Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 23/09/16 14:23, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: > On 09/22/2016 08:19 PM, Allan McRae wrote: >> Anyone else who replies to this thread will be stuck in the moderation >> queue (which no-one checks). > > I took this to mean that this thread got "locked" so to speak, and any > replies to thi

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 08:19 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > Anyone else who replies to this thread will be stuck in the moderation > queue (which no-one checks). I took this to mean that this thread got "locked" so to speak, and any replies to this thread would require manual approval (which isn't going to happe

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:09:14 +1000, aur basica via arch-general wrote: >Any particular reason you're trolling the mailing list? The OP does, because some of us still reply ;). Let's ignore the two threads!

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:22:24 -0400 Simon Gomizelj via arch-general wrote: > But we do have to make it clear that we won't **officially** support > anything installed outside of the officially sanctions instructions. I > don't see that as unreasonable. I have to agree. As someone who works softwa

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Mauro Santos via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 23-09-2016 01:06, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > > Hi Maurio, > > > > Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom > > ends where the others starts, then it

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 23-09-2016 01:06, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Maurio, > > Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom > ends where the others starts, then it would seem that the reverse is also > true, that the freedom of others ends where my freedom starts. > Yes

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

To be fair, I think I'm trolling more than Francis. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:23 PM, D C wrote: > LOL > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > arch-general

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

LOL On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:09 PM, aur basica wrote: > > > * Talks about distros th

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:09 PM, aur basica wrote: > * Talks about distros that aren't Arch on a Arch mailing list > * Starts calling it Arch GNU/Linux (from here on out I will personally > call it Ubuntu /sarcasm) > * Compares the CoC to slavery (unfortunately missed the opportunity to use > Red

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Anyone else who replies to this thread will be stuck in the moderation queue (which no-one checks). Allan

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 08:09 PM, aur basica via arch-general wrote: > * Talks about distros that aren't Arch on a Arch mailing list > * Starts calling it Arch GNU/Linux (from here on out I will personally call > it Ubuntu /sarcasm) What is wrong with "tomato"? > * Compares the CoC to slavery (unfortunatel

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 08:06 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Maurio, > > Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom > ends where the others starts, then it would seem that the reverse is also > true, that the freedom of others ends where my freedom starts. > >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 08:00 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > I have never said that you have to call it anything. You are free to call > it whatever you want to. > > And so am I. But not on the Arch Linux mailing list -- we don't support other distros here, and whatever "Arch

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

* Talks about distros that aren't Arch on a Arch mailing list * Starts calling it Arch GNU/Linux (from here on out I will personally call it Ubuntu /sarcasm) * Compares the CoC to slavery (unfortunately missed the opportunity to use Reductio ad Hitlerum) Any particular reason you're trolling the m

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Hi Maurio, Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom ends where the others starts, then it would seem that the reverse is also true, that the freedom of others ends where my freedom starts. With warmest regards, y'r obd't srvt., F.G.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 22.09.2016 um 19:54 schrieb Francis Gerund via arch-general: > > Chris, > > Thank you for your interest. Perhaps you may find this helpful: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.en.html > > No, we don't find this helpful at all.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22-09-2016 23:10, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi D C, > > Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want to say, without > interference from sel-appointed sidewalk supervisors or other members of > the Peanut Gallery. > > HTH. > . > All nice and well, but don't forg

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22-09-2016 17:26, Zachary Kline wrote: > > How does one define “third-party installer?” By my reading, the TalkingArch > project, which makes the installation process accessible to the visually > impaired, could qualify, as it isn’t released by the official Arch > maintainers. This would be

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Am 22.09.2016 um 19:54 schrieb Francis Gerund via arch-general: > Chris, > Thank you for your interest. Perhaps you may find this helpful: > > http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.en.html No, we don't find this helpful at all. The FSF has no right to forcefully rename what we call our OS. We ca

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Thank you, Francis. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:56 PM, D C via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > When I frist meet people I give them the utmost respect, then I basically

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:56 PM, D C via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > When I frist meet people I give them the utmost respect, then I basically > treat them the way they treat me. I urge everyone to do the same, that goes > for staff and the rest of the Arch community. > D

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

When I frist meet people I give them the utmost respect, then I basically treat them the way they treat me. I urge everyone to do the same, that goes for staff and the rest of the Arch community.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 18:10:43 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want to say, > without interference from self-appointed sidewalk supervisors or other > members of the Peanut Gallery. The linked comic points out exactly *that*:

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general wrote: Third party installers are not supported in any shape or form. Threads asking for support about derivative distros or third party installers on the forums will be closed and

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

It was sarcasm =) On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > Hi D C, > > Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want to say, without > interference from sel-appointed sidewalk supervisors or other members of > the Peanut

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

6 12:21:30 From: Mauro Santos via arch-general To: arch-general@archlinux.org Cc: Mauro Santos Subject: Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users On 22-09-2016 16:47, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: Note that all of these are regarded as separate distros and w

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 03:10 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Simon. > > Thank you for the link you provided. > > "You say 'tomayto', I say 'tomahto' . . ." > "You say Arch (or Arch Linux, or archlinux), I say GNU/Linux . . .) > > Either way, what does it matter? > > I live in a culture t

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 03:40 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Simon, > > Thank you for your taking the time for your thoughtful, informative > explanation. > > And thank you for your support service in #archlinux on IRC! > > > So - supporting other distributions, or even other installation m

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Hi D C, Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want to say, without interference from sel-appointed sidewalk supervisors or other members of the Peanut Gallery. HTH.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

2016/09/23 7:02 "D C via arch-general" : > > Free speech, what's that? > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Tinu Weber wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 17:22:57 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general > > wrote: > > > > There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but > > >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Free speech, what's that? On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Tinu Weber wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 17:22:57 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general > wrote: > > > There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but > > > having the gall to mention slavery in the context of an

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 17:22:57 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > > There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but > > having the gall to mention slavery in the context of an online > > community for a computer operating system would have to rank as one > > of t

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Wait, let me grab some popcorn first. Okay, go on... On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but having > the gall to mention slavery in the context of an online commun

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 04:50:54PM -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Rather than telling us how our community *should* work, why don't you > > > make some effort to learn how it actually *does* work? > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Arch_ > > Linux_distributio

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but having the gall to mention slavery in the context of an online community for a computer operating system would have to rank as one of the most offensive and moronic, not just for this thread, or this ML but for the community. Don'

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22/09/16 at 04:50pm, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: Rather than telling us how our community *should* work, why don't you make some effort to learn how it actually *does* work? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Arch_ Linux_distribution_support_ONLY /J -- http://

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Rather than telling us how our community *should* work, why don't you > make some effort to learn how it actually *does* work? > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Arch_ > Linux_distribution_support_ONLY > > /J > > -- > > http://jasonwryan.com/ > GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22/09/16 at 03:40pm, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: 3) Please do not criticize, ridicule, or discourage others from trying to answer questions or provide other support, regardless of who is requesting help, or how they "got here". Rather than telling us how our community *should* w

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Simon, Thank you for your taking the time for your thoughtful, informative explanation. And thank you for your support service in #archlinux on IRC! So - supporting other distributions, or even other installation modalities is not "officially" supported. Okay, fine. I never said that anyone M

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:29:32 -0400, Simon Gomizelj via arch-general wrote: >Its not a dig at GNU, the official name is either "Arch Linux" or >"Arch". We're a GNU/Linux distro (though we don't meet the FSF >foundation's definition, but you always have Parabola then). > >https://wiki.archlinux.org/i

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> Either way, what does it matter? > > I live in a culture that at least gives "lip service" to freedom of > speech. Thus, I try not to tell other people what to say or not to say, > and I would hope for the same from others in return. Sure, you have all the freedom to call things by the wrong na

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Simon Gomizelj wrote: > Its not a dig at GNU, the official name is either "Arch Linux" or > "Arch". We're a GNU/Linux distro (though we don't meet the FSF > foundation's definition, but you always have Parabola then). > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Its not a dig at GNU, the official name is either "Arch Linux" or "Arch". We're a GNU/Linux distro (though we don't meet the FSF foundation's definition, but you always have Parabola then). https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_terminology#Arch_Linux

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 01:22:44PM -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > > The point is that the official Arch Linux support channels (forums, > > mailing lists, etc.) are only for official Arch projects. Any derivative > > projects, be they custom installers, distro derivatives, or anyth

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

> While Antergos is indeed a separate distribution (but very close to > raw Arch), the Archtect Arch Installer and Arch-Anywhere are not > distributions, they are just installers for Arch. So to give you some background why you get the hostility, here's some things I've experienced from the frontl

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:11:28 -0400, Francis Gerund wrote: >I did read the web page that you provided a link for. I must confess >that I did not see the relevance of the linked page to this >discussion. I seemed to be an announcement of two distributions being >added to the FSF list of free softwa

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:39:29 +0200, Chris Warrick via arch-general > wrote: > >On 22 September 2016 at 17:31, Francis Gerund via arch-general > > wrote: > >> For beginners and new users, here is how to install Arch GNU/Linux, > >> without the

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:39:29 +0200, Chris Warrick via arch-general wrote: >On 22 September 2016 at 17:31, Francis Gerund via arch-general > wrote: >> For beginners and new users, here is how to install Arch GNU/Linux, >> without the agony: >> And here is a "user-centric" alternative to Arch GNU/Lin

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Chris, Thank you for your interest. Perhaps you may find this helpful: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.en.html On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Chris Warrick via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 22 September 2016 at 17:31, Francis Gerund via arch-general > wrote: >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22 September 2016 at 17:31, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > For beginners and new users, here is how to install Arch GNU/Linux, without > the agony: > And here is a "user-centric" alternative to Arch GNU/Linux: There’s no such thing as “Arch GNU/Linux”. The OS you’re thinking about is

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:47:32 -0400, Francis Gerund wrote: >And I do believe there are quite a few friendly, helpful people in the >Arch community that will be happy to help, without questioning the >pedigree of the user's installation. You compare apples with oranges. Yes, I'm helping Antergos use

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Tinu, The phrase "You are welcome" is actually meant to be indicative of the attitude with which I hope that new users would be greeted. Thank you for allowing me to clarify that point. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Sean Greenslade wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:26:35AM -0700, Zachar

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:26:35AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote: > > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general > > wrote: > > > > Third party installers are not supported in any shape or form. Threads > > asking for support about derivative distros or third party installers on

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Am I the only one that can't understand the reason of this thread? Ale On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > > Third party installers are not supported in any shape or f

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general > wrote: > > Third party installers are not supported in any shape or form. Threads > asking for support about derivative distros or third party installers on > the forums will be closed and binned on sight. > How does one define “t

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22-09-2016 16:47, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Note that all of these are regarded as separate distros and will NOT be >> supported by Arch in the forums, mailing lists, or IRC. >> > > > While Antergos is indeed a separate distribution (but very close to raw > Arch), the Archtect A

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Note that all of these are regarded as separate distros and will NOT be > supported by Arch in the forums, mailing lists, or IRC. > While Antergos is indeed a separate distribution (but very close to raw Arch), the Archtect Arch Installer and Arch-Anywhere are not distributions, they are just ins

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:31:47 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > You are welcome. This implies that people are thanking you for something... signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:31:47 -0400 Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > For beginners and new users, here is how to install Arch GNU/Linux, without > the agony: > > 1) http://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux > > 2) http://arch-anywhere.org > > And here is a "user-centric" alterna