Re: [arch-general] Top-posting

2014-10-10 Thread Germán Gutiérrez
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Marcel Korpel wrote: > Please, people, it's only two months ago that this was posted: > https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2014-August/036950.html > > Please, stop top-posting, the netflix discussion is hard to follow with > several people top-post

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-22 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on Dec 19, Raghavendra D Prabhu did say: > In mutt, you cannot limit the quote context I guess and I > don't want to limit the context by manually deleting the lines {snip} > For instance, while replying I make vim place cursor at the bottom > of quoted reply to ease in rep

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-20 Thread Guus Snijders
On 16-12-11 12:24, Jude DaShiell wrote: [ bottom posting, nettiquette ] The creators of the original email protocol could have if they chose put together an rfc on top posting and writers of email programs could have written software in such a way that top posting became impossible. None of tha

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-19 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:07:59 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 19/12/11, Ralf Madorf wrote: > > > PS: I mean, you should ban them using your MUAs filters, but a list > > shouldn't do. > > Whatever the filtering purpose is about, any personal filter fails at > the job because answers of others

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-19 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:56:44 +0530 Raghavendra D Prabhu wrote: > Bot ? Since when is procmail a bot ? meaning is what matters and anyway I'd say it is, procmail is programmed to do what it does aka a robot.

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-19 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:13:32 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > What solution will you spread when some people will be tied to hear > words like "suck", "fuck" and so? Change the words to things like, flowery and angel. Could be hilarious. "Shut up you mother angel your so flowery lovely"

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Raghavendra D Prabhu wrote: > I use > inline replies too given the circumstances. However, to avoid scrolling > you can try using t-prot for folding. While replying, vim also folds my > messages. This whole discussion has nothing to do with scrolling, most mail c

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-19 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 11:43 +0100, Ralf Madorf wrote: > > >What solution will you spread when some people will be tied to hear > > >words like "suck", "fuck" and so? > > Spencer Tracy in "Inherit the Wind" said (I only know the quote in > German, so I might badly translate it): "We should use all

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-19 Thread Ralf Madorf
> >What solution will you spread when some people will be tied to hear > >words like "suck", "fuck" and so? Spencer Tracy in "Inherit the Wind" said (I only know the quote in German, so I might badly translate it): "We should use all words that are in layman's terms, since we don't have much of t

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-19 Thread Raghavendra D Prabhu
Hi, * On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:13:32AM +0100, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Hi, The 16/12/11, Raghavendra D Prabhu wrote: I am all for bottom posting if it helps the reader of my mail. But, * For instance, I use t-prot to fold the reply, so that I don't have keep scrolling to read

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Raghavendra D Prabhu
* On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 07:47:03AM +0530, gt wrote: Hello folks, i'll probably get flamed for reviving a very controversial, yet consistently brought up topic. I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone points out to someone that top posting is bad. I was off the li

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Peter Lewis
On Friday 16 Dec 2011 15:37:01 Ralf Madorf wrote: > The Internet anonymity is grotesque, it's like talking to a chatbot like > ELIZA (Weizenbaum is one of my idols :). Did you note that most Linux users > use their real names :)? > > This is more important for me than thinking about top and bottom

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Magnus Therning
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 03:17, gt wrote: > Hello folks, i'll probably get flamed for reviving a very controversial, > yet consistently brought up topic. > > I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone > points out to someone that top posting is bad. > > I was off the list

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Sebastian Schwarz
On 2011-12-16 at 11:16 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > I agree. > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > > (...) > > > > My favourite option is to have someone with admin access to > > the list (e.g. me...) just unsubscribe anyone who top posts. Agreeing to unsubscribing top poste

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 16.12.2011 04:47, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > Yeah lets all just spam fuck gmail devs because they won't add a automatic > bottom posting feature. > > Seriously... > > +++ > > Since I'm uncertain how to handle incoming emails in the future I still use > my providers M$ thingy. I prefer bottom po

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread G. Schlisio
Am 16.12.2011 15:41, schrieb Gaetan Bisson: > [2011-12-16 14:51:43 +0100] G. Schlisio: >> for me, top posting seemed to save scrolling time, and everything >> included after the reply i regarded as a reference for remembering >> discussion on the topic. > Did you see the movie "Memento"? > >> man,

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2011-12-16 14:51:43 +0100] G. Schlisio: > for me, top posting seemed to save scrolling time, and everything > included after the reply i regarded as a reference for remembering > discussion on the topic. Did you see the movie "Memento"? > man, i cant think of something more stupid… Well, do you

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Ralf Madorf
> On 12/16/2011 04:59, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > i mean, people don't act the same way with their own family vs. > > the internet allows for obscene levels of > > anonymity that simply *cannot* exist in traditional/direct > > communication We are humans so it's not bad if we misbehave, act li

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 14:51 +0100, G. Schlisio wrote: > > Am 16.12.2011 11:20, schrieb Allan McRae: > > On 16/12/11 12:17, gt wrote: > > > > [snip] > > My favourite option is to have someone with admin access to the list > > (e.g. me...) just unsubscribe anyone who top posts. > > > > Allan > > > r

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread G. Schlisio
Am 16.12.2011 11:20, schrieb Allan McRae: On 16/12/11 12:17, gt wrote: I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone points out to someone that top posting is bad. I was off the list for a while, and now when i came back, the story is still the same. And your email has

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 11:33 +0200, Rogutės Sparnuotos wrote: > [snip] > I have tried reading some of your messages in the last days, but it was > too difficult to understand who you are talking with, what you are > replying to and what do multiple lines of "+++" mean. Thought I'd simply > ignore th

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense
On 12/16/2011 04:59, C Anthony Risinger wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: On 12/16/2011 02:03, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. wrote: I don't really think that people put any conscious thought into if they should top or bottom post. A majority of mail clients and

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Jude DaShiell
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > -Original Message- > From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Calvin Morrison > Sent: Fri 12/16/2011 04:21 > To: General Discussion about Arch Linux > Subject: Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited > > On 1

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Piyush P Kurur
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 08:20:42PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > And your email has changed the world and we will not see a repeat of > this in the future. Hooray! > > > My favourite option is to have someone with admin access to the list > (e.g. me...) just unsubscribe anyone who top posts. > I

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Rafa Griman
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 16/12/11 12:17, gt wrote: [...] > My favourite option is to have someone with admin access to the list > (e.g. me...) just unsubscribe anyone who top posts. Power corrupts, absolute power ... is even more fun :D Rafa

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:19:59 +0100 "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > I don't really think that people put any conscious thought into if they > should top or bottom post. That is the real issue and banning top-posting solves most problems but can actually cost a reader time in some cases. Do unto others a

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
I agree. On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 16/12/11 12:17, gt wrote: >> I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone >> points out to someone that top posting is bad. >> >> I was off the list for a while, and now when i came back, the story is >> st

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Allan McRae
On 16/12/11 12:17, gt wrote: > I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone > points out to someone that top posting is bad. > > I was off the list for a while, and now when i came back, the story is > still the same. And your email has changed the world and we will not se

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Sérgio Lenzi
On 16/12/2011, at 06:19, Rafa Griman wrote: > > There are other reasons I've seen: > - people that use "smart" phones have a limited screen size and > it's "easier" to top post. > - from a behavioural point of view, people follow these steps: > 1.- read the whole mail >

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Rogutės Sparnuotos
Ralf Mardorf (2011-12-16 04:47): > -Original Message- > From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Calvin Morrison > Sent: Fri 12/16/2011 04:21 > To: General Discussion about Arch Linux > Subject: Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited Your "M$ thingy

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Rafa Griman
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > -Original Message- > From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. > Sent: Fri 12/16/2011 05:03 > > I don't really think that people put any conscious thought into if they > should top or bottom post. A m

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-16 Thread Rafa Griman
HI :) On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > -Original Message- > From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Calvin Morrison > Sent: Fri 12/16/2011 04:21 > To: General Discussion about Arch Linux > Subject: Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisite

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: > On 12/16/2011 02:03, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. wrote: >> >> I don't really think that people put any conscious thought into if they >> should top or bottom post. A majority of mail clients and >> the aforementioned Gmail default to to

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense
On 12/16/2011 02:03, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. wrote: I don't really think that people put any conscious thought into if they should top or bottom post. A majority of mail clients and the aforementioned Gmail default to top posting. What I would like to know is why is this the common practice. Obvio

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2011-12-16 04:47:14 +0100] Ralf Mardorf: > Do we really need rules and rules and rules? We don't. But it's not just about you writing messages the way you want: it's about other people being able to read them conveniently, especially you expect them to consider the points you are making or questi

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Ray Rashif
When in a private correspondence, regardless of the number of participants, the context is probably known and thus there is no need to read previous replies. I would reply like this, because I only care about what you and I are talking about at this point of time - there is no need for any referenc

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
-Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. Sent: Fri 12/16/2011 05:03 I don't really think that people put any conscious thought into if they should top or bottom post. A majority of mail clients and the aforementioned Gmail default to t

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
I don't really think that people put any conscious thought into if they should top or bottom post. A majority of mail clients and the aforementioned Gmail default to top posting. What I would like to know is why is this the common practice. Obviously, people on forums and mailing lists like everyth

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Alex Liu
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Auguste Pop wrote: > i'm not sure how the script works. i went to the link you gave and hit > the install button. i closed all chromium instances and opened the > browser again. still, bottom posting is not automatic. Might be a Chromium issue. I'm on Firefox v3.

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Auguste Pop
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Alex Liu wrote: > However, there exists a bottom posting script for Greasemonkey if you > want to check that out. > http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/35866 > An according lab feature has been suggested some time ago in the Gmail > group, but as of no there has b

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
-Original Message- From: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org on behalf of Calvin Morrison Sent: Fri 12/16/2011 04:21 To: General Discussion about Arch Linux Subject: Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited On 15 December 2011 22:07, Sander Jansen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Alex Liu
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Kazuo Teramoto wrote: > Part of the whole 'bottom posting' thing is about *reading* and > *thinking* about the reply and not *automatic* replying to a message. This. I think it's not about if the reply is above or below whatever you quote but because a full quot

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Madhurya Kakati
On Dec 16, 2011 9:06 AM, "Kazuo Teramoto" wrote: > > On 2011-12-16T01:21:22, Calvin Morrison wrote: > >Yeah lets all just spam fuck gmail devs because they won't add a automatic > >bottom posting feature. > > > > I don't think this is a solution. > > Part of the whole 'bottom posting' thing is abo

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Kazuo Teramoto
On 2011-12-16T01:21:22, Calvin Morrison wrote: >Yeah lets all just spam fuck gmail devs because they won't add a automatic >bottom posting feature. > I don't think this is a solution. Part of the whole 'bottom posting' thing is about *reading* and *thinking* about the reply and not *automatic* re

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 15 December 2011 22:07, Sander Jansen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:17 PM, gt wrote: > > Hello folks, i'll probably get flamed for reviving a very controversial, > > yet consistently brought up topic. > > > > I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone > > points

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Sander Jansen
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:17 PM, gt wrote: > Hello folks, i'll probably get flamed for reviving a very controversial, > yet consistently brought up topic. > > I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone > points out to someone that top posting is bad. > > I was off the lis

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:17 AM, gt wrote: > Hello folks, i'll probably get flamed for reviving a very controversial, > yet consistently brought up topic. I think it is very pertinent. I'll start a similar post in archlinux-br. > I suggest all of the top-posting haters should including one of t

Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited

2011-12-15 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 15 December 2011 21:17, gt wrote: > Hello folks, i'll probably get flamed for reviving a very controversial, > yet consistently brought up topic. > > I have seen a similar thread last year, and every other day, someone > points out to someone that top posting is bad. > > I was off the list for

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Michishige Kaito
El 06/03/2010 13:06, Nilesh Govindarajan escribió: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Michishige Kaitowrote: El 06/03/2010 11:53, Nilesh Govindarajan escribió: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Chris Hoeppner wrote: On 06/03/10 11:23, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:13

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:36 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Michishige Kaito > wrote: > > You can disable the "copy to sent" in Thunderbird, which would probably > > solve the problem you describe about "double traffic". I use the spanish > > version of TB, so t

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Michishige Kaito wrote: > El 06/03/2010 11:53, Nilesh Govindarajan escribió: > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Chris Hoeppner> >wrote: >> >> On 06/03/10 11:23, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Chris Hoeppner>>> > wrote: >>>

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Michishige Kaito
El 06/03/2010 11:53, Nilesh Govindarajan escribió: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Chris Hoeppnerwrote: On 06/03/10 11:23, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Chris Hoeppner wrote: On 06/03/10 10:30, Xavier Chantry wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Daniel

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Chris Hoeppner wrote: > On 06/03/10 11:23, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Chris Hoeppner> >wrote: >> >> On 06/03/10 10:30, Xavier Chantry wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote:

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Chris Hoeppner
On 06/03/10 11:23, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Chris Hoeppnerwrote: On 06/03/10 10:30, Xavier Chantry wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote: I use mutt with a nifty little binding that automagically jumps to the last

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Chris Hoeppner wrote: > On 06/03/10 10:30, Xavier Chantry wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I use mutt with a nifty little binding that automagically jumps to the >>> last >>> blank line in the file wh

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Chris Hoeppner
On 06/03/10 10:30, Xavier Chantry wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote: I use mutt with a nifty little binding that automagically jumps to the last blank line in the file when it opens a message for reply :P -- Well with mutt you can use a decent tex

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote: > > I use mutt with a nifty little binding that automagically jumps to the last > blank line in the file when it opens a message for reply :P > -- > Well with mutt you can use a decent text editor which will allow you do that

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-06 Thread Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227)
On 03/06/10 at 11:34am, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:53 AM, gt wrote: > > > People using gmail's web interface are not likely to notice any problem > > with > > top or bottom posting, since gmail collapses the quoted text. but when we > > use a mail client, then we see th

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-05 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:53 AM, gt wrote: > People using gmail's web interface are not likely to notice any problem > with > top or bottom posting, since gmail collapses the quoted text. but when we > use a mail client, then we see the difference. > > Source: Personal experience. After reading a

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-05 Thread gt
People using gmail's web interface are not likely to notice any problem with top or bottom posting, since gmail collapses the quoted text. but when we use a mail client, then we see the difference. Source: Personal experience. After reading a lot about posting style on this mailing list, i decided

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 05.03.2010 18:28, schrieb Giovanni Scafora: > 2010/3/4, Juan Diego : >> Hello listmates, >> >> is there any special reason of why top-posting is a bad thing? > > Is not the RFC1855 [1] a special reason for you? > See 3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews > > [1] http://tools.

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-05 Thread Giovanni Scafora
2010/3/4, Juan Diego : > Hello listmates, > > is there any special reason of why top-posting is a bad thing? Is not the RFC1855 [1] a special reason for you? See 3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 -- Arch Linux Developer http://www.ar

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-05 Thread Felipe Tanus
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > Top posting doesn't solve this, unless you're implying top posting > with no previous messages trimmed. If this is what you're implying you > need to compare apples-to-apples and assume the bottom-posted emails > will have no previous messa

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-05 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Denis Kobozev wrote: > Bottom posting shows its downside only when you recently joined a > mailing list, for example - you start receiving emails from threads > that have been going for a long time and you have no idea what people > are discussing. But if you're rea

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-04 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Denis Kobozev wrote: > > Bottom posting shows its downside only when you recently joined a > mailing list, for example - you start receiving emails from threads > that have been going for a long time and you have no idea what people > are discussing. But if you're

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-04 Thread Denis Kobozev
The only advantage of top posting I can think of is that it enables you to forward the entire chain of emails to a new person with one click. You could, of course, bottom post and keep the entire chain in each email, but it's probably even worse than top posting, since you would have to scroll thro

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-04 Thread Linas
Aaron Griffin wrote: However, this is a mailing list. Not everyone is aware of the "state" of the list at any given time. It's best to bottom post and only reference relevant material so that even someone coming upon the 15th email in a chain is able to read just that email and understand it for

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-04 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Patrick Burroughs wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 23:31, Juan Diego wrote: >> Hello listmates, >> >> is there any special reason of why top-posting is a bad thing? > > To be clichéd... > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q:

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-04 Thread sand_man
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:36:13 +0900 Juan Diego wrote: > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) > wrote: > > On 03/03/10 at 11:36pm, Patrick Burroughs wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 23:31, Juan Diego > >> wrote: > >> > Hello listmates, > >> > > >> > is there any special

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-04 Thread Juan Diego
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote: > On 03/03/10 at 11:36pm, Patrick Burroughs wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 23:31, Juan Diego wrote: >> > Hello listmates, >> > >> > is there any special reason of why top-posting is a bad thing? >> >> To be clichéd... >> >> A

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-03 Thread Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227)
On 03/03/10 at 11:36pm, Patrick Burroughs wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 23:31, Juan Diego wrote: > > Hello listmates, > > > > is there any special reason of why top-posting is a bad thing? > > To be clichéd... > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why i

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2010-03-03 Thread Patrick Burroughs
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 23:31, Juan Diego wrote: > Hello listmates, > > is there any special reason of why top-posting is a bad thing? To be clichéd... A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread Marc Deop i Argemí
On Tuesday 20 May 2008 23:55:38 Mordechai Peller wrote: > Like with firing a gun, it depends on the context. Yeah, well, while reading your email: "Why yes, I just so happened to be holding the gun and pulling the trigger when it went off. But honestly, it was the gun's fault. If the manufact

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: It is obvious that you are doing something wrong whenever you shot a gun but not when you use a mail client and you top-post. Of course it is not the same "wrong" but my point was about the *knowledge*. Like with firing a gun, it depends on the context. Just as I cou

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread Marc Deop i Argemí
On Tuesday 20 May 2008 10:33:16 eliott wrote: > How do I shot email? Is this a joke or what? It is obvious that you are doing something wrong whenever you shot a gun but not when you use a mail client and you top-post. Of course it is not the same "wrong" but my point was about the *knowledge*

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:52 AM, jason maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:43 AM, RedShift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I guess you don't like HTML email as well :-( > > Neither did Hitler's Nazi regime. > Ok, ok, you win this round. But it was a willful invocation o

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread w9ya
> On 5/20/08, Marc Deop i Argemí <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 03:08:14 Mordechai Peller wrote: >> > "Why yes, I just so happened to be holding the gun and pulling the >> trigger when it went off. But honestly, it was the gun's fault. If >> the manufacture hadn't designed

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread jason maxwell
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:43 AM, RedShift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess you *don't* like HTML email as well :-( > Neither did Hitler's Nazi regime.

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread RedShift
I guess you don't like HTML email as well :-( Xavier wrote: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html What about using a consistent style, at least for one given ML? arch-general is really painful to read sometimes. Thanks!

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread RedShift
I guess you /don't/ like HTML email as well :-( Xavier wrote: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html What about using a consistent style, at least for one given ML? arch-general is really painful to read sometimes. Thanks!

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread eliott
On 5/20/08, Marc Deop i Argemí <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 20 May 2008 03:08:14 Mordechai Peller wrote: > > "Why yes, I just so happened to be holding the gun and pulling the > > trigger when it went off. But honestly, it was the gun's fault. If the > > manufacture hadn't designed th

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-20 Thread Marc Deop i Argemí
On Tuesday 20 May 2008 03:08:14 Mordechai Peller wrote: > "Why yes, I just so happened to be holding the gun and pulling the > trigger when it went off. But honestly, it was the gun's fault. If the > manufacture hadn't designed the gun to fire the bullet, none of this > would ever have happened."

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Xavier
Aaron Griffin wrote: I stopped paying attention days ago. *mark-as-read*. This is a technical list, thus inline or bottom posting is preferred. It's a fact. There doesn't even need to be a discussion. It wasn't my intention to start a discussion, I didn't want that thread to grow that big. I

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread eliott
I thought this whole thread was tongue in cheek (read: A giant purposeful joke). I missed the first serveral emails in this thread, and didn't even realize people were actually being serious until i (just now) read the replies after my original email. Then I laughed. On 5/19/08, Aaron Griffin <[EM

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As has been stated, this has already gotten too involved, but one I stopped paying attention days ago. *mark-as-read*. This is a technical list, thus inline or bottom posting is preferred. It's a fact. There doesn't even need to b

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Scott
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 04:08:14AM +0300, Mordechai Peller wrote: > Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: > >We might argue if it's a mail client's fault or user's > "Why yes, I just so happened to be holding the gun and pulling the trigger > when > it went off. But honestly, it was the gun's fault. If the m

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: We might argue if it's a mail client's fault or user's "Why yes, I just so happened to be holding the gun and pulling the trigger when it went off. But honestly, it was the gun's fault. If the manufacture hadn't designed the gun to fire the bullet, none of this would

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
David Rosenstrauch wrote: And similarly, I find bottom posting a bit annoying, as I'm often forced to scroll down to read what the most recent commenter wrote. (Though, obviously, that's really an outgrowth of bottom-posters violating the "trimming" rule, rather than a problem with bottom-pos

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Marc Deop i Argemí
On Thursday 15 May 2008 21:21:21 Xavier wrote: > http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html > > What about using a consistent style, at least for one given ML? > arch-general is really painful to read sometimes. > > Thanks! Well, as far as my research has lead me to, the answer is here: RFC 1

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And then theres also html emails. I wonder if there is easy way to not > accept non plain text emails. I know some lists have that feature. HTML emails are an abomination. I think mailman lets me block them. I can fin

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Jon Kristian Nilsen
See? On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 08:57:44PM +, Jon Kristian Nilsen wrote: > >My point being, and I see your point, but there will be > >More people coming to this list who doesn't know about that rule, and >

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 08:57:44PM +, Jon Kristian Nilsen wrote: >My point being, and I see your point, but there will be >More people coming to this list who doesn't know about that rule, and >forcing this upon users would imho be a painfull experience. >Mailclients do this in

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Jon Kristian Nilsen
My point being, and I see your point, but there will be More people coming to this list who doesn't know about that rule, and forcing this upon users would imho be a painfull experience. Mailclients do this in different ways, and I don't think all old/new users will be taking it to their attention.

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Arvid Ephraim Picciani
On Monday 19 May 2008 22:30:12 Xavier wrote: > If you follow the rule, then you should to same here on this ML. > If you don't, you die. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22died+in+a+top+posting+accident%22 mhm -- best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen Arvid Ephraim Picciani

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Xavier
Jon Kristian Nilsen wrote: I blame email clients, not the poster. I blame both. What's your point? If you had to use a british car in France, on which side of the road would you drive? If you follow the rule, then you should to same here on this ML. If you don't, you die.

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Jon Kristian Nilsen
I blame email clients, not the poster. On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 7:57 PM, jason maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] >> Personally I don't really care that much which way people post, but as >> there's a good number of very vocal "bottom posting police" :-) types in the >> FOSS community tha

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread jason maxwell
> > [snip] > Personally I don't really care that much which way people post, but as > there's a good number of very vocal "bottom posting police" :-) types in the > FOSS community that often raise a ruckus when you top post, I generally just > try to conform and bottom post in the interests of keep

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread David Rosenstrauch
Jon B wrote: I'll be the weird one and admit that I find top-postings to be easier to read. But just because I like all of you, I'll type way down here. :) -jb You're not the only weird one. To me, the most recent comments are what's most important, and if I'm interested in the background t

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread eliott
I tend to post all over the place. On 5/19/08, Callan Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > THIS THREAD IS HILARIOUS! I agree.

Re: [arch-general] top posting

2008-05-19 Thread Callan Barrett
THIS THREAD IS HILARIOUS! On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 07:57:03AM +0200, Xavier wrote: >> Jon B wrote: > > >> ...some people top posting even in the same thread) made it harder to >> read. >> >> That said, we indeed have to pick one..

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