On 04/29/12 23:22, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>> The sysvinit code is so "boring" that there are still typos in the
>> comments because not enough people even look at it to notice ...
> The lack of maintenance of sysvinit is a bit worrying, isn't i
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>
> What's the point. To me that's just adding an extra redundant layer
> that could have bugs. I see no point using binaries for configuration
> whatosever. RAM is crazy fast and some SSDs are now as fast as a PIIIs
> ram. How many nanosecond
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:59:02 +0530
> Jayesh Badwaik wrote:
>
>> You are very correct, master documents should always be plain text. The
>> generated documents can be binary however. Also, there should be a fallback
>> system where the plain
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:59:02 +0530
Jayesh Badwaik wrote:
> You are very correct, master documents should always be plain text. The
> generated documents can be binary however. Also, there should be a fallback
> system where the plain text documents are used rather than binary documents
> so that
On Monday 30 Apr 2012 11:30:23 Gour wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:51:42 +0100
>
> Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > Heck, I save my documents as .txt for secondary backup purposes. I
> > wish I knew that when I was a teenager doing work for school at 3AM
> > and Word lost everything spectacularly well.
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:51:42 +0100
Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Heck, I save my documents as .txt for secondary backup purposes. I
> wish I knew that when I was a teenager doing work for school at 3AM
> and Word lost everything spectacularly well.
Heh...similar lesson when I was workin on OS2 with Lo
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 01:12:15 -0500
C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> yeah ... i'm a C novice, and i'm pretty sure i can write a stable init
> ... that's kinda the point. init is so incredibly dumb that it
> requires no code. is that really what "unix philosophy" is meant to
> convey? so little code a
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> The sysvinit code is so "boring" that there are still typos in the
> comments because not enough people even look at it to notice ...
The lack of maintenance of sysvinit is a bit worrying, isn't it?
>> i write a lot of shell code, and have
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:51:11 +0800
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> No need for systemd at all :)
As someone that has used Linux exclusively since the very early days
kernel version 0.99-a i have to say
+1 to no need for systemd at allit is just another un-needed
uncalled for over complication of
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 04/29/12 11:10, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>>
>> perhaps it is a matter of taste, but i don't think the init system's
>> purpose is to simply "initialize" things. it is a state manager, esp.
>> considering it has abilities no other proces
On 04/29/12 11:10, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:05:54 -0500
>> C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>>
>>> "bloat" is not measured by LOC, but rather by degrees of uselessness.
>> I disagree here. If many don't use/need those fea
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:05:54 -0500
> C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>
>> "bloat" is not measured by LOC, but rather by degrees of uselessness.
>
> I disagree here. If many don't use/need those features aside from an
> init system initialising thi
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:05:54 -0500
C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> "bloat" is not measured by LOC, but rather by degrees of uselessness.
>
I disagree here. If many don't use/need those features aside from an
init system initialising things then it is bloat and will have bugs
that will even affect si
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Jan Steffens wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick
> wrote:
>> We are going to sacrifice, simplicity, amount of code to look for bugs
>> and most importantly, ease of troubleshooting. One of the beauties of
>> Unix is the error information. A
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> I presume you will be able to get to this journal information even if
> you switch off and access the drive in another machine?
You can configure the journal to be saved to disk and process it on a
different machine later on.
-t
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Imagine if all drivers loaded at once.
Just a piece of information: the way kernel modules are loaded is not
changed, currently they are (for most intents and purposes) loaded at
once.
-t
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:58:01 +0100
Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> but if it just hangs without a panic
I still like KISS for init but thinking about it, The chances of that
are I'd guess next to none, once the drivers are loaded?
I presume you will be able to get to this journal information even if
yo
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:08:34 +0200
Jan Steffens wrote:
> > We are going to sacrifice, simplicity, amount of code to look for bugs
> > and most importantly, ease of troubleshooting. One of the beauties of
> > Unix is the error information. Aren't they all going to be mixed
> > together on systemd.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> We are going to sacrifice, simplicity, amount of code to look for bugs
> and most importantly, ease of troubleshooting. One of the beauties of
> Unix is the error information. Aren't they all going to be mixed
> together on systemd. Imagine
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:49:26 +0200
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> Gentoo might make systemd the default init system in the future. Nobody
> can say if and when this could heppen but this is clearly possible for
> OpenRC to become a Gentoo init system _alternative_.
>
> This is why I think that switchi
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