[arch-general] Chromium usage of KDE proxy fixed

2012-08-11 Thread Jayesh Badwaik
Hi, Just realized that chromium now uses the KDE proxy settings properly now. :-) Awesome work. Thanks to whoever did it. :-) :-) -- Cheers and Regards Jayesh Badwaik stop html mail | always bottom-post www.asciiribbon.org | www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 03:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 02:43 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen > > wrote: > > > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because > > > that setup can't be maintained when a second

Re: [arch-general] Why is scribus installing gimp-light-2.6.11?

2012-08-11 Thread rafael ff1
2012/8/11 Leonid Isaev : > On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:29:46 -0500 > "David C. Rankin" wrote: > >> On 08/10/2012 02:25 AM, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: >> > I can't believe this. You are an Arch user and it never occurred to >> > you that you should go check with a pacman -Ss gimp-light, and then >> > when

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 02:43 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because > > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing > > which can happen at any time. Suppose that fi

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > This is completely sick. Any audio engineer trying to > use a mixer that way would (and should) be fired for > gross incompetence - immediately. Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who is sick of PA, but for on

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: >> This is not correct. If the app has proper PA support (such as all KDE >> apps, and probably all gnome apps), then PA does the app specific >> mixing, not the app itself. > > That doesn't stop the app from having its own internal volume >

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 02:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 02:28 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:37 AM, David Benfell > > wrote: > > > How much of this is the distribution and how much of this is gnome? > > > > Mostly upstream (depends of course a bit

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 02:28 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:37 AM, David Benfell > wrote: > > How much of this is the distribution and how much of this is gnome? > > Mostly upstream (depends of course a bit on which package you have in > mind). If an app links against libp

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:37 AM, David Benfell wrote: > How much of this is the distribution and how much of this is gnome? Mostly upstream (depends of course a bit on which package you have in mind). If an app links against libpulse it means that it would crash if libpulse is not installed, so w

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 01:41 +0200, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because > > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing > > which can happen at any time. Suppose that fir

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 01:41:01AM +0200, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because > > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing > > which can happen at any time. Suppose t

Re: [arch-general] systemd fsck

2012-08-11 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/11/2012 05:26 AM, Aurko Roy wrote: > > An error code of 8 for fsck means an operational error/general > failure. Do you get this error every time you boot or is it a one > off thing? Have you tried running it manually? > To the first question,

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Mauro Santos
On 12-08-2012 00:41, Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/11/2012 07:37 PM, Mauro Santos wrote: >> On 11-08-2012 23:33, Baho Utot wrote: >>> On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > So imagine the average desktop user who gets five o

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 00:15 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of > > them: > > > > - one provided by the application (player or something) > > - one provided by PA or similar, > > - pro

Re: [arch-general] KDE and plasma-desktop CPU usage

2012-08-11 Thread Leon Feng
2012/8/12 Shridhar Daithankar : > On Saturday 11 Aug 2012 5:59:58 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 19:40 +0530, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: >> > Google is not much of help. Any suggestions before I report the bug >> > upstream? >> "pacman -Rdd phonon-gstreamer >> pacman -S phonon-vlc"

Re: [arch-general] systemd fsck

2012-08-11 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/11/2012 04:09 AM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:27 AM, David Benfell > wrote: >> 2) But I did notice an error that worried me--just because it >> looks worrying--as it came up: >> >> Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[27

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 07:37 PM, Mauro Santos wrote: On 11-08-2012 23:33, Baho Utot wrote: On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of them: - one provided by the application (player o

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Jan Steffens
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing > which can happen at any time. Suppose that first (single) app has > its volume set to some low value, and PA

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Mauro Santos
On 11-08-2012 23:33, Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen >> wrote: >>> So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of >>> them: >>> >>> - one provided by the application (player or something) >>> - one pro

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/11/2012 05:48 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > The problem is that it becomes more and more difficult to install a > system without all sorts of (for me and others) useless components > such as PA. The reason is lots of hard dependencies that shou

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:41:24AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control > > an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is > > the output from the app. > > This i

Re: [arch-general] Why is scribus installing gimp-light-2.6.11?

2012-08-11 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:29:46 -0500 "David C. Rankin" wrote: > On 08/10/2012 02:25 AM, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > > I can't believe this. You are an Arch user and it never occurred to > > you that you should go check with a pacman -Ss gimp-light, and then > > when there is no result, check the AUR

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control > an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is > the output from the app. This is not correct. If the app has proper PA support (such as all KDE apps, and p

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of them: - one provided by the application (player or something) - one provided by PA or similar, - probably two by the soundcard mixer,

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:15:14AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of > > them: > > > > - one provided by the application (player or something) > > - one provided by PA or similar, >

Re: [arch-general] Why is scribus installing gimp-light-2.6.11?

2012-08-11 Thread David C. Rankin
On 08/10/2012 02:25 AM, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > I can't believe this. You are an Arch user and it never occurred to > you that you should go check with a pacman -Ss gimp-light, and then > when there is no result, check the AUR? How about a pacman -Si > scribus? > Believe it. Here, the issue

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of > them: > > - one provided by the application (player or something) > - one provided by PA or similar, > - probably two by the soundcard mixer, PA combines these three into one. S

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:02:50PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > With pulse it just takes over the master volume when it try to > adjust audio in an application cranking the master volume to full. > Without pulse it just works the way I like it to be. So count me as > one of the ones who doesn't like

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:21:01 +0200 schrieb Damjan : > not to worry, the whole world of free software developers (including > Arch) are here and have all the time to serve your wishes. Have you thought about that comment before sending it? Heiko

Re: [arch-general] [arch-announce] netcfg-2.8.9 drops initscripts compatibility

2012-08-11 Thread David Hunter
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Arch Linux: Recent news updates: Florian Pritz wrote: > Florian Pritz wrote: > > All interfaces should now be configured in `/etc/conf.d/netcfg` rather than > `/etc/rc.conf`. > > URL: http://www.archlinux.org/news/netcfg-289-drops-initscripts-compatibility/ The ti

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 02:11 PM, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote: On 11 August 2012 19:14, Baho Utot wrote: On 08/11/2012 12:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: I would be surprised if a systemd-based system requires more resources than a sysvinit-based one, but that is of course something one would have to measure for

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Damjan
And I hadn't had time to set up a VM. not to worry, the whole world of free software developers (including Arch) are here and have all the time to serve your wishes. -- дамјан

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:30:09PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > For better or worse, the reality is that there are hard dependencies > on things you don't like. It seems that upstream is unwilling to > change that. Then you should really ask yourself why they take that position. AFAICS, there i

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Kwpolska
*grabs popcorn* On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > But they take space on my harddisk. And even TB harddisks can get full > some day. And not everybody is able to afford a new one at once. [kwpolska@kwpolska-lin ~]% du -sh /usr/lib/systemd 3.6M/usr/lib/systemd Seriously?

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread SanskritFritz
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:24 AM, fredbezies wrote: > >> 2012/8/11 Andreas Radke : >> > I've updated the PKGBUILD.36 files for libreoffice and libreoffice-i18n >> > in svn trunk. >> > >> > Every user should now be able to build the new vers

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Lukas Jirkovsky
On 11 August 2012 19:14, Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/11/2012 12:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> >> I would be surprised if a systemd-based system requires more resources >> than a sysvinit-based one, but that is of course something one would >> have to measure for each particular use-case. >> >> There

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 13:59 -0400, Brandon Watkins wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > > > My point is the constant bloat with software today. Theses bloated > > packages will not fit/function on hand held devices. > > > You were quite specific with your point here, and I

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > My point is the constant bloat with software today. Theses bloated > packages will not fit/function on hand held devices. > You were quite specific with your point here, and I disagree.

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 01:41 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote: I think people are really exaggerating how "bloated" systemd is. I fail to see how systemd would have issues running on mobile devices, if anything its more optimized for embedded devices. You didn't understand my point

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:24 AM, fredbezies wrote: > 2012/8/11 Andreas Radke : > > I've updated the PKGBUILD.36 files for libreoffice and libreoffice-i18n > > in svn trunk. > > > > Every user should now be able to build the new version. > > > > -Andy > > Thanks. I've tweaked them yesterday, and s

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Brandon Watkins
I think people are really exaggerating how "bloated" systemd is. I fail to see how systemd would have issues running on mobile devices, if anything its more optimized for embedded devices.

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote: > I'm afraid its going to happen unless you know of a way to make gmail stop > top-posting :p You can e.g. scroll down to the end of the message you're replying to ...

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread Brandon Watkins
I'm afraid its going to happen unless you know of a way to make gmail stop top-posting :p On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote: > > Yeah, it does work. I had a read a few posts earlier saying that > spellcheck > > was "b

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 19:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 11:17 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > > tablets and i* devices are toys > > The hardware capabilities aren't used very good, but they anyway aren't > toys. For professional audio usage there at least are amazing remote > c

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Jayesh Badwaik
On Saturday 11 Aug 2012 17:51:44 Joakim Hernberg wrote: > "Sievers explained that it will still be possible to install udev > independently of systemd. He added that this option will be supported > in the long term because separate builds are required to ensure that > initrds (initial ramdisks), wh

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 11:17 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > tablets and i* devices are toys The hardware capabilities aren't used very good, but they anyway aren't toys. For professional audio usage there at least are amazing remote controls available. Until now I didn't find the kind of graphic app

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 12:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Baho Utot wrote: One thing that the folks/upstream that are merging all these things together is missing is that the future of "user" computer is moving to phones and ipad type devices. PC will still be around but th

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 11:51 AM, Joakim Hernberg wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:30:09 +0200 Tom Gundersen wrote: This is a misrepresentation. Udev and systemd were merged I think mainly because they "belong together", but also because they had cyclic build dependencies as they are very tightly integrate

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Guus Snijders
2012/8/11 Guus Snijders : > 2012/8/11 Heiko Baums : [...] >> And I just don't want this systemd stuff on my harddisk. > > Well, it should be possible to create a system (even Arch!) completely > free of systemd tools. You'd have to rebuild some of the initscripts > and, oh yeah, fire up mknod to

[arch-general] Using ATTR{flags} in udev rules

2012-08-11 Thread Leonid Isaev
Hi, While building an Arch-based wireless router I ran into a problem of persistent NIC naming. To differentiate which interfaces go to WAN and LAN, I have created a simple udev rule like this /etc/udev/rules.d/10-network.rules # On-board NIC (Realtek, r8169) SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTR{address

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Guus Snijders
2012/8/11 Heiko Baums : > Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:02:03 +0200 > schrieb Tom Gundersen : > >> Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have >> surprisingly few systemd/pulseaudio bugs open, considering all the >> noise they create on the ML. Also surprising: a few people mentioned

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:16:46 +0200 Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:56:49 +0200 > schrieb Jelle van der Waa : > > > Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd > > market share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to > > switch to systemd. With these m

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > One thing that the folks/upstream that are merging all these things together > is missing is that the future of "user" computer is moving to phones and > ipad type devices. PC will still be around but the consumer has spoken and > it looks like

Re: [arch-general] systemd fsck

2012-08-11 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:09:03 +0300 Mantas Mikulėnas wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:27 AM, David Benfell > wrote: > > 2) But I did notice an error that worried me--just because it looks > > worrying--as it came up: > > > > Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[270]: /dev/sda3 is mounted. > > Au

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Joakim Hernberg wrote: > "Sievers explained that it will still be possible to install udev > independently of systemd. He added that this option will be supported > in the long term because separate builds are required to ensure that > initrds (initial ramdisks), w

Re: [arch-general] KDE and plasma-desktop CPU usage

2012-08-11 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Saturday 11 Aug 2012 5:59:58 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 19:40 +0530, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > > Google is not much of help. Any suggestions before I report the bug > > upstream? > "pacman -Rdd phonon-gstreamer > pacman -S phonon-vlc" - > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtop

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:59:54 -0400 Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/11/2012 09:30 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > [putolin] > > > I think there is no interest (upstream) in trying to make systemd > > optional forever, so this is a concern you are probably right about. > > However, the suggestions of wha

Re: [arch-general] KDE and plasma-desktop CPU usage

2012-08-11 Thread ashkab rahmani
try google : kde 4 eat cpu it's really helpful ——— Ashkan R On Aug 11, 2012 6:36 PM, "Shridhar Daithankar" wrote: > Hello, > > I recently formatted an acer netbook with intel atom processor, 32 bit, > 1.66GHz/1GB RAM, with arch. I installed kde on it, everything went as > expected. > > However w

Re: [arch-general] KDE and plasma-desktop CPU usage

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 19:40 +0530, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > Hello, > > I recently formatted an acer netbook with intel atom processor, 32 bit, > 1.66GHz/1GB RAM, with arch. I installed kde on it, everything went as > expected. > > However when I log in with a normal user, the KDE start-up c

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:30:09 +0200 Tom Gundersen wrote: > This is a misrepresentation. Udev and systemd were merged I think > mainly because they "belong together", but also because they had > cyclic build dependencies as they are very tightly integrated. It is > not the case that systemd swallow

[arch-general] KDE and plasma-desktop CPU usage

2012-08-11 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
Hello, I recently formatted an acer netbook with intel atom processor, 32 bit, 1.66GHz/1GB RAM, with arch. I installed kde on it, everything went as expected. However when I log in with a normal user, the KDE start-up completes but the splash screen is stuck. plasma-desktop process is eating 1

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/11/2012 09:30 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: [putolin] I think there is no interest (upstream) in trying to make systemd optional forever, so this is a concern you are probably right about. However, the suggestions of what might be merged show that you are either joking or don't know these pr

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 15:30 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > I know for instance that pulseaudio should be able to disable itself > if it finds jackd running No sarcasm, I seriously want to know about this. I only know that this is possible with jackdbus. Can you provide a link or do you mean jackdb

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > The problem is that it becomes more and more difficult to > install a system without all sorts of (for me and others) > useless components such as PA. The reason is lots of hard > dependencies that should be optional extensions instead. > W

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/11 Andreas Radke : > I've updated the PKGBUILD.36 files for libreoffice and libreoffice-i18n > in svn trunk. > > Every user should now be able to build the new version. > > -Andy Thanks. I've tweaked them yesterday, and so far so good. It seems LibO 3.6 is faster on start than 3.5.x. -- F

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 01:35:10PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > How many times does it have to be said, that there are bug reports filed > to upstream which have been ignored by upstream resp. which have been > closed as fixed by first blaming ALSA for the PA problems, even if ALSA > supports thos

Re: [arch-general] systemd fsck

2012-08-11 Thread Aurko Roy
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:57 AM, David Benfell wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > I just moved my desktop to systemd, and saw a couple things as I > booted it for the first time: > > 1) It is *fast*. Let me say that again. It is *fast*. I have never > seen a s

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:56:49 +0200 schrieb Jelle van der Waa : > Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd > market share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to > switch to systemd. With these major distro's taking up systemd, it's > almost impossible that it's

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:02:03 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen : > Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have > surprisingly few systemd/pulseaudio bugs open, considering all the > noise they create on the ML. Is it really that hard to respect other people's opinions and wishes? I

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 19:14 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On 11 Aug 2012 18:53, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 09:45 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > > Have you ever tried to report your problems with PA and your soundcard > > > to upstream? > > > > Have you ever really read what p

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Thanasis Georgiou
On Aug 11, 2012 2:38 PM, "Heiko Baums" wrote: > > Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:47:09 +0300 > schrieb Thanasis Georgiou : > > > So you had a problem but when Tom wrote a patch you were unwilling to > > help test it? > > What part of "I had no time to set up a VM." and "I have only one > stable system whi

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:47:09 +0300 schrieb Thanasis Georgiou : > So you had a problem but when Tom wrote a patch you were unwilling to > help test it? What part of "I had no time to set up a VM." and "I have only one stable system which needs to be stable and reliable." didn't you get? Heiko

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:45:34 +0200 schrieb Jelle van der Waa : > Have you ever tried to report your problems with PA and your soundcard > to upstream? How many times does it have to be said, that there are bug reports filed to upstream which have been ignored by upstream resp. which have been clo

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On 11 Aug 2012 18:53, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 09:45 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > Have you ever tried to report your problems with PA and your soundcard > > to upstream? > > Have you ever really read what people wrote and why we are against it? > > Regards, > Ralf > And

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread Andreas Radke
I've updated the PKGBUILD.36 files for libreoffice and libreoffice-i18n in svn trunk. Every user should now be able to build the new version. -Andy signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [arch-general] systemd fsck

2012-08-11 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:27 AM, David Benfell wrote: > 2) But I did notice an error that worried me--just because it looks > worrying--as it came up: > > Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[270]: /dev/sda3 is mounted. > Aug 09 13:34:36 graton systemd-fsck[270]: e2fsck: Cannot continue, > aborting

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 12:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 09:56 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd market > > share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to switch to > > systemd. With these major dist

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 13:05 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On 11 Aug 2012 08:14, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > >> But using dummy packages is just cheating. > > > > > > So I should do audio productions with a Linux, that is unable to use my > audio card? How should I do this? > > > > Regards, > > Ralf > > B

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 09:56 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd market > share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to switch to > systemd. With these major distro's taking up systemd, it's almost > impossible that it's not

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote: > Yeah, it does work. I had a read a few posts earlier saying that spellcheck > was "broken" in libreoffice 3.6, but it turns out it was all hyperbole, > they were just referring to this bug which is certainly not totally broken > spellcheck:

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On 10/08/12 23:38, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400 > schrieb Brandon Watkins : > >> Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software >> with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the >> author is comparing apples to oranges. > > Sor

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On 11/08/12 02:14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:03:51 +0200, Leonid Isaev > wrote: >> If you disagree file a bugreport. > > Any hints where to file a bug report are welcome. Seemingly nobody is > interested, as already explained by Heiko. > >> But using dummy packages is just che