Re: [arch-general] TeXlive 2012 packages

2012-07-02 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
On 2012/6/26 Rémy Oudompheng wrote: > Hello, > > I am going to put Texlive 2012 packages in [testing]. Texlive 2012 is > not yet released, but it is frozen, so I do not expect changes to > these packages except to fix packaging errors. > Please try them and complain on mailing lists. Don't hesitat

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-02 Thread Damjan
I didn't mean to imply that this was a simple problem to solve (and I agree with your aim for what that's worth). Simply that we do not want to make political decisions at all. I didn't want to get into this discussion, but I've seen this claim made several times. Siding with UN (or any other p

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-02 Thread Damjan
My setup was with dcron and ntp. Considering servers don't get chance to run the RTC battery down. I've never understood why everyone uses NTP RTC is only read on boot-up on all Linux systems. And from what I've seen they are fairly inaccurate. Otherwise, the Linux kernel counts its own tim

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-02 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Mauro Santos wrote: > Google does run ntp on their network to keep all the machines in sync, > otherwise stuff stops working, so i guess ntp is not that evil or at > least it has its uses. http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Leap-second-Linux-can-freeze-1629805.

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-02 Thread Mauro Santos
On 02-07-2012 23:58, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >>> My setup was with dcron and ntp. >> >> Considering servers don't get chance to run the RTC battery down. I've >> never understood why everyone uses NTP which is an unneeded >> security risk anyway (OpenBSDs ain't bad). Do we think, in 1938-1945 men >>

[arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-02 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, I've just recently learned about the relatively new file "/etc/os-release" and have to say that I quite like it. The previous situation was a mess at best, so this is a great way for unifying. systemd is really great in that regard. To my great astonishment it was already included into Arch ab

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-02 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > My setup was with dcron and ntp. > > Considering servers don't get chance to run the RTC battery down. I've > never understood why everyone uses NTP which is an unneeded > security risk anyway (OpenBSDs ain't bad). Do we think, in 1938-1945 men > couldn't synchronise watches without NTP? Saves

Re: [arch-general] shadow upgrade 4.1.5.1-1. /pam configuration files

2012-07-02 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> TY for help and hints, as PAM and shadow are both quite obscure to me > when it comes to configure. Needlessly too and it's not on it's own. Unix philosophy of write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-02 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> My setup was with dcron and ntp. Considering servers don't get chance to run the RTC battery down. I've never understood why everyone uses NTP which is an unneeded security risk anyway (OpenBSDs ain't bad). Do we think, in 1938-1945 men couldn't synchronise watches without NTP? Saves checking I

Re: [arch-general] Custom libexecdir not recommended for gnome

2012-07-02 Thread Ionut Biru
On 07/03/2012 01:17 AM, Clemens Buchacher wrote: > On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 11:43:28PM +0300, Ionut Biru wrote: >> >> I'm using myself pptp plugin from networkmanager and I don't have your >> issue. > > And you are also using gnome-shell and have configured "Always ask" for > the password? Note sur

Re: [arch-general] Custom libexecdir not recommended for gnome

2012-07-02 Thread Clemens Buchacher
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 11:43:28PM +0300, Ionut Biru wrote: > > I'm using myself pptp plugin from networkmanager and I don't have your > issue. And you are also using gnome-shell and have configured "Always ask" for the password? Note sure if this problem exists only recently, but here are the ve

Re: [arch-general] Installing to RAID .. cannot reboot

2012-07-02 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/02/2012 02:42 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: I have finally reached the point where the various /dev/md devices mount during the reboot Now I get a large number of error messages of the form: init: failed to create pty - disabling logging for job and: could not load /lib/modules/3.4.4-2-

Re: [arch-general] Installing to RAID .. cannot reboot

2012-07-02 Thread D. R. Evans
D. R. Evans said the following at 06/20/2012 11:27 AM : > I have carefully followed the RAID instructions at: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Software_RAID_and_LVM#RAID_installation > > I have not used LVM, just RAID. I have double-checked what I actually did, and > believe that I did exa

Re: [arch-general] cpufreq stopped working

2012-07-02 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:23:37 -0400 Martin Zecher wrote: > Thanks a lot Leonid. > > When I said that the problem also happened with kernel 3.3.8, I was wrong > (because that time I forgot modprobing acpi_cpufreq). So, I just tested > different kernel versions and this started happening with 3.4.0;

[arch-general] Asked for PIN during pairing of Bluetooth mouse

2012-07-02 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, I'm pretty sure that this is an upstream issue, but to narrow things down and to verify and/or falsify my experience, I'm asking here first. Basically it is about my Bluetooth mouse (Speedlink Saphyr Bluetooth). I paired it some time ago (half a year or something like that) and it worked fine

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-02 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/02/2012 12:13 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: On 02/07/12 19:09, mike cloaked wrote: >There has been a fair amount of disruption to systems over a >widespread geographic area due to the mutex leap second bug from >midnight Saturday, and from what I read this was triggered by ntpd >calling spe

Re: [arch-general] A question specifically about upgrading an existing arch system from grub legacy to grub without UEFI or GPT

2012-07-02 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On Jul 2, 2012 5:48 PM, "mike cloaked" wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:39 PM, gt wrote: > > > Why do you need to upgrade to grub2? Even if grub-legacy won't be in the > > official repositories, it'll be in the AUR. Also, you don't need to > > reinstall grub every now and then, so i don't see

Re: [arch-general] CUPS not recognizing the printer

2012-07-02 Thread Squall Lionheart
> > Greetings all, > > I have an HP LaserJet M1132 hooked via a USB port. > It worked quite fine until my recent -Syu, where it suddenly stopped > working. Since I had hplip upgraded, I assumed I have to reinstall the > printer, so I removed it via the CUPS webinterface and right now I can't > seem

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-02 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On 02/07/12 19:09, mike cloaked wrote: > There has been a fair amount of disruption to systems over a > widespread geographic area due to the mutex leap second bug from > midnight Saturday, and from what I read this was triggered by ntpd > calling specific routines from the kernel - does anyone kno

[arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-02 Thread mike cloaked
There has been a fair amount of disruption to systems over a widespread geographic area due to the mutex leap second bug from midnight Saturday, and from what I read this was triggered by ntpd calling specific routines from the kernel - does anyone know if the same bug has also hit systems using ch

Re: [arch-general] shadow upgrade 4.1.5.1-1. /pam configuration files

2012-07-02 Thread Arno Gaboury
On 07/02/2012 06:47 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Leaving the old file in place should work. Also replacing it with the new one should work. I guess you did something in between? On Jul 2, 2012 5:27 PM, "Arno Gaboury" wrote: Dear list, I messed up my box yesterday when upgrading shadow, and trying

Re: [arch-general] A question specifically about upgrading an existing arch system from grub legacy to grub without UEFI or GPT

2012-07-02 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:39 PM, gt wrote: > Why do you need to upgrade to grub2? Even if grub-legacy won't be in the > official repositories, it'll be in the AUR. Also, you don't need to > reinstall grub every now and then, so i don't see the need to upgrade. OK if the general policy will be tha

Re: [arch-general] shadow upgrade 4.1.5.1-1. /pam configuration files

2012-07-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
Leaving the old file in place should work. Also replacing it with the new one should work. I guess you did something in between? On Jul 2, 2012 5:27 PM, "Arno Gaboury" wrote: > Dear list, > > I messed up my box yesterday when upgrading shadow, and trying to > understand and merge /etc/pam.d/login

Re: [arch-general] A question specifically about upgrading an existing arch system from grub legacy to grub without UEFI or GPT

2012-07-02 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:26 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > I have been following the discussions in various places including on > this list about the forthcoming change from grub to become grub-legacy > and the default bootloader becoming grub2. > > On all my arch systems I have grub with MBR partition

Re: [arch-general] A question specifically about upgrading an existing arch system from grub legacy to grub without UEFI or GPT

2012-07-02 Thread gt
On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 05:26:23PM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: > I have been following the discussions in various places including on > this list about the forthcoming change from grub to become grub-legacy > and the default bootloader becoming grub2. > > On all my arch systems I have grub with MBR

[arch-general] A question specifically about upgrading an existing arch system from grub legacy to grub without UEFI or GPT

2012-07-02 Thread mike cloaked
I have been following the discussions in various places including on this list about the forthcoming change from grub to become grub-legacy and the default bootloader becoming grub2. On all my arch systems I have grub with MBR partitioning, booting to BIOS initially - and none of my systems is mod

Re: [arch-general] cpufreq stopped working

2012-07-02 Thread Martin Zecher
Thanks a lot Leonid. When I said that the problem also happened with kernel 3.3.8, I was wrong (because that time I forgot modprobing acpi_cpufreq). So, I just tested different kernel versions and this started happening with 3.4.0; it works fine until 3.3.8. And the problem is present in both vani

[arch-general] shadow upgrade 4.1.5.1-1. /pam configuration files

2012-07-02 Thread Arno Gaboury
Dear list, I messed up my box yesterday when upgrading shadow, and trying to understand and merge /etc/pam.d/login with login.pacnew. I thought it was worth adding the four lines of login.pacnew to my actual login file. But in this case, I found myself with a box login one user, me, on two T

Re: [arch-general] Custom libexecdir not recommended for gnome

2012-07-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Lukáš Jirkovský wrote: > On 1 July 2012 22:17, Clemens Buchacher wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to bring to your attention the discussion surrounding >> gnome-shell/networkmanager bug #679212 (NetworkManager VPN secrets: >> NetworkAgent internal error): >> >> htt

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] SOLVED- /etc/palm.d/login was messed up. GUI apps take time to load after X starts + weird behavior after upgrades

2012-07-02 Thread Arno Gaboury
On 07/02/2012 12:55 PM, Arno Gaboury wrote: Dear list, my system is no more running smooth after yesterday bunch of upgrades. The box has very classic and standard settings, and regularly upgraded. The symptoms: -when login in runlevel 3, the password prompt appears twice -after starx (XFC

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] GUI apps take time to load after X starts + weird behavior after upgrades

2012-07-02 Thread Arno Gaboury
On 07/02/2012 01:03 PM, Arno Gaboury wrote: On 07/02/2012 12:55 PM, Arno Gaboury wrote: Dear list, my system is no more running smooth after yesterday bunch of upgrades. The box has very classic and standard settings, and regularly upgraded. The symptoms: -when login in runlevel 3, the pass

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] GUI apps take time to load after X starts + weird behavior after upgrades

2012-07-02 Thread Arno Gaboury
On 07/02/2012 12:55 PM, Arno Gaboury wrote: Dear list, my system is no more running smooth after yesterday bunch of upgrades. The box has very classic and standard settings, and regularly upgraded. The symptoms: -when login in runlevel 3, the password prompt appears twice -after starx (XFCE4)

[arch-general] [aur-general] GUI apps take time to load after X starts + weird behavior after upgrades

2012-07-02 Thread Arno Gaboury
Dear list, my system is no more running smooth after yesterday bunch of upgrades. The box has very classic and standard settings, and regularly upgraded. The symptoms: -when login in runlevel 3, the password prompt appears twice -after starx (XFCE4), all my previous open windows (Firefox, thu

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-02 Thread Allan McRae
On 02/07/12 18:20, Loui Chang wrote: > On Mon 02 Jul 2012 19:28 +1200, Jason Ryan wrote: >> On 02/07/12 at 07:20am, Zero Cho wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for your support. You're right. This is not intended to be a >>> political debate, so I have been using a neutral word, Taiwan, rather than >>> other mo

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-02 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-07-02 04:20:57 -0400] Loui Chang: > An alternative has already been suggested. There's no reason we need to > keep coming back to ISO/UN. I'm not sure what the issue is anymore and > why this can't be fixed. This is silly. Exactly. Why did nobody submit a patch to ArchWeb [1] implementing th

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-02 Thread Loui Chang
On Mon 02 Jul 2012 19:28 +1200, Jason Ryan wrote: > On 02/07/12 at 07:20am, Zero Cho wrote: > > > > Thanks for your support. You're right. This is not intended to be a > > political debate, so I have been using a neutral word, Taiwan, rather than > > other more official but sensitive, less common

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-02 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am 02.07.2012 01:47, schrieb Tom Gundersen: > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Loui Chang wrote: >> But as has been suggested maybe Arch should choose a different upstream >> for this kind of information. Please open your mind a little, a false >> standard is no standard at all. > > I had a look a

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-02 Thread anti
I am surprised no one sees what can of worms this might open. There's a lot of countries whose names are contested, and sometimes the naming will cause emotional reactions by more than one side - take the small nation north of Greece, *commonly* (but not officially) known as Macedonia, or Yao Wei's

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-02 Thread Jason Ryan
On 02/07/12 at 07:20am, Zero Cho wrote: > > Thanks for your support. You're right. This is not intended to be a > political debate, so I have been using a neutral word, Taiwan, rather than > other more official but sensitive, less common name. It's the fact that ISO > is not reflecting how most of

Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues

2012-07-02 Thread Zero Cho
Devon, Thanks for your support. You're right. This is not intended to be a political debate, so I have been using a neutral word, Taiwan, rather than other more official but sensitive, less common name. It's the fact that ISO is not reflecting how most of the world see it. ISO does not have author