Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Jason Ryan via arch-general
On 22/09/16 at 08:47am, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Everybody is able to participate at the Arch wiki... Ralf touches a very intriguing argument here, which might just boil this thread down to "telling others how to structure their

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Everybody is able to participate at the Arch wiki... Ralf touches a very intriguing argument here, which might just boil this thread down to "telling others how to structure their wiki". As someone who hasn't looked at the guides in question

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Jason Ryan via arch-general
On 22/09/16 at 04:49am, mick wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 > Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > > >see below > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > > >arch-general@archlinux.org> wr

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Jason Ryan via arch-general
On 21/09/16 at 09:53pm, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 > Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > > >see below > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > > >arch-gen

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:53:53 -0700, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: >I personally know many experienced Linux users (whom I consider far >more experienced than myself) who can't tell you which desktop >environment they prefer. Most are using command line anyway and light weight window manager

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Kyle Terrien via arch-general
On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 04:55:19 + Sajjad Heydari via arch-general wrote: > It has been merged with the installation guide. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 9:23 AM David C. Rankin < > drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > > > Archdevs, > > > > I went to review the Beginner's Guide and it was no

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Kyle Terrien via arch-general
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > >see below > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > >arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > >> I believe this change will only serve

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread mick
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > >see below > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > >arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > >> I believe this change will only serv

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Francis Gerund via arch-general
Jason, Thank you for the link to the Beginner's Guide!

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Oon-Ee Ng via arch-general
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide been > saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)? That would not be useful because wiki instructions go out of date over tim

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Jason Ryan via arch-general
On 21/09/16 at 10:46pm, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)? You can see an old revision here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Francis Gerund via arch-general
Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)?

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Doug Newgard
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:01:55 -0400 Dave via arch-general wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Jason Ryan via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote > > This will only alienate new users that are unwilling to read man pag

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread aur basica via arch-general
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Dave via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Jason Ryan via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > > > >> see below > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 21,

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Dave via arch-general
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Jason Ryan via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > >> see below >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < >> arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: >> >> I believe thi

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread D C via arch-general
Someone did mention that the two guides merged, so now that only one list is being maintained, they can focus on making the one list more comprehensive. On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Dave via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > see below > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Fra

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Jason Ryan via arch-general
On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: see below On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: I believe this change will only serve to alienate potential new users, I strongly agree. This will only alienate new users th

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Dave via arch-general
see below On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > IMHO, for new users, the "Installation Guide" is not, never has been, and > may never be a substitute for the Beginner's Guide. As a new Arch user, I completely agree. > > I bel

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Francis Gerund via arch-general
[EDIT: in the previous post, the phrase "snip hunt" should of course been "snipe hunt".] On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund wrote: > Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide > been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)?

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Francis Gerund via arch-general
Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)? IMHO, for new users, the "Installation Guide" is not, never has been, and may never be a substitute for the Beginner's Guide. The Installation Guide do

Re: [arch-general] Error when starting Opera

2016-09-21 Thread Francis Gerund via arch-general
Thanks guys. Fortunately, I was able to remember the old password for the "Login" keyring. So I was able to change it from within Seahorse (the "Passwords and Keys" application program in Gnome). So that problem is solved. But . . . while in Seahorse, I realized that in the "Certificates" sect

Re: [arch-general] Supermicro cd/dvd inst error: ARCH_201603 device did not show up after 30 seconds

2016-09-21 Thread Mauro Santos via arch-general
Have you tried with the latest install ISO? You also seem to have physical access to the hardware, any special reason why you have to use optical media instead of a usb flash drive? -- Mauro Santos

Re: [arch-general] Error when starting Opera

2016-09-21 Thread Lukas Rose
> On 21 Sep 2016, at 04:29, Francis Gerund via arch-general > wrote: > > "Enter password to unlock you login keyring > > The password you use to log in to your computer no > longer matches that of your login keyring." If it asks for the password of the login key ring, it'so probably trying to

Re: [arch-general] Error when starting Opera

2016-09-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 22:29:14 -0400, Francis Gerund wrote: >I did a lengthy configuration of Opera, then re-started it. Same >error. I re-installed Opera using pacman -Rsn. Same error. And after moving away or deleting $HOME/.config/opera ? I get tons of error messages and a stack trace when lau