Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a?singular package

2012-08-26 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 08:24:21AM +0200, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: > Heiko Baums wrote: > > Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 > schrieb Dave Reisner : > > > I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed > > on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide e

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-26 Thread Sven-Hendrik Haase
Heiko Baums wrote: Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 schrieb Dave Reisner : > I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed > on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough > audience. Some of you have probably already noticed that systemd 189 > now

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-26 Thread Ike Devolder
Op maandag 27 augustus 2012 07:59:52 schreef Heiko Baums: > Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 > > schrieb Dave Reisner : > > I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed > > on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough > > audience. Some of you hav

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-26 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 07:59:52AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 > schrieb Dave Reisner : > > > I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed > > on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough > > audience. Some of you

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-26 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 schrieb Dave Reisner : > I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed > on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough > audience. Some of you have probably already noticed that systemd 189 > now provides, conflicts,

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread Curtis Shimamoto
On 08/26/12 at 10:17pm, Chris Evans wrote: > > > > > > From: rafael ff1 > To: General Discussion about Arch Linux > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll > > 2012/8/27 C Anthony Risinger : > > On Sat, Aug 25, 201

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread Chris Evans
From: rafael ff1 To: General Discussion about Arch Linux Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll 2012/8/27 C Anthony Risinger : > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> A bum on

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread rafael ff1
2012/8/27 C Anthony Risinger : > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> A bum on the street might not be a reliable source of information, but >> he/she might still be saying the truth. Cops wouldn't take their word >> at face value (or almost anyone for that

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > [...] > > A bum on the street might not be a reliable source of information, but > he/she might still be saying the truth. Cops wouldn't take their word > at face value (or almost anyone for that matter), but if a bum says > there was a

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread Curtis Shimamoto
On 08/26/12 at 07:55pm, Bigby James wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Felipe Contreras < > felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Bigby James wrote: > > > > > Having watched this thread (and the "Beware" thread) for some time, I can > > > say without equ

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread Bigby James
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Bigby James wrote: > > > Having watched this thread (and the "Beware" thread) for some time, I can > > say without equivocation that Felipe is not trying to "reason" with > >

Re: [arch-general] iptables forward policy

2012-08-26 Thread Peter Baldridge
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Juan Diego Tascón wrote: > Is there any way to debug iptables, Juan, Another good way to debug IPTables (if you can limit the traffic to the box to just what you are troubleshooting) use the command : sudo iptables -Z && sudo watch -n .5 iptables -nvL ^zeros t

Re: [arch-general] iptables forward policy

2012-08-26 Thread Bastian Beischer
Dear Juan, see the section on logging in the wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Iptables#Logging Cheers Bastian On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Juan Diego Tascón wrote: > Thanks for both replies. The graphic does it a lot more > understandable. Is there any way to debug iptables, I me

Re: [arch-general] iptables forward policy

2012-08-26 Thread Juan Diego Tascón
Thanks for both replies. The graphic does it a lot more understandable. Is there any way to debug iptables, I mean, like a tool where I can visualize the path of a packet and where exactly it gets dropped/accepted and also realtime packets headers (src, dst, proto, dport, sport, etc)? On Sat, Aug

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 03:34:00PM +0200, R??my Oudompheng wrote: > The cumulated amount of time spent on these endless discussions has > now almost certainly get past the amount of time necessary to fix > initscripts. init scripts are irredeemable. The argument is more one of whether systemd is

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012-08-26 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:19:00AM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > For all its faults, being incapabel of giving you a boot > > time advantage is _not_ one of them. > > Yes, that's *in theory*, but in practice that's not what I see, and I > already investigated the culprit: It's more like "if

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
The cumulated amount of time spent on these endless discussions has now almost certainly get past the amount of time necessary to fix initscripts. Fix them instead of feeding trolls. Rémy.

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-26 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 07:15:26PM +0530, gt wrote: > Maybe you can test the AUR package and see if works as good as your own > setup, and maybe you can contribute to that package if you ever find the > time to do so. What I'd offer to the AUR is run scripts for common services like apache, sshd,

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-26 Thread Bjoern Franke
Hi, > > We should probably add [1] to our 3.5.3 kernel as well, if it isn't int > he stable kernel already. According to the bug report, this will fix > your problem. This would be nice. Yes, the issue seems to be fixed in 3.6rc3, it doesn't appear on my laptop. regards Bjoern -- xmpp: b...@sc