Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread David C. Rankin
On 11/01/2019 05:06 PM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: > Our dracut packager tried to get in touch with the dracut developer, > after a lack of success for quite some time it seems that the individual > in question was on... parental leave, IIRC? I'm not sure what the > current status is. No

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Genes Lists via arch-general
On 11/3/19 11:27 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: > > > xz is much slower than gzip, and the kernel does not support zstd. > Right - facebook brought it up again a few months ago, thread went quiet and I incorrectly assumed it was actually mainlined - but you're right it isn't. https://lkml.org/l

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em novembro 4, 2019 0:59 Genes Lists via arch-general escreveu: Yeh, that makes sense - plus its very easy to add to dracut.conf Yes. dracut supports /etc/dracut.d, so there's where they recommend to put settings. Been thinking about that - I've switched to building without -H and not c

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Genes Lists via arch-general
On 11/3/19 11:16 PM, Genes Lists via arch-general wrote: > > gene > Clearly image size and compression both likely impact boot time. An interesting comparison might be running systemd-analyze blame after booting with and with hostonly and with and without compression. Anyone have a comparison h

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Genes Lists via arch-general
On 11/3/19 10:59 PM, Genes Lists via arch-general wrote: > > Not sure what value a fallback image actualy provides at this point? > It takes more space and I don't see it adding much value. > Didn't think enough - the host only image might well be faster to boot (being smaller) - but I have n

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Genes Lists via arch-general
On 11/3/19 7:31 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: > That would require having dracut depend on mdadm. I think this is something > to be done by the user. I plan a simple config/preset per kernel that > will be Yeh, that makes sense - plus its very easy to add to dracut.conf > called twice, once w

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em novembro 3, 2019 21:05 Genes Lists via arch-general escreveu: Thank you ... I really like dracut - it works well. Only suggestion I'd make is adding "--mdadmconf" perhaps by default - though I can see it both ways for those who don't use RAID - if its easy to add that would also be totally fi

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Genes Lists via arch-general
On 11/3/19 7:05 PM, Genes Lists via arch-general wrote: > Only suggestion I'd make is adding "--mdadmconf" perhaps by default - To clarify, I mean in dracut.conf - so I should probably have said mdadmconf="yes" ... anyway, thanks again. gene

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Genes Lists via arch-general
On 11/3/19 4:02 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: > > I'm as of now writing hooks for dracut to be able to install the kernel, as > mkinitcpio does, and I'm considering have a preset config, like mkinicpio, > so it gives the user the ability to decide how dracut is ran. > > Other than that, given t

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em novembro 3, 2019 12:45 Genes Lists via arch-general escreveu: On 10/31/19 2:30 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote: ... ... Also, as I've mentioned, dracut should receive soon, hooks similar to those mkinitcpio did, with a few differences of course. Since Giancarlo brought up d

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-03 Thread Genes Lists via arch-general
On 10/31/19 2:30 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote: ... > ... Also, as I've mentioned, dracut should receive > soon, hooks similar to those mkinitcpio did, with a few differences of > course. Since Giancarlo brought up dracut in May this year, I've been using this successfully to bo

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-02 Thread Geo Kozey via arch-general
> > From: Eli Schwartz via arch-general > Sent: Fri Nov 01 23:06:03 CET 2019 > To: > Cc: Eli Schwartz > Subject: Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod > > > Dracut does not work out of the box (we cu

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/31/19 3:46 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: > Hi Eli, > > This is totally uncalled for. Even though I agree that kernel-install is > *not* > that great, there's no need to be aggressive. > > The question, even if phrased not in the best way, is a legitimate one. Didn't seem like much of a qu

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-11-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/31/19 6:19 PM, Geo Kozey via arch-general wrote: > Thx, my concern was more about maintenance burden for Arch devs vs relying on > dracut + kernel-install combo and call it a day. > If devs prefer to work on exclusive service for Arch users then let it be. Dracut does not work out of the bo

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Geo Kozey via arch-general
> > From: Giancarlo Razzolini > Sent: Thu Oct 31 19:30:42 CET 2019 > To: General Discussion about Arch Linux , Geo > Kozey > Subject: Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod > > There are several reason

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Geo Kozey via arch-general
> > From: Eli Schwartz via arch-general > Sent: Thu Oct 31 20:16:18 CET 2019 > To: > Cc: Eli Schwartz > Subject: Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod > > > On 10/31/19 2:11 PM, Geo Kozey via arch-

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread David C. Rankin
On 10/31/2019 01:30 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote: > Em outubro 31, 2019 15:11 Geo Kozey escreveu: >> >> What was the reason for not using kernel-install[1] standard instead of >> all of those Arch's exclusive hooks again?? >> >> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/k

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em outubro 31, 2019 16:16 Eli Schwartz via arch-general escreveu: What was the reason for suggesting to use kernel-install non-standard Fedora tool that does gross things in a gross way instead of "all those tools" (all one of them) which do the exact same thing in a more KISS manner that respec

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/31/19 2:11 PM, Geo Kozey via arch-general wrote: > What was the reason for not using kernel-install[1] standard instead of all > of those Arch's exclusive hooks again?? > > https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/kernel-install.html What was the reason for suggesting to use kernel

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em outubro 31, 2019 15:28 Damjan Georgievski via arch-general escreveu: I can make a more general hook, for example triggering on usr/lib/modules/*/pkgbase (or vmlinuz?) - is that the recommended way now? All the official kernels will have pkgbase on them. So, trigger on vmlinuz, which is the

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em outubro 31, 2019 15:11 Geo Kozey escreveu: What was the reason for not using kernel-install[1] standard instead of all of those Arch's exclusive hooks again?? https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/kernel-install.html Yours sincerely G. K. There are several reasons for not us

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Damjan Georgievski via arch-general
On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 14:55, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: > > Em outubro 31, 2019 9:46 Damjan Georgievski via arch-general escreveu: > > Can someone explain in better detail the changes in > > * kmod 26-3 > > * mkinitcpio 27-1 > > * linux 5.3.8.1-1 > > around packaging and pacman hooks? > > > > I c

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Geo Kozey via arch-general
> > From: Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general > Sent: Thu Oct 31 14:55:47 CET 2019 > To: General Discussion about Arch Linux > Cc: Giancarlo Razzolini > Subject: Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod >

Re: [arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em outubro 31, 2019 9:46 Damjan Georgievski via arch-general escreveu: Can someone explain in better detail the changes in * kmod 26-3 * mkinitcpio 27-1 * linux 5.3.8.1-1 around packaging and pacman hooks? I can see there's some reorganization of the hooks and scripts, and the kernel package no

[arch-general] new packaging of the kernel/mkinitcpio/kmod

2019-10-31 Thread Damjan Georgievski via arch-general
Can someone explain in better detail the changes in * kmod 26-3 * mkinitcpio 27-1 * linux 5.3.8.1-1 around packaging and pacman hooks? I can see there's some reorganization of the hooks and scripts, and the kernel package no longer installing directly to /boot (which is a welcome change, the kerne