Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same > pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and > then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket. Nobody in the pro audio world fa

[arch-general] [KDE - Can't make Akonadi server / Nepomuk service run]

2012-08-13 Thread Martin Cigorraga
Ok, I know a lot of you cynics would say: "it's fine, why would do you want Nepomuk running anyways!?" The truth is my laptop HD went dead some days ago so I had to restore my system from a 2-weeks old backup; I usually use fsarchiver to backup root partition and 7z to compress ~/.kde4 so this way

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 02:08 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > The same pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as > your arm and then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket. > No, that are rich consumers. I don't think that all of those consumers are stupid audiophiles, I gue

[arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Jayesh Badwaik
Hi, Another flame may start here, but I would like to present the following as a pure news, no opinions[1]. Of course, after reading all the discussions on the mailing lists, my feeling after reading the link? Mwuhahahaha. Important quotes from the link ( which I hope do not alter the contex

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530 Jayesh Badwaik wrote: > (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case > you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we > can drop that support entirely.)" Lennart in topform again...:( Well if that's the official sta

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Rodrigo Rivas
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Joakim Hernberg wrote: > Too bad, we are either going to have to fork or look for an alternative to > udev. > When upstream udev fails to live up to some distributions (see, Ubuntu, for example) it *will* be forked. Hopefully, udev-systemd and udev-ng (or whate

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share > of nonsense, but it's different nonsense. Yeah but that stuff is usually just irritating but the audiophile example is a little funny without explanation. -- ___ 'Writ

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > I've been wondering lately whether there is a good reason why even udev > > violates the "one thing and do it well" principle set forth by the > > co worker of the designer of C and Unix as it not only dynamically > > creates devices like mdev does but also hotplugging like hotplugd on > > Open

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 12:21 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share > > of nonsense, but it's different nonsense. > > Yeah but that stuff is usually just irritating but the audiophile > example is a little funny without explanation. One hand washes

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Gour
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:34:26 +0200 Joakim Hernberg wrote: > Alternatively we will all be running systemd one day whether we want > to or not :( I suspect that this has been the game plan all the time > though. OK, flames away I guess :) Nobody to blame when we do not listen BSD folks and have

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> On Aug 13, 2012 3:17 AM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: >>> I've been wondering lately whether there is a good reason why even udev >>> violates the "one thing and do it well" principle set fort

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/13/2012 02:12 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Aug 13, 2012 3:17 AM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: I've been wondering lately whether there is a good reason why even udev violates the "one thing and do it well" principle set forth by the co worker of the designer of C and Unix as it not only dynamic

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/13/2012 07:50 AM, Gour wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:34:26 +0200 Joakim Hernberg wrote: Alternatively we will all be running systemd one day whether we want to or not :( I suspect that this has been the game plan all the time though. OK, flames away I guess :) Nobody to blame when we

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/13/2012 07:56 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Aug 13, 2012 3:17 AM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: I've been wondering lately whether there is a good reason why even udev violates the "one thi

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 08:59 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/13/2012 07:56 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > >>> On Aug 13, 2012 3:17 AM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: > I've been wondering la

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread gt
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:50:16PM +0530, Jayesh Badwaik wrote: > Hi, > > Another flame may start here, but I would like to present the following > as a pure news, no opinions[1]. > > Of course, after reading all the discussions on the mailing lists, my > feeling after reading the link? Mwuhah

Re: [arch-general] Using ATTR{flags} in udev rules

2012-08-13 Thread Sander Jansen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Hi, > > While building an Arch-based wireless router I ran into a problem of > persistent NIC naming. To differentiate which interfaces go to WAN and LAN, > I have created a simple udev rule like this > /etc/udev/rules.d/10-network.ru

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 19:11 +0530, gt wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:50:16PM +0530, Jayesh Badwaik wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Another flame may start here, but I would like to present the following > > as a pure news, no opinions[1]. > > > > Of course, after reading all the discussions on the

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> I see that linus torvalds will have competition pretty soon on who gets > to be the overlord. Or maybe they can coexist, one in kernel land and > the other in userspace land ;) linus used to run binaries from his earliest days just to make sure that they still worked and constantly iterates that

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > It's said a fundamental problem with user space development is > that often new projects are started because feature X is easier when > starting from scratch and so your swapping rather than developing. Is > that the case here or was there

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Rashif Ray Rahman
On 13 August 2012 16:04, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > >> Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same >> pro audio world sells Ł10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and >> then plugs them into a standar

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > Otherwise, we usually make our own cables. Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the soldering joints are ok. It's less expensive, since in Germany we've got an online retailer who sells equipment for less money.

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: >> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables. > > Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the > soldering joints are ok. It's less expensive, since in Germany we'

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530 Jayesh Badwaik wrote: > Hi, > *wall of text* I, for one, welcome our new red hatted underlings.

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 18:20 +0200, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > >> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables. > > > > Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if th

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once > asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world > after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean. Which is Neutrik made i

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Sander Jansen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: >> On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: >>> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables. >> >> Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the >>

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 16:35 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once > > asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world > > after a while at LA

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 19:38 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: >> Actually, that's one point where PA is right (even though it's >> wrong on a lot of other points): doing it like (2) avoids amplifying >> the quantification noise if the sound card applies the master gain >>

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-13 Thread Jameson
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Jayesh Badwaik wrote: > Another flame may start here, but I would like to present the following > as a pure news, no opinions[1]. You're free to post this, but don't for one second pretend that it is anything, but flame bait. =-Jameson

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Fons Adriaensen wrote: > 16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the > signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases, > the error (a rounding error) is random and appears as noise. For a > 16-bit card, that noise will have a level that is 98 dB low

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 19:53 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > Two points: > > - You don't readjust the master continuously, but you don't > add/remove sources on the fly either. You adjust the master in the > beginning when you setup your system, but the reason you can do that > is becaus

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:33:41PM +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > 16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the > > signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases, > > the error (a rounding error) is random and appears

Re: [arch-general] ip addr show doesn't show my ipv4 address after update, is this expected behaviour?

2012-08-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/06/2012 06:07 PM, Myra Nelson wrote: This may be resolved upstream[1]: gene === From lkml == I'm re-releasing the iproute2 tools for 3.5.0 kernel. There were a couple of bugs (one serious) in the 3.5.0 version. ... Mike Frysinger (1): Fix regression

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 20:33 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > I doubt those use 16 bits input. Even low-end hi-fi digital > recorders support 24 bits, which gives -72dB for the noise and > starts indeed to be acceptable. But most end-user will simply set > their system to "CD quality" (or leave it

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 20:33 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > > I doubt those use 16 bits input. Even low-end hi-fi digital > > recorders support 24 bits, which gives -72dB for the noise and > > starts indeed to be acceptable. But most end-u

Re: [arch-general] ip addr show doesn't show my ipv4 address after update, is this expected behaviour?

2012-08-13 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 08/06/2012 06:07 PM, Myra Nelson wrote: > > > This may be resolved upstream[1]: > > gene > > === From lkml == > I'm re-releasing the iproute2 tools for 3.5.0 kernel. > > There were a couple of bugs (one seri

Re: [arch-general] [KDE - Can't make Akonadi server / Nepomuk service run]

2012-08-13 Thread Martin Cigorraga
On 13 August 2012 06:29, Martin Cigorraga wrote: Nevermind, solved after reinstalling full MySQL stack. -- -msx

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Lukas Jirkovsky
On 13 August 2012 21:36, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Some chips work better at e.g. 96KHz, it doesn't depend to the KHz, > simply to the chip. > I always thought that these high sampling frequencies are used to avoid aliasing without need for a