Tom Gundersen (2011-01-21 14:36):
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Karol Babioch wrote:
> > Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen:>
> >> Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards
> >> complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or
> >> less there
Karol Babioch (2011-01-21 13:13):
> Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen:>
> > Any suggestions about what might make the installation easier? At the
> > moment you have to install some packages from AUR and add a line to
> > your GRUB file.
>
> I appreciate your work (and anyone who has help
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Karol Babioch wrote:
> Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen:>
>> Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards
>> complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or
>> less there (modulo unknown bugs).
>
> First of all I w
Hi,
Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen:>
> Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards
> complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or
> less there (modulo unknown bugs).
First of all I was talking about systemd as the default init system
within
Hi Karol,
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Karol Babioch wrote:
> Although a complete integration into Arch seems to be unlikely
Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards
complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or
less there (modulo unknown bugs).
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>
> Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
>
> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
>
> Thanks,
> Madhur
>
Ok, Some people have suggested that I am trolling just because I have
not r
At Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2011 22:45 Ionuț Bîru wrote:
> We should really stop this. The OP doesn't have any interest to
> participate to the discussion. In 12 hours he didn't replied to any of
> your ideas, clearly he is a troll.
Only for the stats: If he, the OP, has asked before work (or a bus
On 01/19/2011 11:35 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> systemd is my personal favorite; it is a solid concept and the most
> novel and complete solution. systemd is related to upstart, but works
> in the complete opposite direction. with systemd, you define where
> you WANT TO BE first, and actions
We should really stop this. The OP doesn't have any interest to
participate to the discussion. In 12 hours he didn't replied to any of
your ideas, clearly he is a troll.
Let this thread to die...
--
Ionuț
On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 02:25:28 pm Isaac Dupree wrote:
> On 01/19/11 14:03, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > And comments about Ubuntu and their competence are entirely relevant to
> > this discussion, as Upstart is entirely their creation. Would you rather
> > I talk about people who had nothing to
I appreciate the links provided here. I had found a few items on line as
well.
All I have read about upstart really just related to faster boot times,
which isn't that big of a sell-point for me. I'm not saying I'm not opposed
to faster boot times, that would just be silly. I was just pointing o
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Kaiting Chen wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
>
>> Package upstart, create a forum thread, gather some evidence that it
>> could be implemented easy in the archlinux and then take it too the
>> devs. (If they would still be intere
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> Package upstart, create a forum thread, gather some evidence that it
> could be implemented easy in the archlinux and then take it too the
> devs. (If they would still be interested after all this 16 year old
> behaviour :P )
>
First of
On 01/19/11 14:03, Yaro Kasear wrote:
And comments about Ubuntu and their competence are entirely relevant to this
discussion, as Upstart is entirely their creation. Would you rather I talk
about people who had nothing to do with its code? The Ubuntu devs are behind
Upstart, they're not that grea
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 13:33 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:53:44 pm C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am L
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:53:44 pm C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am Laurent Carlier wrote:
>> >> Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jel
On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:53:44 pm C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am Laurent Carlier wrote:
> >> Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit :
> >> > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:5
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am Laurent Carlier wrote:
>> Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit :
>> > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
>> >
>> > If you want the devs to get interested
On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am Laurent Carlier wrote:
> Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit :
> > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> > > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
> > >
> > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart b
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Culley Smith wrote:
>
> Perhaps someone with more insight into this matter can speak up as to the
> advantages of upstart vs System V init?
boot times are more of a side affect. for upstart, this may have been
a primary goal, but there is much more to systemd.
Perhaps someone with more insight into this matter can speak up as to the
advantages of upstart vs System V init? As far as I understand things, the
main thing being championed are boot times. However, boot times are
somewhat misleading. They may be great on fresh systems, and have an even
great
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Laurent Carlier wrote:
>
> And "ubuntu use it" is not enough as an argument :-)
For me its is an unfavorable one. =] If ubuntu did, think two times
before doing it.
@OP If you look at the forum you will find a lot of arguments showing
how bad upstart is. It can
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Fidel Viegas
wrote:
>
> [...] as it is in my view better than system V.
>
Please explain why.
--
Cédric Girard
On 19/01/11 11:29, Laurent Carlier wrote:
Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit :
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
http://upstart.ubuntu
Am 19.01.2011 09:03, schrieb KESHAV P.R.:
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 13:29, Junior wrote:
>
> Can you please try systemd first (default in Fedora 15 rawhide)?
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd
Well after reading up some information about systemd, it seems to me
that it is a real adva
2011/1/19 Madhur Ahuja :
> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>
> Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
>
> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
>
> Thanks,
> Madhur
>
I hope never :).
Anyway, we are not rpm or deb dependant to follow their schemes :D.
--
Angel Velásqu
On 01/18/2011 11:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>
> Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
>
> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
>
> Thanks,
> Madhur
Sysvinit does it's job just fine. I see no real reason to switch to
upstart when we alre
Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit :
> On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
> >
> > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
> >
> > http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
> >
> > Thanks,
>
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>
> Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
>
> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
>
> Thanks,
> Madhur
For the nex time, first try to implement this feature/thing in AUR and
ge
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 04:12 -0500, Kaiting Chen wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
>
> > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
> >
>
> Oh God please never. It would be nice to have it as an option for users who
> are interested (I'm totally f
At Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:50:05 +0700,
Madhur Ahuja wrote:
>
> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>
> Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
I hope never.
Btw, I think you can use
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=upstart
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
>
Oh God please never. It would be nice to have it as an option for users who
are interested (I'm totally for an officially supported option) but there's
no need to complicate
Am 19.01.2011 08:50, schrieb Madhur Ahuja:
> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>
> Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
>
> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
I'd say, never. I haven't really read the details about upstart and
systemd. However, somebody is already w
On 01/19/2011 09:50 AM, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
Thanks,
Madhur
never, unless somebody from the community want and participate.
in arch the things work like thi
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 13:39, slubman wrote:
> Why not looking systemd[1], which is a freedesktop.org project?
>
> [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd
>
>
Heh Heh, I beat you by 5 minutes.Anyway all the Fedora rawhide build
use systemd by default and upstart as standby -
http://fedo
Why not looking systemd[1], which is a freedesktop.org project?
[1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd
>In any case, great jobs guys! I love arch!
>
>On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja
>wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>>
>> Any ideas when will Arch sw
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 13:29, Junior wrote:
> I would also love to see this, but I can imagine the task is pretty hefty.
> In any case, great jobs guys! I love arch!
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>>
>> Any ideas when will
I would also love to see this, but I can imagine the task is pretty hefty.
In any case, great jobs guys! I love arch!
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
>
> Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
>
> http:/
Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it.
Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ?
http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
Thanks,
Madhur
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