Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Jan 21, 2011 5:42 PM, "Ray Rashif" wrote: > > On 22 January 2011 05:30, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > ... because arch users are encouraged to help solve their own > > problems; whats your goal exactly? > > Are you on a provoking rampage? Because my goal was to simply give you > some feedback
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Friday, January 21, 2011 06:10:02 pm Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > If it isn't broken, don't fix it. We put grub2 in [extra], not [core], > > for the same reason we really should put systemd in [extra] and not > > [core]. > > Don't get
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > If it isn't broken, don't fix it. We put grub2 in [extra], not [core], for the > same reason we really should put systemd in [extra] and not [core]. Don't get me wrong, but no one is putting anything anywhere. This is not a voting. The decisio
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Friday, January 21, 2011 05:42:17 pm Ray Rashif wrote: (snip) > > indeed, and i'd mostly agree. however while im not a developer for > > archlinux, i wouldnt waste time on obsolete systems when a better > > alternative saves me time; you may end up maintaining the initscripts > > yourself. kee
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 22 January 2011 05:30, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > ok, so what went wrong? your sure you did everything correctly? more > info would be needed to help you. Thank you, but I can help myself if I want to pursue this, when I have the time to pursue this. The point was to check how far it was in
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 22 January 2011 01:53, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> oh... my. there is too much to respond properly >> so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... >> >> ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: >> >> SYSVI
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > I just tried systemd. And it just failed. I don't want to know > anything else, and I don't want to find out why. To everyone trying out systemd, please keep in mind that the arch integration has not received a lot of testing yet, so don't expe
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
bravo, sir. i'll throw you one last bone, because your track record in this conversation is one of severe inability to comprehend any information presented. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Friday, January 21, 2011 11:53:22 am C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> oh... my. ther
Re: [arch-general] python2-qt dependency typo
On 01/21/2011 01:40 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote: First of all, you must use flyspray to report any bug about official Arch Linux packages. In second, I really don't understand how you missed this[1] on*your* discussion. [1]http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2011- January/018070.ht
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 22 January 2011 01:53, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > oh... my. there is too much to respond properly > so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... > > ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: > > SYSVINIT HAS NO POWER, NO FUNCTIONALITY, AND ABSOLUTELY ZERO > US
Re: [arch-general] python2-qt dependency typo
On Friday 21 January 2011 13:30:11 David C. Rankin wrote: > Probably not worth a bug, unless you want one filed, but the python2-qt > python-opengl dependency is missing an 'o' in opengl (see e.g. python-pengl > below)): > > New optional dependencies for python2-qt > python-pengl: enabl
[arch-general] python2-qt dependency typo
Guys, Probably not worth a bug, unless you want one filed, but the python2-qt python-opengl dependency is missing an 'o' in opengl (see e.g. python-pengl below)): New optional dependencies for python2-qt python-pengl: enable OpenGL 3D graphics in PyQt applications qscintilla: QScinti
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Friday, January 21, 2011 11:53:22 am C Anthony Risinger wrote: > oh... my. there is too much to respond properly > so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... > > ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: > Because it's completely unnecessary. > SYSVINIT HA
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:03:23 +0800 > schrieb Ng Oon-Ee : > >> This talk is probably a year or so out of date however. Try pulseaudio >> now, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You'd also have noticed >> that actual bug reports on our forum
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
oh... my. there is too much to respond properly so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: SYSVINIT HAS NO POWER, NO FUNCTIONALITY, AND ABSOLUTELY ZERO USEFULNESS ON IT'S OWN. the "unix philosophy" (debatable in itself
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Friday, January 21, 2011 07:43:55 am Lukáš Jirkovský wrote: (snip) > And as other people said – I'm afraid of systemd even more because it > was written by the same person as Pulse Audio was. PA didn't work very > well for quite a long time. I'm not going to argue about that (it's > just my per
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart
Tom Gundersen (2011-01-21 14:36): > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Karol Babioch wrote: > > Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen:> > >> Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards > >> complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or > >> less there
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart
Karol Babioch (2011-01-21 13:13): > Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen:> > > Any suggestions about what might make the installation easier? At the > > moment you have to install some packages from AUR and add a line to > > your GRUB file. > > I appreciate your work (and anyone who has help
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Sander Jansen (2011-01-20 19:09): > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > > (snip) > >> > >> - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really > >> easy to test without breaking the system. > >
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
I think systemd is too much complicated and thus error prone. And so does SysV init. In terms of reliability it should be as simple as possible. What I really like is the the idea of runsv [1] – the init itself does almost nothing. Even the simple things like respawning of the processes are handled
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Karol Babioch wrote: > Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen:> >> Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards >> complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or >> less there (modulo unknown bugs). > > First of all I w
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Sander Jansen wrote: > So I installed it today and tried it out. I still have to play with > it some more. Some initial impressions: Thanks for the comments! > - If you installed vala 0.10, systemd-git won't build, even though gtk > is disabled. This is a bug i
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
2011/1/21 Yaro Kasear : >> > Also, how does that work? Do you choose an init at some point? >> >> I believe its been mentioned that you'd just alter the boot parameters >> in grub (or lilo if you use that). > > Is this in the wiki? Yes. Let me know if it is unclear. -t
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > 1. A possible loss of control over my system due to many unnecessary > automations and dynamizations. I agree that the user should be in control of his system. If you find any examples of loss of control, please file bug reports or send an ema
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > [...] if > apache is patched can this behaviour of systemd be turned off? Yes (as a rule of thumb: fancy functionality that you don't like can almost always be turned off). Sorry if I missed some questions in any of my previous emails. Cheer
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > I certainly can't fault that part. That's probably open source's greatest > strength. ESR called it "Linus' Law" and he explained it succinctly in the > CatB paper. My concern is about how cooperative and willing to fix known > issues upstream
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
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Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart
Hi, Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen:> > Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards > complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or > less there (modulo unknown bugs). First of all I was talking about systemd as the default init system within
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Meeku: It is out-of-the-box spiritual philosophy. --- Original Message Subject: Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders From:"Ng Oon-Ee" Date:Thu, January 20, 2011 7:28 pm To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Re: [arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
On Friday 21 January 2011 12:19:38 Damjan wrote: > While you're at it please correct these too: > ( 7/10) upgrading python2-qt > [#] 100% > New optional dependencies for python2-qt > python-pengl: enable OpenGL 3D graphics in PyQt applications > qscinti
Re: [arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
This is happening because somebody forgot to bump pkgrel and switched manually the packages. Yes is my fault. Pyqt was removed from database some days ago, I create a new package but I forgot to upload it as 4.8.2-3. Anyway a new pyqt package is coming and will fix this for everyone without -Syy.
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:30:53 +0100 schrieb Philipp Überbacher : > Now I know what avahi and PA does, and I don't have a user for either, > yet they are there. I don't have the slightest idea what CK and PK > does, they don't have any tangible benefit for me, yet they are there. > I'm not sure whet
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Am Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:53:50 -0700 schrieb Brendan Long : > Yeah PulseAudio sucks so bad that just about everyone uses it now. Do > you really think that the people behind nearly every major distro are > stupid enough to use it as the default if it didn't do anything? > > A lot of PA's issues cam
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Excerpts from Heiko Baums's message of 2011-01-21 03:07:27 +0100: > Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:03:23 +0800 > schrieb Ng Oon-Ee : > > > This talk is probably a year or so out of date however. Try pulseaudio > > now, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You'd also have noticed > > that actual bug rep
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:16:34 +0100 Jan Steffens wrote: > Arch's init system is completely ignorant of dependencies. Depends on how you look at it, I guess. I see the explicit ordering and backgrounding of daemons (done by the user) in rc.conf as a (very crude) form of "dependency/parallelisation
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 21 January 2011 16:49, Auguste Pop wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: >> On 21 January 2011 16:43, John K Pate wrote: >>> > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd&do_Search=Go http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd-arch-units-g
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 21 January 2011 16:43, John K Pate wrote: >> >>> > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd&do_Search=Go >>> >>> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd-arch-units-git&do_Search=Go >>> >> >> http://aur.archlinux.org/pa
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 21 January 2011 16:43, John K Pate wrote: > >> > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd&do_Search=Go >> >> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd-arch-units-git&do_Search=Go >> > > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=40419 > > They just didn't put "-git" on the en
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
> > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd&do_Search=Go > > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=systemd-arch-units-git&do_Search=Go > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=40419 They just didn't put "-git" on the end, but it is a git package JKP -- The University of
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 21 January 2011 16:21, KESHAV P.R. wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 13:43, Ray Rashif wrote: >> On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen wrote: >>> You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and >>> initscripts-systemd-git. It will not conflict with the standard >>> init
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 13:43, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and >> initscripts-systemd-git. It will not conflict with the standard >> initscripts package, and you can switch back and forth b
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen wrote: > You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and > initscripts-systemd-git. It will not conflict with the standard > initscripts package, and you can switch back and forth by making the > change in GRUB during boot. There is no
