On 6/18/20 7:15 PM, Chris Billington via arch-general wrote:
> I haven't seen this mentioned yet which makes me wonder if I've
> misunderstood, but isn't it already the case that bash runs in a
> posix-compatible mode if executed as /bin/sh?
>
> I remember a bug a while back [1] that broke graphic
On 06/18/2020 01:12 AM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
> Among other things, it serves as a handy way to tell when you first
> installed the system. :)
>
> I have so many better places to save 5mb of disk space, this doesn't
> even register in the top 400.
Gotcha -- and so it shall be stric
I haven't seen this mentioned yet which makes me wonder if I've
misunderstood, but isn't it already the case that bash runs in a
posix-compatible mode if executed as /bin/sh?
I remember a bug a while back [1] that broke graphical login because
flatpak used a bashism in an X startup script. Does th
On 19/06/2020 00.18, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>
> I've provided rationale why I don't believe it will break much, you
> *agree* with me, and yet you say my arguments don't hold water?
>
Heh, I'm too tired to get into a detailed debate, but it's very possible
to be right for the wrong
On 6/18/20 6:06 PM, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> On 18/06/2020 18.22, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>>> And nearly everybody who has to write this quickly will do it wrong.
>>
>> And yet, some do not. Some write elegant, simple POSIX sh scripts which
>> do it right. For example, people often fo
On 6/18/20 6:00 PM, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> On 18/06/2020 06.33, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> You pulled this assertion out of thin air, do you have any proof that it
>> "breaks more than a decade of setups"?
>
> OP is the one making an assertion, so the burden of proof is on them.
>
On 18/06/2020 18.22, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
> On 6/18/20 12:08 PM, li...@2ion.de wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:17:08PM +0100, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
>>> But switching to dash would also be about security, as less code means
>>> less bugs [5].
>>
>> Usage of a more conc
On 18/06/2020 06.33, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
> On 6/18/20 12:11 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> On 06/17/2020 01:18 PM, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
>>> Today I set dash as my default shell [1] on two PCs. We will see if I
>>> get into trouble.
>>>
>>> This question was asked years ag
On 17/06/2020 21.27, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 20:19, Kusoneko wrote:
>
>> Pretty much this, to be honest. I don't really see the point of changing
>> everyone's /bin/sh for one person's personal preference when there isn't
>> really any point in doing so to begin
Also I think some people here wrote, that they used dash as /bin/sh for
years without problems.
I personally also prefer dash as /bin/sh, but I dont think the
pacman-trigger approach described in the wiki is a clean way of doing
it.
I dont know the arch packaging a lot, but I think a package which
On 6/18/20 12:08 PM, li...@2ion.de wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:17:08PM +0100, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
>> But switching to dash would also be about security, as less code means
>> less bugs [5].
>
> Usage of a more concise, powerful and clean shell language is much more
> suitable a
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:17:08PM +0100, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
> But switching to dash would also be about security, as less code means
> less bugs [5].
Usage of a more concise, powerful and clean shell language is much more
suitable as a point when bringing forth an argument of there b
Am 18.06.20 um 16:26 schrieb Eli Schwartz via arch-general:
> That seems a bit confusing :/ since it appears to only be used when
> migrating away from a previously configured Oxygen selection. Does
> anything else actually hardcode this? This dependency IMO should have
> been a post_upgrade messag
On 6/18/20 9:56 AM, Damjan Georgievski via arch-general wrote:
>>> noto-fonts is pulled as a dependency of plasma-integration, but I
>>> don't want it installed since it takes over the default fonts (ships
>>> an aggressive fontconfig configuration) for many websites, and looks
>>> quite bad *for m
> > noto-fonts is pulled as a dependency of plasma-integration, but I
> > don't want it installed since it takes over the default fonts (ships
> > an aggressive fontconfig configuration) for many websites, and looks
> > quite bad *for me* (on a 14" FHD display).
> > It's also a 90MB package I don't
On 6/18/20 9:30 AM, Damjan Georgievski via arch-general wrote:
> I often find myself using the `assume-installed`[1] option of pacman
> when doing upgrades, since I want to avoid some (for me) nonsensical
> dependencies to be installed.
>
> Is it possible to configure this in some config file, so
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 14:31, Damjan Georgievski via arch-general <
arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote:
> I often find myself using the `assume-installed`[1] option of pacman
> when doing upgrades, since I want to avoid some (for me) nonsensical
> dependencies to be installed.
>
> Is it possible to
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:30:24 +0200
Damjan Georgievski via arch-general wrote:
> I often find myself using the `assume-installed`[1] option of pacman
> when doing upgrades, since I want to avoid some (for me) nonsensical
> dependencies to be installed.
>
> Is it possible to configure this in some
I often find myself using the `assume-installed`[1] option of pacman
when doing upgrades, since I want to avoid some (for me) nonsensical
dependencies to be installed.
Is it possible to configure this in some config file, so I don't have
to remember to type it all the time?
[1]
sudo pacman -Sy
Another proper consideration is continuity of development. If a death
causes a shell to become abandonware as a result of a developer failing
to arrange for another to take the project on updates if they happen at
all will take some time.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
> Da
On 17/06/2020 21:27, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
The reasons Ubuntu switched in 2006 and Debian in 2011 were speed,
less bugs and more security. A simple benchmark I ran with several
shells using konsole (which is one of the fastest terminals according
to my simple benchmarks):
time ls -R /
> This is more of what is the recommended practice ... for handling pacman.log?
Mine is 10 years old, is 7MB. On a 1TB drive. Why would you ever want
to remove it? After 1000 years it will be 700MB, not even 0.1% of the drive.
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On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:21 PM David C. Rankin
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> As a general note, http://paste.opensuse.org/ provides a quick pastebin type
> site for temporary uploads where you can limit the lifetime for 1-week,
> 1-month, etc... Image uploads and language syntax highlighting is provided for
> code/
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 07:51, Ralf Mardorf via arch-general <
arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote:
> annoying to use search with 'grep'. However, since the file is that
> small and the complete history could become important, I don't remove it.
>
Same here, I made some awk scripts to format it but
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