On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:47 +0100, Damjan wrote:
>>> I've put PulseAudio into [testing] some time ago, but received no
>>> feedback on this.
>>>
>>> This either means it works well, or nobody uses it.
>>>
>>> So I'm asking for it now, especially from GNOME and KDE users running
>>> PulseAudio.
>>
On a more serious mode now:
As the devs themselves said, pulseaudio is optional, unless you are using
GNOME, which requires Pulseaudio upstream. There is nothing clearer than that.
Go blame GNOME developers.
There is something i noticed. Morgan Gandwere is a Debian convert... That
explains a l
Well Morgan Gangwere
since all of us Arch users understand this greatly important need to play a 13
year game on an 11 year old machine, we should rollback all changes and send
pulseaudio in AUR where it belongs.
I mean, we can't leave behind every cheap computer user who can't be bothered
to
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Sergey Manucharian wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I wonder if somebody could already figure out how to handle file and
> protocol associations for Chromium. For those who use a DE like
> KDE/Gnome most probably everything works out of box. There is an
> article in wiki how
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 01:10 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 07:28:45AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
>
> > The ONLY major ALSA 'feature' which is not supported is memmap. Direct
> > access to the sound-card's memory. Pulseaudio's devs are of the opinion
> > that this cannot
Hi folks,
I wonder if somebody could already figure out how to handle file and
protocol associations for Chromium. For those who use a DE like
KDE/Gnome most probably everything works out of box. There is an
article in wiki how to use chromium with no DE [1]. It suggest to use
mimeo and xdg-utils-
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:28:45 +0800
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > - It's unstable.
> > - It's got far too many unresolved bugs the upstream developers defer
> > INCORRECTLY elsewhere simply because they can't be bothered to fix their
> > software.
>
> Where you've mentioned specific bugs below I'll answer
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 06:29:56PM -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 01:15 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 06:44:10PM -0500, Simon Gomizelj wrote:
> >
> > > Pulseaudio has been buggy because in many cases they have been the very
> > > first people to
On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 01:15 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 06:44:10PM -0500, Simon Gomizelj wrote:
>>
>>> Pulseaudio has been buggy because in many cases they have been the
>>> very
>>> first people to ever make use
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 01:15 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 06:44:10PM -0500, Simon Gomizelj wrote:
>
> > Pulseaudio has been buggy because in many cases they have been the very
> > first people to ever make use of some of the more esoteric parts of alsa.
> > Those par
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 06:44:10PM -0500, Simon Gomizelj wrote:
> Pulseaudio has been buggy because in many cases they have been the very
> first people to ever make use of some of the more esoteric parts of alsa.
> Those parts also lacked proper documentation and many drivers didn't even
> bother
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 07:28:45AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> The ONLY major ALSA 'feature' which is not supported is memmap. Direct
> access to the sound-card's memory. Pulseaudio's devs are of the opinion
> that this cannot and should not be emulated, and that apps which use it
> are broken in de
Just to clarify a few things...
1) If you only install libpulse, you are not not using pulseaudio. It
is just another "useless" library on your system. You already probably
have plenty of libraries installed on your system that you do not use.
If you really do not want it installed, rebuild t
Pulseaudio did expose a lot of bugs in alsa that needed to be fixed in alsa.
IIRC they are attempting to move from scheduling sound with the soundcard's
hardware interrupts to an entirely cpu based method. I can't remember
exactly what the technique is, but it allows for better latency control,
bet
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 10:38 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:27 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
>
> GNOME 3 isn't even released yet. There's no CURRENT dependency in Arch,
> in [extra], for Pulse Audio.
Others have explained this to you already.
>
> Fine, Then I'll list all of its
On 11/28/2010 05:59 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
A sled drive puts an internal drive into a sled case. Then the user
slides the sled case along tracks installed for that purpose into the
computer and in order to use it must lock the drive with a key. You
can put operating systems on different har
A sled drive puts an internal drive into a sled case. Then the user
slides the sled case along tracks installed for that purpose into the
computer and in order to use it must lock the drive with a key. You can
put operating systems on different hard drives that way and if one gets
compromised
Has anyone managed to get archlinux up and running on either a sled
drive or a full-sized usb drive yet. Another Linux system I have
couldn't even detect the disk drive was in the machine and I gave it my
best hard drive too. Slackware has no problem with the drive, but Debian
squeeze or an earlie
Has anyone managed to get archlinux up and running on either a sled drive
or a full-sized usb drive yet. Another Linux system I have couldn't even
detect the disk drive was in the machine and I gave it my best hard drive
too. Slackware has no problem with the drive, but Debian squeeze or an
e
Excerpts from Rasmus Steinke's message of 2010-11-28 18:00:52 +0100:
> Let me answer on your points...
>
> > Fine, Then I'll list all of its problems right here:
> >
> > - It's unstable.
> NEVER crashed on me...
>From the PA page:
"Current Status
The PulseAudio daemon and utilities are still under
Hi Archers,
I have a Logitech Quickcam 9000. It works great under Linux. Suddenly, it
seems to have stopped working so great.
I now get errors like this:
Nov 28 22:29:07 gulliver kernel: hub 2-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port
5 disabled
Nov 28 22:29:07 gulliver kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to
Excerpts from Ng Oon-Ee's message of 2010-11-28 17:19:11 +0100:
>
> I'll take both your words on it. Its worth noting that Pulseaudio
> automatically corks when JACK wants a sound-device (jack2 that is, not
> jack1). Running phonon atop pulseaudio wouldn't make sense if every app
> uses phonon. Du
On 28-11-2010 16:21, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> ... if they were to actually test this,
> would FLOOD this entire discussion with problems that would make the
> Arch devs reconsider this decision.
So you are making the assumption that using pulse still causes the same
problems it used to cause before (o
Let me answer on your points...
Fine, Then I'll list all of its problems right here:
- It's unstable.
NEVER crashed on me...
- It's got far too many unresolved bugs the upstream developers defer
INCORRECTLY elsewhere simply because they can't be bothered to fix their
software.
Possible, tho
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 18:44 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote:
> On 11/28/2010 06:38 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
>
> >
> > Maybe wait until GNOME 3 actually gets released before put something
> > unstable and useless in [extra] needlessly.
> >
>
> our experience in packaging software, fixing bugs and debugging
On 11/28/2010 06:38 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
Maybe wait until GNOME 3 actually gets released before put something
unstable and useless in [extra] needlessly.
our experience in packaging software, fixing bugs and debugging is far
superior than yours.
we have just made a small step in adding
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:27 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 10:18 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:15 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
> > > On 29 November 2010 00:08, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > > > Once again, I say PA is far from the kind of quality I'd expect from a
>
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 16:24 +, Nathan Wayde wrote:
> >
> > It's probably because the masses of people who already know Pulse Audio
> > will break their sound aren't bothering to try it. I have a whole IRC
> > channel filled with people who, if they were to actually test this,
> > would FLOOD th
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 10:18 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:15 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
> > On 29 November 2010 00:08, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > > Once again, I say PA is far from the kind of quality I'd expect from a
> > > package in [extra], and I'm surprised the Arch devs are
On 11/28/2010 06:18 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:15 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
On 29 November 2010 00:08, Yaro Kasear wrote:
Once again, I say PA is far from the kind of quality I'd expect from a
package in [extra], and I'm surprised the Arch devs are even considering
it, espe
It's probably because the masses of people who already know Pulse Audio
will break their sound aren't bothering to try it. I have a whole IRC
channel filled with people who, if they were to actually test this,
would FLOOD this entire discussion with problems that would make the
Arch devs reconsid
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:19 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 17:49 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
> > On 28 November 2010 11:24, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 11:17 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 18:21 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > >> > I don't see K
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 17:49 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
> On 28 November 2010 11:24, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 11:17 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 18:21 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> >> > I don't see KDE upstream doing that. They have Phonon. What's more, most
>
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:15 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
> On 29 November 2010 00:08, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> > Once again, I say PA is far from the kind of quality I'd expect from a
> > package in [extra], and I'm surprised the Arch devs are even considering
> > it, especially in light of the fact that
On 29 November 2010 00:08, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> Once again, I say PA is far from the kind of quality I'd expect from a
> package in [extra], and I'm surprised the Arch devs are even considering
> it, especially in light of the fact that there's far more stable and
> useful packages in [community]
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 12:11 +0200, Χρήστος Κώτσαρης wrote:
> I believe this was the right choice. Pulseaudio should be in extra and all
> applications build with pulse support.
Except for the fact that Pulse Audio is an incredible REGRESSION in
Linux sound and causes far more problems than it sol
On 21/11/10 18:28, Eric Bélanger wrote:
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Allan McRae wrote:
Rebuild of old package, tidy up PKGBUILD.
Signoff both,
Allan
signoff x86_64
Anyone for i686?
On Sunday 28 November 2010 12:48:38 Jan Steffens wrote:
> Note that as far as I know, phonon is an abstraction API with similar
> functionality like GStreamer, not PulseAudio.
Yes indeed, that's my understanding too.
Anyway, thanks Jan - I can report that I'm using KDE, VLC etc. without pulse
an
2010/11/28 Χρήστος Κώτσαρης :
> Regarding phonon being dropped, after some googling it seems i was mistaken,
> what i had read was that Qt framework is dropping phonon, not KDE. But still,
> i believe it would be sane to drop phonon in KDE too and replace it with
> Pulseaudio, it is the best choice
Regarding phonon being dropped, after some googling it seems i was mistaken,
what i had read was that Qt framework is dropping phonon, not KDE. But still,
i believe it would be sane to drop phonon in KDE too and replace it with
Pulseaudio, it is the best choice. No need for 2 sound servers when
I believe this was the right choice. Pulseaudio should be in extra and all
applications build with pulse support.
Regarding phonon, i believe KDE intends to drop it at some point, not sure
were i read that. I remember reading something about KDE 5 not including
phonon, but it may be FUD. Anyone
On 28 November 2010 11:24, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 11:17 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
>> On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 18:21 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 08:18 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
>> > > Just don't use Gnome. Upstream is going to make Pulseaudio default. KDE
>> >
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