On Oct 2, 2012 7:15 PM, "nailz" wrote:
>
> On 3 October 2012 00:18, Your Real Name wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:29:38PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> > > On 01/10/12 20:23, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 AM, gt wrote:
> > > >> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:49:05AM
On 3 October 2012 00:18, Your Real Name wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:29:38PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> > On 01/10/12 20:23, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 AM, gt wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:49:05AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> > >>> On 01/10/12 11:21,
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:29:38PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 01/10/12 20:23, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 AM, gt wrote:
> >> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:49:05AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> >>> On 01/10/12 11:21, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
> Authoritarian and despoti
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 01/10/12 20:23, Jorge Almeida wrote:
>>
>> ("The life of Brian", anyone? The lapidation sketch? Oops again: I hope
>>
>
> Lapidation fails when I can just punish everyone... I am more than
> happy to just close the list again.
>
In the lap
On 01/10/12 20:23, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 AM, gt wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:49:05AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
>>> On 01/10/12 11:21, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
Authoritarian and despotic.
My ban, please.
>>>
>>> Done... and for two weeks be
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 AM, gt wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:49:05AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
>> On 01/10/12 11:21, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
>> > Authoritarian and despotic.
>> >
>> > My ban, please.
>> >
>>
>> Done... and for two weeks because I had to look up what despotic meant.
>
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:49:05AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 01/10/12 11:21, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
> > Authoritarian and despotic.
> >
> > My ban, please.
> >
>
> Done... and for two weeks because I had to look up what despotic meant.
lol, always keep a dictionary handy. May I suggest
On 01/10/12 11:21, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
> On 29-09-2012 20:41, Allan McRae wrote:
>> On 30/09/12 09:32, Heiko Baums wrote:
>>> schrieb Martín Cigorraga :
>>
>>
>> The replies by Martin and Heiko had not technical aspect and were not
>> asking for help. Both accounts are banned for one week.
On 29-09-2012 20:41, Allan McRae wrote:
On 30/09/12 09:32, Heiko Baums wrote:
schrieb Martín Cigorraga :
The replies by Martin and Heiko had not technical aspect and were not
asking for help. Both accounts are banned for one week.
Allan
Authoritarian and despotic.
My ban, please.
Ar
On 30/09/12 09:32, Heiko Baums wrote:
> schrieb Martín Cigorraga :
The replies by Martin and Heiko had not technical aspect and were not
asking for help. Both accounts are banned for one week.
Allan
Am Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:54:04 -0300
schrieb Martín Cigorraga :
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Heiko Baums
> wrote:
>
> > Heiko
> >
>
>
> Most of the time is not what you say but rather how you say it - your
> tone. The Frenchs have a saying for that: "The tone makes to the
> song" or in its
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Heiko
>
Most of the time is not what you say but rather how you say it - your tone.
The Frenchs have a saying for that: "The tone makes to the song" or in its
original: "C'est le ton qui fait la chanson".
On 26/09/12 20:39, Heiko Baums wrote:
> See also Denis' blog to which he sent a link in his last e-mail.
Fact checking needed especially since it was the developer you
were replying to whose blog post that actually was.
Allan
Am Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:28:20 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler :
> This is not about opinions at all.
No, this is about opinions. Well, not only about opinions, also or
rather about personal experience.
> Everything useful that is to say about this topic has been said. All
> that can be added are fla
On 26/09/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
| Double standards, considering what can only be described as anti
| anti-systemd users sending more 100% pointless and inflammatory mails
| and first with no threats of being top or part of the rediculous idea of
| a block list.
Nah, I'm just a fanboy apparentl
Am 22.09.2012 16:20, schrieb Heiko Baums:
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:06:28 +0200
> schrieb Thomas Bächler :
>
>> After the recent outbreaks, we have been discussing banning people
>> from arch-general. At the time, the people we talked about had calmed
>> down and everything went back to normal, so
> It takes two to tango. Perhaps you need a reminder of the fair and
> balanced critique Heiko initially offered, based on a package in
> [testing], that has not made it to [core]:
>
> https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-September/031151.html
Double standards, considering wh
On 25/09/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
| If a "troll" would write something stupid about any other software, from
| any other coder, this never ever would cause such a useless and long
| thread. It needs "fans" to continue nothing.
It takes two to tango. Perhaps you need a reminder of the fair and
bala
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 17:26 +0200, G. Schlisio wrote:
> please stop it altogether. this leads nowhere.
Heiko, 13 mails, including the replies to the mails of the others.
Others, 46 mails.
Don't blame a single person.
Useful input regarding to the subject, perhaps around 2 mails?
If a "troll" woul
Am 25.09.2012 16:59, schrieb Simon Perry:
On 25/09/12, Felipe Contreras wrote:
| There's a difference between using a strong tone, and being a troll.
|
| Using that definition, Linus Torvalds is a troll on the LKML. I disagree.
The Linux kernel has never had a bug that has resulted in an
un-bo
On 25/09/12, Felipe Contreras wrote:
| There's a difference between using a strong tone, and being a troll.
|
| Using that definition, Linus Torvalds is a troll on the LKML. I disagree.
The Linux kernel has never had a bug that has resulted in an
un-bootable system. So as Heiko says, that is why
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:28:40 -0300
> schrieb Denis A. Altoé Falqueto :
>
>> How long will we have to endure such nonsense? Heiko, you hijacked a
>> thread just to tell your opinion, which everyone already know from
>> your previous posts. And,
Heiko Baums baums-on-web.de> writes:
> "Hey, I don't like him and his opinion. So admins, ban him." Is it
> this what you want to say?
Using sarcasm like you did in your first message of this thread, and using words
like "Poetterix" and "fanboys" is not stating an option. It's trolling. Also,
hi
Am Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:28:40 -0300
schrieb Denis A. Altoé Falqueto :
> How long will we have to endure such nonsense? Heiko, you hijacked a
> thread just to tell your opinion, which everyone already know from
> your previous posts. And, please, don't reply to me. I don't care.
>
> Thomas, wasn't
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:35:47 +0200
> schrieb Øyvind Heggstad :
>
>> Don't worry, you are not at fault in any way here, the systemd
>> hateboy(z)/fudspreader(s) are.
>
> Wrong. The systemd fanboys who want to force this crap on everybody
> else
Am Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:35:47 +0200
schrieb Øyvind Heggstad :
> Don't worry, you are not at fault in any way here, the systemd
> hateboy(z)/fudspreader(s) are.
Wrong. The systemd fanboys who want to force this crap on everybody
else are. The "fudspreaders", as you call them, have already made thei
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:52:54 +0900
Zhengyu Xu wrote:
> Hi Allan,
>
> Thank you very much for the link as well as the removal of systemd
> i686 from testing repo. Sorry for generating some unnecessary noise
> in this list.
>
> Best regards,
> Z.
>
Don't worry, you are not at fault in any way h
> However, no one
> expected bugs never to happen in testing. It happens in all software,
> from the kernel up.
That's true however pid1 was designed to minimise this, systemd seems
the opposite with no regard to this. Most OS's install multiple kernels
to fall back on, I guess the same is now tr
> ... but i think we all agree openssl is worth keeping around, yes?
> such exceedingly high standards of "quality" and "stability" are
> simply unrealistic.
>
That all depends on your time to implement new functionality
requirements.
> systemd works pretty awesome for everything i've thrown at i
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Tino Reichardt wrote:
> * Heiko Baums wrote:
>> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:15:16 +0200
>> schrieb fredbezies :
>>
>> > Don't you read the *important* word : testing ! Are you blind ?
>>
>> I read that. And what goes into [testing]? Yes! Bingo! Software version
>> whic
* Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:15:16 +0200
> schrieb fredbezies :
>
> > Don't you read the *important* word : testing ! Are you blind ?
>
> I read that. And what goes into [testing]? Yes! Bingo! Software version
> which are released by upstream as *stable*. So yes, upstream was
>
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Hi Heiko,
>
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
>> Why am I not surprised?
>
> Why should you be? I'm not. I don't think anyone finds it surprising
> that software has bugs, or that actively developed software has the
> occ
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 02:21:28PM +0530, gt wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:19:42AM +0200, Tom Rand wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:18:52AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
> > > Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:11:12 +0200
> > > schrieb fredbezies :
> > >
> > > > I was fed up by the crap of the origina
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:19:42AM +0200, Tom Rand wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:18:52AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
> > Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:11:12 +0200
> > schrieb fredbezies :
> >
> > > I was fed up by the crap of the original poster. So I said what need
> > > to be written, even if it wa
Hi Heiko,
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Why am I not surprised?
Why should you be? I'm not. I don't think anyone finds it surprising
that software has bugs, or that actively developed software has the
occasional regression. It will happen from time to time, even with
syst
>
>
> way to go with kicking up a freeking troll fest!
>
>
>
LOL!
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:18:52AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:11:12 +0200
> schrieb fredbezies :
>
> > I was fed up by the crap of the original poster. So I said what need
> > to be written, even if it was a little hard.
> >
> > I will remove myself from this list, because
> > On 22 September 2012 16:20, Heiko Baums wrote:
> > > And, btw., instead of threatening and banning people with different
> > > opinions you rather should take their criticisms serious and take
> > > them as an incentive to improve Arch Linux and to make it better
> > > instead of worse.
> >
Am Samstag, den 22.09.2012, 15:41 +0100 schrieb P .NIKOLIC:
>
> Please explain just who has trolled .. i saw an opinion about systemd
> thats about all ..
>
> Pete
Don't troll with such a question ;)
--
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:22:06 +0200
Alexandre Ferrando wrote:
> On 22 September 2012 16:20, Heiko Baums wrote:
> > And, btw., instead of threatening and banning people with different
> > opinions you rather should take their criticisms serious and take
> > them as an incentive to improve Arch Lin
On 22 September 2012 16:20, Heiko Baums wrote:
> And, btw., instead of threatening and banning people with different
> opinions you rather should take their criticisms serious and take them
> as an incentive to improve Arch Linux and to make it better instead of
> worse.
>
> Heiko
They're not goi
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:06:28 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler :
> After the recent outbreaks, we have been discussing banning people
> from arch-general. At the time, the people we talked about had calmed
> down and everything went back to normal, so there was no point in
> going forward with it. Howe
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:06:28 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler :
> After the recent outbreaks, we have been discussing banning people
> from arch-general. At the time, the people we talked about had calmed
> down and everything went back to normal, so there was no point in
> going forward with it. Howe
Am 22.09.2012 10:07, schrieb Heiko Baums:
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:09:02 +0900
> schrieb Zhengyu Xu :
>
>> After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
>> messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
>>
>> [ 10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp
> And now you have them. Did you have even one totally unbootable system
> with sysvinit and initscripts? I doubt that.
That's true, you could almost always use init=/bin/ksh|/bin/zsh etc. and
have a largely usable system, more so than the in-built busybox but as
the reason is unclear at the momen
Hi Allan,
Thank you very much for the link as well as the removal of systemd i686
from testing repo. Sorry for generating some unnecessary noise in this
list.
Best regards,
Z.
On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 21:40 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 22/09/12 21:39, Øyvind Heggstad wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Sep 20
On 22/09/12 21:39, Øyvind Heggstad wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:37:26 +0900
> Zhengyu Xu wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 12:00 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
>>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Zhengyu Xu
>>> wrote:
>>>
Dear all,
After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:37:26 +0900
Zhengyu Xu wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 12:00 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Zhengyu Xu
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
> > > messages during booting a
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 06:26:36 -0300
Martín Cigorraga wrote:
> READ THIS:
>
> please stop trolling on this list.
> > this is very disturbing and already resultet in devs unsubscribing
> > from this list.
> >
>
>
> READ IT AGAIN:
>
>
> > please stop trolling on this list.
> > this is very dist
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:18:49 +1000
Allan McRae wrote:
> On 22/09/12 18:07, Heiko Baums wrote:
> > Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:09:02 +0900
> > schrieb Zhengyu Xu :
> >
> >> After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
> >> messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed)
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:52:53 +0530, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:17:31 +0200
fredbezies wrote:
Let's dump every single technology younger the original unix one. This
is better. You're a troll, nothing less.
/me unsuscribe. Fed up with your crap and your lies.
Please do, b
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:28:58 +0200
schrieb "G. Schlisio" :
> its ok to tell your opinion, thats not what i mean with trolling.
> impertinent exclamations and unconstructive i-always-told-you
> allegations do not help anyone to solve the problem.
Oh, this can indeed help. And why shouldn't I tell
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:24:09 +0200
schrieb Sven-Hendrik Haase :
> Doesn't seem to be possible with Heiko around. Since nobody seems
> happy with banning him, I'm also unsubscribing.
So you want to have me banned because you don't like my opinions and
experiences, and you don't like that I'm sayin
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:
>
> Doesn't seem to be possible with Heiko around. Since nobody seems happy
> with banning him, I'm also unsubscribing.
>
Hey come on, cool down, what would be of us, mere n00bs? Come on O_O
Am 22.09.2012 11:14, schrieb Heiko Baums:
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:00:59 +0200
schrieb "G. Schlisio" :
please stop trolling on this list.
this is very disturbing and already resultet in devs unsubscribing
from this list.
Sorry, but this is not trolling. This is just telling that I told it
before
READ THIS:
please stop trolling on this list.
> this is very disturbing and already resultet in devs unsubscribing from
> this list.
>
READ IT AGAIN:
> please stop trolling on this list.
> this is very disturbing and already resultet in devs unsubscribing from
> this list.
>
GOTCHA?
If you'
On 22.09.2012 11:22, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:17:31 +0200
> fredbezies wrote:
>
>> Let's dump every single technology younger the original unix one. This
>> is better. You're a troll, nothing less.
>>
>> /me unsuscribe. Fed up with your crap and your lies.
> Please do, becau
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:17:31 +0200
fredbezies wrote:
> Let's dump every single technology younger the original unix one. This
> is better. You're a troll, nothing less.
>
> /me unsuscribe. Fed up with your crap and your lies.
Please do, because just in a few minutes of posting scatological and
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:11:12 +0200
schrieb fredbezies :
> I was fed up by the crap of the original poster. So I said what need
> to be written, even if it was a little hard.
>
> I will remove myself from this list, because it is no more than crap
> because of systemd haters.
Oh, other people's o
2012/9/22 Heiko Baums :
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:00:59 +0200
> schrieb "G. Schlisio" :
>
>> please stop trolling on this list.
>> this is very disturbing and already resultet in devs unsubscribing
>> from this list.
>
> Sorry, but this is not trolling. This is just telling that I told it
> before,
2012/9/22 Heiko Baums :
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:52:10 +0200
> schrieb fredbezies :
>
>> Just use another distribution.
>
> Do you think before you write? What exactly does this have to do with
> the distribution?
And you too ? Every single distribution will face this problem soon. A
lot of them w
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:00:59 +0200
schrieb "G. Schlisio" :
> please stop trolling on this list.
> this is very disturbing and already resultet in devs unsubscribing
> from this list.
Sorry, but this is not trolling. This is just telling that I told it
before, when almost everybody laughed at me a
2012/9/22 Jorge Almeida :
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:52 AM, fredbezies wrote:
>> 2012/9/22 Heiko Baums :
>>
>>> You don't consider that I'm not against new software and new versions,
>>> but I'm against crap.
>>>
>>
>> So you should do a brain surgery quickly.
>
> Is this kind of behavior accepta
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:52:01 +1000
schrieb Allan McRae :
> Yes. A bash update in [testing] resulted in unbootable systems. I
> thought you were around then... maybe it just feels that long.
I never used [testing] except for once when I started with Arch. Yes, I
once had a serious issue why I s
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:52:10 +0200
schrieb fredbezies :
> Just use another distribution.
Do you think before you write? What exactly does this have to do with
the distribution?
Maybe I even would use another distribution if you tell me one Arch
like binary distribution which doesn't and never wi
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:52 AM, fredbezies wrote:
> 2012/9/22 Heiko Baums :
>
>> You don't consider that I'm not against new software and new versions,
>> but I'm against crap.
>>
>
> So you should do a brain surgery quickly.
Is this kind of behavior acceptable in a half-civilized environment? T
Am 22.09.2012 10:07, schrieb Heiko Baums:
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:09:02 +0900
schrieb Zhengyu Xu :
After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
[ 10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb0ece8
erro
2012/9/22 Heiko Baums :
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:15:16 +0200
> schrieb fredbezies :
>
>> Don't you read the *important* word : testing ! Are you blind ?
>
> I read that. And what goes into [testing]? Yes! Bingo! Software version
> which are released by upstream as *stable*. So yes, upstream was
> s
On 22/09/12 18:42, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:18:49 +1000
> schrieb Allan McRae :
>
>> Medical condition?
>
> I'm very fine. Thanks.
>
> Do I really need to say PulseAudio and Lennart Poettering? And do I
> really need to say "made my own experiences" (with PA and systemd,
> btw
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:15:16 +0200
schrieb fredbezies :
> Don't you read the *important* word : testing ! Are you blind ?
I read that. And what goes into [testing]? Yes! Bingo! Software version
which are released by upstream as *stable*. So yes, upstream was
supposed to have this tested before it
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:18:49 +1000
schrieb Allan McRae :
> Medical condition?
I'm very fine. Thanks.
Do I really need to say PulseAudio and Lennart Poettering? And do I
really need to say "made my own experiences" (with PA and systemd,
btw.).
> Because we have never had unbootable systems due t
On 22/09/12 18:07, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:09:02 +0900
> schrieb Zhengyu Xu :
>
>> After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
>> messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
>>
>> [ 10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb
2012/9/22 Heiko Baums :
> Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:09:02 +0900
> schrieb Zhengyu Xu :
>
>> After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
>> messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
>>
>> [ 10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb0ece8
>> error
Am Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:09:02 +0900
schrieb Zhengyu Xu :
> After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
> messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
>
> [ 10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb0ece8
> error 4 in libc-2.16.so[b752a000+1a4000
On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 12:00 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Zhengyu Xu wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
> > messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
> >
> > [ 10.539416] systemd[1]: se
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Zhengyu Xu wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
> messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
>
> [ 10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb0ece8 error
> 4 in libc-2.16.so[b752a
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