Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-12 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Stephen E. Baker > wrote: > >> I think the usual response is, anyone can edit the wiki - please add what >> you >> think is needed. > > Point taken - I will try find some time to do that! > I edited the wiki

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-12 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Stephen E. Baker wrote: > I think the usual response is, anyone can edit the wiki - please add what > you > think is needed. Point taken - I will try find some time to do that! -- mike c

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-12 Thread Stephen E. Baker
On 11/09/2012 5:22 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Jan Steffens wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: 2) When chrony is not running, systemd-timedated runs periodically to adjust the hardwa

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Jan Steffens wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: >>> 2) When chrony is not running, systemd-timedated runs periodically to >>> adjust the hardware clock for drift (AFAIK, not sure

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: >> 2) When chrony is not running, systemd-timedated runs periodically to >> adjust the hardware clock for drift (AFAIK, not sure that is the job >> that timedated does). > > No. When chro

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 11.09.2012 20:51, schrieb Jan Steffens: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: >> 2) When chrony is not running, systemd-timedated runs periodically to >> adjust the hardware clock for drift (AFAIK, not sure that is the job >> that timedated does). > > No. When chrony isn't r

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread Jan Steffens
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > 2) When chrony is not running, systemd-timedated runs periodically to > adjust the hardware clock for drift (AFAIK, not sure that is the job > that timedated does). No. When chrony isn't running, the hwclock isn't getting adjusted at all. T

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 11.09.2012 20:16, schrieb mike cloaked: > However a question is where does the hardware clock get > re-synchronised if it drifts out of time over a period unless it is > occasionally resynchronised? Three things: 1) On boot, the hardware clock is copied to the system clock. The adjtime file sa

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: >> OK I will try with chrony stopped - the first line of adjtime is: >> >> 0.00 0 0.00 >> >> I saved the file as .bak before fiddling! > > Okay, that means your problem is NOT a broken adjtime. This basically > says that your hardware

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > I guess you need to stop chrony when playing with hwclock. Maybe it is > enough to just delete adjtime without that command. > > Forgot to tell you (but it's probably too late now) to post the first > line of your /etc/adjtime, this would h

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 11.09.2012 19:03, schrieb mike cloaked: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: >> Am 11.09.2012 18:17, schrieb mike cloaked: > >> I guess you need to stop chrony when playing with hwclock. Maybe it is >> enough to just delete adjtime without that command. >> >> Forgot to tell

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 11.09.2012 18:17, schrieb mike cloaked: > I guess you need to stop chrony when playing with hwclock. Maybe it is > enough to just delete adjtime without that command. > > Forgot to tell you (but it's probably too late now) to post the fi

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 11.09.2012 18:17, schrieb mike cloaked: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Thomas Bächler >> wrote: >> >>> Your /etc/adjtime probably contains a faulty adjustment value. Delete >>> it, hwclock --systohc, then reboot. >>> >> There is a p

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > >> Your /etc/adjtime probably contains a faulty adjustment value. Delete >> it, hwclock --systohc, then reboot. >> > There is a problem running the hwclock command: > > [root@lapmike3

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Your /etc/adjtime probably contains a faulty adjustment value. Delete > it, hwclock --systohc, then reboot. > There is a problem running the hwclock command: [root@lapmike3 etc]# hwclock --systohc hwclock: Cannot access the Hardware Clock

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Does chrony install a .list file to /usr/lib/systemd/ntp-units.d? > [mike@lapmike3 Documents]$ cat /usr/lib/systemd/ntp-units.d/chrony.list chrony.service So yes this is the single line content of the chrony.list file >> I would not mi

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 11.09.2012 12:15, schrieb mike cloaked: >> Recently I changed permanently to systemd - however I have noticed >> that the system clock is out by some minutes just after I have booted >> up and see for example: >> >> [mike@lapmike3 ~]$ ch

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 11.09.2012 12:15, schrieb mike cloaked: > Recently I changed permanently to systemd - however I have noticed > that the system clock is out by some minutes just after I have booted > up and see for example: > > [mike@lapmike3 ~]$ chronyc tracking > Reference ID: 178.32.55.58 (gateway.omega.

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread Tom Rand
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:28:26PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 11:15 +0100, mike cloaked wrote: > > Recently I changed permanently to systemd - however I have noticed > > that the system clock is out by some minutes just after I have booted > > up and see for example: > > >

Re: [arch-general] Systemd and time synchronisation problems

2012-09-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 11:15 +0100, mike cloaked wrote: > Recently I changed permanently to systemd - however I have noticed > that the system clock is out by some minutes just after I have booted > up and see for example: > > [mike@lapmike3 ~]$ chronyc tracking > Reference ID: 178.32.55.58 (ga