Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

"When will Arch switch to s_d"... yes? ALSA != alsa-lib... yes? terminology is important. PA was created to provide business solutions. it does this; refer to widespread acceptance as a good approach. automation and intelligent decisions by computers are a Good Thing when coupled with tr

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Am Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:40:05 +0100 schrieb f...@kokkinizita.net: > So this could probably be solved if PA would accept some manual > configuration in such cases. Maybe it does, but so far apparently > no-one knows how to do it. I guess it's just not possible as manual > configuration sort of goes

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:31:37PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > They are not comparable to usual sound cards like SoundBlaster, because > they don't have Stereo or Surround sound. They just have several single > input and output channels which can be mixed however you want. And this > is just not s

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Am Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:13:56 -0700 schrieb Brendan Long : > So the ALSA drivers don't do what they're supposed to and that PA's > problem? If it doesn't work on your card, don't use it. It's why I > don't use OSS on my laptop. And remember, what I was replying to was: This is not ALSA's problem.

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 01/21/2011 03:28 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > It does not work for ice1712 based audio cards while ALSA works > perfectly with those cards. > > Heiko So the ALSA drivers don't do what they're supposed to and that PA's problem? If it doesn't work on your card, don't use it. It's why I don't use OSS o

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > Can we move this discussion to the forums, In case it was not posted yet, here is the current forum thread: (please note that the information there gets quickly out of date, check th

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 13:43 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:36:45 +0100 > Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > > Secondly on the forums probably the trolls won't reply ;) > > afaik forums contains more trolls then mailing list. Probably in number, but I'd wager that replies are

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:36:45 +0100 Jelle van der Waa wrote: > Secondly on the forums probably the trolls won't reply ;) afaik forums contains more trolls then mailing list. Dieter

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 19:23 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:09:43 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > > > (snip) > > > > > >> - It's nice you can install

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Jan 21, 2011 5:42 PM, "Ray Rashif" wrote: > > On 22 January 2011 05:30, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > ... because arch users are encouraged to help solve their own > > problems; whats your goal exactly? > > Are you on a provoking rampage? Because my goal was to simply give you > some feedback

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Friday, January 21, 2011 06:10:02 pm Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > If it isn't broken, don't fix it. We put grub2 in [extra], not [core], > > for the same reason we really should put systemd in [extra] and not > > [core]. > > Don't get

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > If it isn't broken, don't fix it. We put grub2 in [extra], not [core], for the > same reason we really should put systemd in [extra] and not [core]. Don't get me wrong, but no one is putting anything anywhere. This is not a voting. The decisio

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Friday, January 21, 2011 05:42:17 pm Ray Rashif wrote: (snip) > > indeed, and i'd mostly agree. however while im not a developer for > > archlinux, i wouldnt waste time on obsolete systems when a better > > alternative saves me time; you may end up maintaining the initscripts > > yourself. kee

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 22 January 2011 05:30, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > ok, so what went wrong?  your sure you did everything correctly?  more > info would be needed to help you. Thank you, but I can help myself if I want to pursue this, when I have the time to pursue this. The point was to check how far it was in

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 22 January 2011 01:53, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> oh... my.  there is too much to respond properly >> so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... >> >> ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: >> >> SYSVI

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > I just tried systemd. And it just failed. I don't want to know > anything else, and I don't want to find out why. To everyone trying out systemd, please keep in mind that the arch integration has not received a lot of testing yet, so don't expe

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

bravo, sir. i'll throw you one last bone, because your track record in this conversation is one of severe inability to comprehend any information presented. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Friday, January 21, 2011 11:53:22 am C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> oh... my.  ther

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 22 January 2011 01:53, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > oh... my.  there is too much to respond properly > so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... > > ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: > > SYSVINIT HAS NO POWER, NO FUNCTIONALITY, AND ABSOLUTELY ZERO > US

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Friday, January 21, 2011 11:53:22 am C Anthony Risinger wrote: > oh... my. there is too much to respond properly > so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... > > ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: > Because it's completely unnecessary. > SYSVINIT HA

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:03:23 +0800 > schrieb Ng Oon-Ee : > >> This talk is probably a year or so out of date however. Try pulseaudio >> now, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You'd also have noticed >> that actual bug reports on our forum

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

oh... my. there is too much to respond properly so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: SYSVINIT HAS NO POWER, NO FUNCTIONALITY, AND ABSOLUTELY ZERO USEFULNESS ON IT'S OWN. the "unix philosophy" (debatable in itself

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Friday, January 21, 2011 07:43:55 am Lukáš Jirkovský wrote: (snip) > And as other people said – I'm afraid of systemd even more because it > was written by the same person as Pulse Audio was. PA didn't work very > well for quite a long time. I'm not going to argue about that (it's > just my per

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Sander Jansen (2011-01-20 19:09): > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > > (snip) > >> > >> - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really > >> easy to test without breaking the system. > >

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

I think systemd is too much complicated and thus error prone. And so does SysV init. In terms of reliability it should be as simple as possible. What I really like is the the idea of runsv [1] – the init itself does almost nothing. Even the simple things like respawning of the processes are handled

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Sander Jansen wrote: > So I installed it today and tried it out.  I still have to play with > it some more.  Some initial impressions: Thanks for the comments! > - If you installed vala 0.10, systemd-git won't build, even though gtk > is disabled. This is a bug i

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011/1/21 Yaro Kasear : >> > Also, how does that work? Do you choose an init at some point? >> >> I believe its been mentioned that you'd just alter the boot parameters >> in grub (or lilo if you use that). > > Is this in the wiki? Yes. Let me know if it is unclear. -t

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > 1. A possible loss of control over my system due to many unnecessary > automations and dynamizations. I agree that the user should be in control of his system. If you find any examples of loss of control, please file bug reports or send an ema

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > [...] if > apache is patched can this behaviour of systemd be turned off? Yes (as a rule of thumb: fancy functionality that you don't like can almost always be turned off). Sorry if I missed some questions in any of my previous emails. Cheer

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > I certainly can't fault that part. That's probably open source's greatest > strength. ESR called it "Linus' Law" and he explained it succinctly in the > CatB paper. My concern is about how cooperative and willing to fix known > issues upstream

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:30:53 +0100 schrieb Philipp Überbacher : > Now I know what avahi and PA does, and I don't have a user for either, > yet they are there. I don't have the slightest idea what CK and PK > does, they don't have any tangible benefit for me, yet they are there. > I'm not sure whet

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Am Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:53:50 -0700 schrieb Brendan Long : > Yeah PulseAudio sucks so bad that just about everyone uses it now. Do > you really think that the people behind nearly every major distro are > stupid enough to use it as the default if it didn't do anything? > > A lot of PA's issues cam

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Excerpts from Heiko Baums's message of 2011-01-21 03:07:27 +0100: > Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:03:23 +0800 > schrieb Ng Oon-Ee : > > > This talk is probably a year or so out of date however. Try pulseaudio > > now, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You'd also have noticed > > that actual bug rep

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:16:34 +0100 Jan Steffens wrote: > Arch's init system is completely ignorant of dependencies. Depends on how you look at it, I guess. I see the explicit ordering and backgrounding of daemons (done by the user) in rc.conf as a (very crude) form of "dependency/parallelisation

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 21 January 2011 16:49, Auguste Pop wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: >> On 21 January 2011 16:43, John K Pate wrote: >>> > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd&do_Search=Go http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd-arch-units-g

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 21 January 2011 16:43, John K Pate wrote: >> >>> > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd&do_Search=Go >>> >>> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd-arch-units-git&do_Search=Go >>> >> >> http://aur.archlinux.org/pa

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 21 January 2011 16:43, John K Pate wrote: > >> > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd&do_Search=Go >> >> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd-arch-units-git&do_Search=Go >> > > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=40419 > > They just didn't put "-git" on the en

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

> > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd&do_Search=Go > > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd-arch-units-git&do_Search=Go > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=40419 They just didn't put "-git" on the end, but it is a git package JKP -- The University of

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 21 January 2011 16:21, KESHAV P.R. wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 13:43, Ray Rashif wrote: >> On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen wrote: >>> You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and >>> initscripts-systemd-git. It will not conflict with the standard >>> init

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 13:43, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and >> initscripts-systemd-git. It will not conflict with the standard >> initscripts package, and you can switch back and forth b

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen wrote: > You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and > initscripts-systemd-git. It will not conflict with the standard > initscripts package, and you can switch back and forth by making the > change in GRUB during boot. There is no

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 01/20/2011 05:44 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > Maybe I would like to see systemd in action. My concerns are that this one > person has a track record (With PA and Avahi) of making subpar daemons that > fix non-existant problems in Linux. Yeah PulseAudio sucks so bad that just about everyone uses it

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:16:34 +0100 schrieb Jan Steffens : > Parallel *is* faster because the kernel can put all those reads into > an optimal order. Also, the obvious multiprocessing. Is this done by the kernel? Means, does systemd use this kernel feature? Arch's and Gentoo's sysv init don't do i

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 03:18 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:11:40 +0800 > schrieb Ng Oon-Ee : > > > Specifically on this topic, I've noticed that the latest Ubuntu > > (which I setup on an old laptop for someone else) boots up REALLY > > fast, faster than Arch on this newer, mor

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:11:40 +0800 schrieb Ng Oon-Ee : > Specifically on this topic, I've noticed that the latest Ubuntu > (which I setup on an old laptop for someone else) boots up REALLY > fast, faster than Arch on this newer, more capable machine. > > I've not really put much effort into strea

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > 3. Parallel booting (staring several daemons parallel at boot time) can > make booting significantly slower particularly on older and slower > systems. Serial is quite often a lot faster than parallel. The harddisk > can only make one read or w

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 03:07 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > > I'm quite satisfied with the current sysv init. It does everything > which is needed to be done at boottime. And the init process simply is > only for booting the system and for nothing else. > > Btw., Ubuntu with its upstart or systemd is

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:03:23 +0800 schrieb Ng Oon-Ee : > This talk is probably a year or so out of date however. Try pulseaudio > now, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You'd also have noticed > that actual bug reports on our forums/ML etc. concerning pulseaudio > have dropped to close to ni

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

C Anthony Risinger (2011-01-20 11:45): > i shot of a couple emails to drum up some comments regarding this > proposal. to recap, here are some observations/pros/cons, feel free > to add/remove/review/dispute because try as i might, i'm biased; let > me be the first to say it :-) > > sysvinit [ PR

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:09:43 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > > (snip) > > > >> - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really > >> easy to test with

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > (snip) >> >> - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really >> easy to test without breaking the system. > > You can do this? I might try it out. If it wor

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:05:23 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:55 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > > (snip) > > > > > - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really > > > easy to test witho

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:03:23 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: (snip) > This talk is probably a year or so out of date however. Try pulseaudio > now, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You'd also have noticed > that actual bug reports on our forums/ML etc. concerning pulseaudio have > dropped to c

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:55 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > (snip) > > > > - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really > > easy to test without breaking the system. > > You can do this? I might try it out. If

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:25 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > I, personally, have never worked with him. I have seen enough criticism of > Pulse Audio, for example, getting handwaved and pinned on someone else's > project. I think about it logically: > > If it works fine with ALSA, why did it inexpli

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: (snip) > > - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really > easy to test without breaking the system. You can do this? I might try it out. If it works as expected in its stage of development, I'll quick being

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. > > At the moment I think the support is complete, and for me it has been > 100% stable for some time. That said, much more widespread testing is > required before it ca

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:38:08 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > 2011/1/20 Yaro Kasear : > > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:27:04 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:52 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > >> > I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy > >> > behind i

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011/1/20 Yaro Kasear : > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:27:04 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: >> On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:52 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: >> > I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind >> > it is Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init system >> >

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:27:04 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:52 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind > > it is Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init system > > that'll be in perpetual beta,

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:52 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind it > is > Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init system that'll be in > perpetual beta, and more passing off the buck on bug reports to > distributi

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thursday, January 20, 2011 05:45:46 pm Tom Gundersen wrote: (snip) > @Yaro: > > 1) In my experience Lennart has been a pleasure to work with. > I, personally, have never worked with him. I have seen enough criticism of Pulse Audio, for example, getting handwaved and pinned on someone else'

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:34 PM,   wrote: >> After years of problems and frustration,for the last two or >> three years we (the people using such audio apps on Linux) >> have finally got a system that allows normal users to do this >> (using u

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Jan Steffens wrote: > Note that grouping processes using cgroups does not imply having to > use the group scheduler . IIRC systemd uses a debugging hierarchy by > default which does not affect program resources. This is correct. If you want, systemd can put your

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:34 PM, wrote: > After years of problems and frustration,for the last two or > three years we (the people using such audio apps on Linux) > have finally got a system that allows normal users to do this > (using ulimits and just two lines in /etc/security/limits.conf > giv

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Never mind about what I said. I'm just having a bad day. Can someone give me a more clear idea on why we might need systemd? It doesn't look like it'd fit with the Arch Way, and, well, SysV Init isn't exactly broken, and if it isn't broken, why fix it?

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind it is Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init system that'll be in perpetual beta, and more passing off the buck on bug reports to distributions/drivers/whatever.

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:10 PM, wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 02:54:24PM -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:34 PM,   wrote: >> > >> > So here's my question: will a system using systemd still allow >> > this, *without* requiring source modifications to each and every

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 02:54:24PM -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:34 PM, wrote: > > > > So here's my question: will a system using systemd still allow > > this, *without* requiring source modifications to each and every > > application (to join a specific cgroup), a

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:34 PM, wrote: > > So here's my question: will a system using systemd still allow > this, *without* requiring source modifications to each and every > application (to join a specific cgroup), and *whitout* every > application requiring real-time or memory locks to be 'reg

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 02:11:49PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > At the moment I think the support is complete, and for me it has been > 100% stable for some time. That said, much more widespread testing is > required before it can really be said to be stable (so any testing and > bug reporting wo

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > ) rc.conf either needs to go, or we find a way to update systemd when > it changes... Thanks for the summary! I'd like to comment on this one. At the moment we aim to support rc.conf to the extent it makes sense. If/when rc.conf changes

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On 21 January 2011 01:48, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> >> systemd [PROS] There needs to be a real alternative to rc.conf. I do not want something that will need rc.conf to "go" anywhere. One central configuration file.

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > systemd [PROS] oh, forgot to mention all the bugs developers would NO LONGER have to deal with regarding several aspects of the init process. more time for devs... we all like that idea right? there are other more interesting probl

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. > > At the moment I think the support is complete, and for me it has been > 100% stable for some time. That said, much more widespread testing is > required before it ca

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:34 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > 2011/1/20 Ng Oon-Ee : > > That would be me. This above only holds if we don't utilize the > > initscripts, right? I understood from the forum thread that using those > > there'd be 'no turning back'. Never took the time to understand WHY, bu

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011/1/20 Ng Oon-Ee : > That would be me. This above only holds if we don't utilize the > initscripts, right? I understood from the forum thread that using those > there'd be 'no turning back'. Never took the time to understand WHY, but > that's the impression I took away. No, we completely refact

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:11 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. Very much appreciated, thank you! > > Regarding people who are worried about getting an unbootable system: > systemd and sysvinit can (and should) be installed in pa

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Hi everyone, I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. At the moment I think the support is complete, and for me it has been 100% stable for some time. That said, much more widespread testing is required before it can really be said to be stable (so any testing and bug reporting wou

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Cody Maloney wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:22 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> >> ... so, anyone out there to support or refute this observation (with actual >> experience ...) > > Better is a matter of opinion. From what I've gathered about systemd > it make

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:22 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Jan 19, 2011 7:13 PM, "Ng Oon-Ee" wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 17:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: >> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier > wrote: >> > > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Jan 19, 2011 7:13 PM, "Ng Oon-Ee" wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 17:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier wrote: > > > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : > > >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 17:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier wrote: > > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : > >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger > > wrote: > >> > Any ideas when will Arch switch to

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier wrote: > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger > wrote: >> > Any ideas when will Arch switch to systemd based booting system ? >> >> oh, and the last couple pages i

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to systemd based booting system ? > > oh, and the last couple pages in the forum sound promising in regards > to arch specific unit

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to systemd based booting system ? oh, and the last couple pages in the forum sound promising in regards to arch specific unit files, though i'd have to look closer as i haven't had a chance to try syste

[arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

so-and-so has already embraced it (plus it's super awesome/useful :-) Any ideas when will Arch switch to systemd based booting system ? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=96316 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd http://0pointer.