] kde and systemd [was Re: [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:45:04 +0800 Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > Having libpulse or systemd "live" on your system isn't going to do any > harm while you're adapting to the change. There's always a way to do > what you want, and there's always another KISS operating system. Given > the resistance tha

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

On 08/27/2012 01:20 PM, Andre Goree wrote: > On 08/27/2012 01:03 PM, Jameson wrote: >> Updating xf86-video-intel to 2.20.5 today results in my DRM driver >> hanging when I try to use compiz. Has anyone else seen this, or am I >> just lucky with my hardware configuration? Does anyone know of >> so

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Andre Goree wrote: > On 08/27/2012 01:20 PM, Andre Goree wrote: >> On 08/27/2012 01:03 PM, Jameson wrote: >>> Updating xf86-video-intel to 2.20.5 today results in my DRM driver >>> hanging when I try to use compiz. Has anyone else seen this, or am I >>> just luck

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

> > Of course the Big Bang theory is morphing with one option being many > > Big Bang's and that it was a point in history and not the beginning > > which is perfectly plausible and systemd may morph sufficiently for > > more users too, in time. I care little though (except any consequences) > > an

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

> > > I opened a bug report. https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31317 > It seems to be SNA causing the problem. I have swapped over to UXA for the time being, been stable for the like 3 hours. Neil

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:55:46 +0100 Neil Perry wrote: > It seems to be SNA causing the problem. I have swapped over to UXA > for the time being, been stable for the like 3 hours. Is the default still UXA mode? --- Joakim

Re: [arch-general] khugepaged hangs and filesystem unresponsive

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:07:10AM +0200, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote: > It is difficult to say where the problem is in. I'd go for LKML > mailing list [1] or for the Kernel Bugzilla [2] as stated in [3]. You > may try XFS mailing list if you think it's XFS-only issue (ie. it > doesn't happen with other

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] linux-3.5.x status

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 04:10:26PM +0200, Tobias Powalowski wrote: > If you have any other showstopper please let me know. I just upgraded my machine to the new kernel this morning, and was greeted by a kernel panic coming out of the shower. Unfortunately, nothing was logged to the disk, so I hav

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Jayesh Badwaik wrote: > Hi, > > Apparently, Gentoo has recently forked udev. [1] I am not completely > sure since the main poster is a n00b according to the gentoo forum > ratings, but rest of the discussions seems legit. Actually, a guy forked it and announced it

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

Ahh, I thought so. It was only forked yesterday, so there is not much to be expected in terms of changes right now. But going by the number of veterans and others who have commented on it, I thought that it is possible that this is legit. Also, the guys there are talking like they are the one g

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Neil Perry wrote: > It seems to be SNA causing the problem. I have swapped over to UXA for the > time being, been stable for the like 3 hours. Yep. UXA is working fine for me, also. =-Jameson

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] linux-3.5.x status

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM, pants wrote: > I just upgraded my machine to the new kernel this morning, and was > greeted by a kernel panic coming out of the shower. Unfortunately, > nothing was logged to the disk, so I have nothing to share here, which > probably makes this email near useless

Re: [arch-general] iptables forward policy

Thanks all for your help I finally decided to go with a more simple port forwarding solution using socat a tool to forward tcp conections. This way I can filter forwarded ports by using the router's INPUT chain. Cheers On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Peter Baldridge wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 20

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

On 08/28/2012 02:43 PM, Jameson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Neil Perry wrote: >> It seems to be SNA causing the problem. I have swapped over to UXA for the >> time being, been stable for the like 3 hours. > > Yep. UXA is working fine for me, also. For what its worth - i still hav

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 08/28/2012 02:43 PM, Jameson wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Neil Perry wrote: > >> It seems to be SNA causing the problem. I have swapped over to UXA for > the > >> time being, been stable for the like 3 hours. > > > > Ye

[arch-general] Is Nouveau 2D or 3D acceleration driver for nVidia cards?

The description of package xf86-video-nouveau ( http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xf86-video-nouveau) is "Open Source 2D acceleration driver for nVidia cards", but Arch Wiki( https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nouveau) says that it is "Open Source 3D acceleration graphics driver for

Re: [arch-general] Is Nouveau 2D or 3D acceleration driver for nVidia cards?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Kelvin wrote: > The description of package xf86-video-nouveau ( > http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xf86-video-nouveau) is > "Open > Source 2D acceleration driver for nVidia cards", but Arch Wiki( > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nouveau) says

Re: [arch-general] Is Nouveau 2D or 3D acceleration driver for nVidia cards?

2012/8/29 Brandon Watkins > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Kelvin wrote: > > > The description of package xf86-video-nouveau ( > > http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xf86-video-nouveau) is > > "Open > > Source 2D acceleration driver for nVidia cards", but Arch Wiki( > > https://wi

Re: [arch-general] Is Nouveau 2D or 3D acceleration driver for nVidia cards?

Le 29 août 2012 05:26, "Kelvin" a écrit : > > 2012/8/29 Brandon Watkins > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Kelvin wrote: > > > > > The description of package xf86-video-nouveau ( > > > http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xf86-video-nouveau) is > > > "Open > > > Source 2D accelera

Re: [arch-general] Is Nouveau 2D or 3D acceleration driver for nVidia cards?

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Kelvin wrote: > The description of package xf86-video-nouveau ( > http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xf86-video-nouveau) is > "Open > Source 2D acceleration driver for nVidia cards", but Arch Wiki( > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nouveau) says