On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:19:00AM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > For all its faults, being incapabel of giving you a boot
> > time advantage is _not_ one of them.
>
> Yes, that's *in theory*, but in practice that's not what I see, and I
> already investigated the culprit:
It's more like "if
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:23:33PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> > So it's only needs twice the time with only on third of the ticks? Well
>> > that is awesome... Yeah to systemd!
>>
>> systemd is much more complicated, a
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:31:19PM -0400, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> You are being pedantic. A 2 second difference is negligible, and certainly
> not the huge issue you are making it out to be.
It's not negligible in computing terms. It can matter but plan A
is usually for your boot time to be imma
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:23:33PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > So it's only needs twice the time with only on third of the ticks? Well
> > that is awesome... Yeah to systemd!
>
> systemd is much more complicated, and requires many more tricks.
>
Please remember: I hate systemd.
I have se
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyway we are talking about 2 seconds...
>
> We are talking about a difference of 100%.
>
> --
> Felipe Contreras
>
You are being pedantic. A 2 second difference is negligible, and certainly
not the huge iss
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Sebastian Günther wrote:
> * Felipe Contreras (felipe.contre...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 02:22]:
>> Funny that you say "around the same time", when it's clearly less than
>> 6 seconds, so it's 15% slower, but that's the second instance of kdm.
>> The first instance st
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Sebastian Günther wrote:
> * Felipe Contreras (felipe.contre...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 02:22]:
>> Funny that you say "around the same time", when it's clearly less than
>> 6 seconds, so it's 15% slower, but that's the second instance of kdm.
>> The first instance sta
2012/8/22 Sebastian Günther :
> * Felipe Contreras (felipe.contre...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 02:22]:
>> Funny that you say "around the same time", when it's clearly less than
>> 6 seconds, so it's 15% slower, but that's the second instance of kdm.
>> The first instance starts at 2s in 1000 hz, and 4s
* Felipe Contreras (felipe.contre...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 02:22]:
> Funny that you say "around the same time", when it's clearly less than
> 6 seconds, so it's 15% slower, but that's the second instance of kdm.
> The first instance starts at 2s in 1000 hz, and 4s in 300 hz, so
> there's *clearly* a
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
>>> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>>
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis
On 15/08/2012 8:05 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Leon Feng wrote:
[snip]
Arch is always give user's their options they want.
You can use initscript, even if systemd is the default just like I can
use systemd now when initscript is the default. Switch from one to
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:22:09AM -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
> >> Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:
also I may or may not have hit reply to on you nicholas if so I wasn't
directing that earlier comment towards you
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Nicholas MIller wrote:
> On Aug 16, 2012 10:04 PM, "Justin Strickland"
> wrote:
> >
> > A better solution would be for you to reinstall with a clea
wasn't attacking him personally, I simply meant to state there is most
likely an issue with his configuration and thus he should check a pure
systemd install be for spamming the ML with his inexperience, granted the
dev may or may not be a douche but thats still no execuse for not
exhausting all po
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
>> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>>> wrote:
>>> > This is so stupid that it's not even f
On Aug 16, 2012 10:04 PM, "Justin Strickland"
wrote:
>
> A better solution would be for you to reinstall with a clean pure
install,
> then install systemd, and see if you run into the same solution which I
bet
> you won't, I'm calling pebkac and ID-107 until you've used systemd on a
> pure instal
A better solution would be for you to reinstall with a clean pure install,
then install systemd, and see if you run into the same solution which I bet
you won't, I'm calling pebkac and ID-107 until you've used systemd on a
pure install. if 9.99/10 users have no issue with a default systemd
ins
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
> > Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> >> wrote:
> >> >
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>> wrote:
>> > This is so stupid that it's not even funny. You said that the problem
>> > was having CONFIG_HZ=300 and
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
> > This is so stupid that it's not even funny. You said that the problem
> > was having CONFIG_HZ=300 and systemd. I said it is not, because I also
> > have that situat
On 16 August 2012 15:27, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandre Ferrando
> wrote:
>> On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
>>> independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
>>
>> I guess you've
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandre Ferrando wrote:
> On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
>> independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
>
> I guess you've reported it to kernel devs, right...?
Why would I? It's a b
On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
> independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
I guess you've reported it to kernel devs, right...?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
>>> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 A
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:09:29 -0500
C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
> > wrote:
> Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so
> consider me a skeptic.
> >>>
> >>> That'
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> Ad hominem fallacy.
I don't know if you're trying to show that you really know
argumentation topics by heart or just trying to make peopple dislike
you right away. That kind of snobish sance doesn't help you at all.
--
A: Because it obf
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>>> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
> wrote:
>> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
>> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
>> So any time any program (like the kernel
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
>>> wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure in due
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
>>> advantages, but I doubt
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
> wrote:
>> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
>> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
>> So any time any program (like the kernel
On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
wrote:
> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
> So any time any program (like the kernel or any other project),
> breaks the user experience, to me, th
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2012-08-15 13:56:22 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
>> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
>> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
>> So any time any program (like the kernel or any o
[2012-08-15 13:56:22 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
> So any time any program (like the kernel or any other project),
> breaks the user experience, to me, that’s t
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Leon Feng wrote:
> 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras :
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
>>> wrote:
I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
such an issu
On 08/15/2012 03:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
a skeptic.
That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything.
You are selling a distribution.
We ar
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
> Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
> a skeptic.
That's ok. We
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:09:29 -0500
C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> it's interesting to me how so many can believe that
> OSS/distros/etc/etc are really driven and decided by the whimsical
> desires of the complete, mob-like user base.
All points taken, and, for my own part, I do not complain about
> SO! truth is the commercial fedoras/redhats and ubuntus out there are
> all a vibrant part of this process,
True
> and they WILL supply/shoulder the
> bulk of development.
Wrong, there have been more commits from independents in the Linux tree
in the last decade atleast.
--
> > So I think Arch Linux will probably hit issues, and you think it's FUD
> > to say "hey Arch Linux, I think you might hit issues"?
> >
> You have “issues”. Your thread title, your baseless extrapolation of your own
> experience to all of Arch are classic FUD.[0]
If you look in a dictionary o
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
a skeptic.
>>>
>>> That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything.
>>
>> You a
[2012-08-15 03:35:15 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> it became clear I was on my own
Isn't life tough?
And seriously, who do you think gives a damn about platitudes like
> If you have a problem you will not be able to open a script and figure
> out what is happening, and perhaps modify it, and debug
2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras :
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
>>> such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from
>>
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
>>> Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
>>> a skeptic.
>>
>> That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything.
>
> You are selling a distribution.
We are? Damn. Where is my cut. Allan!
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
>> such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from
>> Lennart in that G+ post.
>
> Witho
On 15/08/12 at 08:38am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Jason Ryan wrote:
> > On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan wrote:
> >> > On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I just became aware
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
> such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from
> Lennart in that G+ post.
Without the insults, this would have been picked up on and sorted out
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:>
> Yes they can. Code is code, language doesn't make a piece of code more
> share-able between distros than others.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Felipe Contreras
Do you even know what .service files look like and how they work? Your
statement would
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Felipe,
>
> On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, "Felipe Contreras"
> wrote:
>> I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
>> the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart
>> Poettering and other people in Goo
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Leon Feng wrote:
> 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras :
>> Hi,
>>
>> Finally, it's much harder to debug. If you have a problem you will not
>> be able to open a script and figure out what is happening, and perhaps
>> modify it, and debug it. You would be greeted with an un
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
>> advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now. Has anybody looked
>> into the CONFIG_HZ
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Jason Ryan wrote:
> On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan wrote:
>> > On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>> >> I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
>> >> this w
On Aug 15, 2012 7:35 AM, "Tom Gundersen" wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, "Felipe Contreras"
wrote:
> > I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
> > the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart
> > Poettering and other people in Google+[1], it becam
Felipe,
On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, "Felipe Contreras"
wrote:
> I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
> the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart
> Poettering and other people in Google+[1], it became clear I was on my
> own. Eventually I found th
2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras :
> Hi,
>
> Finally, it's much harder to debug. If you have a problem you will not
> be able to open a script and figure out what is happening, and perhaps
> modify it, and debug it. You would be greeted with an unmodified
> binary, and the source code would be along thes
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
>> advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now. Has anybody looked
>> into the CONFIG_HZ
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
> advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now. Has anybody looked
> into the CONFIG_HZ issue? I doubt that.
Arch's stock kernel:
$ zgrep CONFIG_HZ /proc/confi
On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan wrote:
> > On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
> >> I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
> >> this worries me for several reasons.
> >>
> >> snip
> >
> > I am
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan wrote:
> On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
>> this worries me for several reasons.
>>
>> snip
>
> I am running it on both my home machines and my work laptop. I have fu
On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
> this worries me for several reasons.
>
> snip
I am running it on both my home machines and my work laptop. I have full
encryption on all three devices and LVM and Raid1
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
> this worries me for several reasons.
>
> I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
> the boot was *muc
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