Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux Release Question

2010-04-07 Thread Lukáš Jirkovský
Hi David, > It doesn't matter whether you use the > latest install set or the one from 3 'releases' back, after the first update, > you will have the exact same, current Arch Linux we all have. It is the > smartest > way to do a Linux distribution -- hands down. I don't agree with you. For 99 % (

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux Release Question

2010-04-07 Thread fons
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 07:51:54PM +0200, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:44:22 -0500, "David C. Rankin" > wrote: > > ... It doesn't matter whether you use > > the > > latest install set or the one from 3 'releases' back, after the first > > update, > > you will have the exact same

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux Release Question

2010-04-07 Thread Pierre Schmitz
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:45:41 -0500, "David C. Rankin" wrote: > I missed that completely in my train of thought. But without the change in > package compression it would still hold true. Prior to the xz compression > change, I had had no problems using the 2/09 install media even after the >

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux Release Question

2010-04-07 Thread David C. Rankin
On 04/07/2010 12:51 PM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > > It's not entirely true. You always should install using the latest iso and > it is also important to release new isos regularly. Due to our continuous > updates and changes old isos and especially netinstall are broken. For > example you cannot run

Re: [arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread David C. Rankin
On 04/07/2010 12:56 PM, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > Add a ServerFlags section to your xorg.conf and inside that insert: > > Option "IgnoreABI" "True" > > When a new driver is released that recognizes the new xorg-server > version, you can remove that. Thank you Evangelos. Hopefully DR's issu

Re: [arch-general] nvidia with latest Xorg

2010-04-07 Thread David C. Rankin
>> >> (p.s. this is 'in addition to' and not 'in lieu of' the current topic) >> > > This is a complete thread hijacking, has nothing to do with the > current topic, and adds NOTHING to it. > > darose updated to the Xserver in EXTRA which is 1.7.5.902-1 > > nvidia works fine in extra, even in tes

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux Release Question

2010-04-07 Thread Matěj Týč
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 12:44 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: > > ( if the other distros were 1/2 as smart as Arch, they would all be using a > rolling-release model... ) > > Not true. If you want a distro that "just works", you need to really test a lot before you change a version of the package

Re: [arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread Matěj Týč
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 20:56 +0300, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:35 PM, David C. Rankin > wrote: > > On the same note, after the latest Xorg update, X (nVidia card) was failing > > to > > start on the same xorg.conf I had used with my arch box since I first > > installed >

[arch-general] nvidia with latest Xorg

2010-04-07 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:35 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 04/07/2010 09:55 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: >> On 04/07/2010 10:46 AM, Xavier Chantry wrote: >>> Can you attach full Xorg log and config ? >> >> I'm not using any xorg config.  Log is at: >> >> http://www.darose.net/Xorg.0.log >> >>> A

Re: [arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:59 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > > Anybody have any ideas on this?  GUI is completely unusable on the server > until I solve this!  :-( > > I really have zero idea what's going on.  And it's a difficult thing to find > good specific search terms for, as there's been nume

Re: [arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 04/07/2010 10:55 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: On 04/07/2010 10:46 AM, Xavier Chantry wrote: Can you attach full Xorg log and config ? I'm not using any xorg config. Log is at: http://www.darose.net/Xorg.0.log And does it work with xf86-input-keyboard driver ? I have xf86-input-keyboar

Re: [arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread Evangelos Foutras
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:35 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > On the same note, after the latest Xorg update, X (nVidia card) was failing to > start on the same xorg.conf I had used with my arch box since I first > installed > arch. Add a ServerFlags section to your xorg.conf and inside that insert:

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux Release Question

2010-04-07 Thread Pierre Schmitz
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:44:22 -0500, "David C. Rankin" wrote: > ... It doesn't matter whether you use > the > latest install set or the one from 3 'releases' back, after the first > update, > you will have the exact same, current Arch Linux we all have. It's not entirely true. You always should i

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux Release Question

2010-04-07 Thread David C. Rankin
On 04/03/2010 04:59 PM, Keith Hinton wrote: > Hi, > First of all, if anyone is curious as to why I have posted to the > Arch-General mailing list, I'm mainly doing this, in case any of the > Arch Release team is actually hanging out on this list. > I was curious, seeing as the last Arch Linux relea

Re: [arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread David C. Rankin
On 04/07/2010 09:55 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > On 04/07/2010 10:46 AM, Xavier Chantry wrote: >> Can you attach full Xorg log and config ? > > I'm not using any xorg config. Log is at: > > http://www.darose.net/Xorg.0.log > >> And does it work with xf86-input-keyboard driver ? > > I have x

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] WARNING: [testing] broken due to openssl and heimdal rebuilds

2010-04-07 Thread Dan McGee
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 08/04/10 00:54, Florian Pritz wrote: >> >> On 07.04.2010 16:10, Allan McRae wrote: >>> >>> This would really not help here.  Pacman does not directly link openssl, >>> but does through libarchive and libfetch.  Adding versioned libarchive >>

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] WARNING: [testing] broken due to openssl and heimdal rebuilds

2010-04-07 Thread Allan McRae
On 08/04/10 00:54, Florian Pritz wrote: On 07.04.2010 16:10, Allan McRae wrote: This would really not help here. Pacman does not directly link openssl, but does through libarchive and libfetch. Adding versioned libarchive and libfetch to pacman's deps and using sodeps on openssl in those packa

Re: [arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 04/07/2010 10:46 AM, Xavier Chantry wrote: Can you attach full Xorg log and config ? I'm not using any xorg config. Log is at: http://www.darose.net/Xorg.0.log And does it work with xf86-input-keyboard driver ? I have xf86-input-keyboard installed. I assumed X was just automatically

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] WARNING: [testing] broken due to openssl and heimdal rebuilds

2010-04-07 Thread Florian Pritz
On 07.04.2010 16:10, Allan McRae wrote: > This would really not help here. Pacman does not directly link openssl, > but does through libarchive and libfetch. Adding versioned libarchive > and libfetch to pacman's deps and using sodeps on openssl in those > packages would prevent pacman's SyncF

Re: [arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > I upgraded my extremely not-up-to-date server last night (523 packages > upgraded).  The upgrade generally went well, except for one significant > issue:  the keyboard is no longer working under Xorg.  It works fine in a > command line tt

[arch-general] keyboard not working in Xorg after package updates

2010-04-07 Thread David Rosenstrauch
I upgraded my extremely not-up-to-date server last night (523 packages upgraded). The upgrade generally went well, except for one significant issue: the keyboard is no longer working under Xorg. It works fine in a command line tty though (i.e., ctrl-alt-F1). Not sure what the problem is, as

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] WARNING: [testing] broken due to openssl and heimdal rebuilds

2010-04-07 Thread Allan McRae
On 07/04/10 23:47, Florian Pritz wrote: On 07.04.2010 06:42, Pierre Schmitz wrote: I just tested what happens if I change pacman depends to "'libarchive>=2.8.3-3' 'libfetch>=2.30-3'". Maybe start using sodeps to generate those dependencies? libfetch (doesn't have a soname with version btw) wou

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] WARNING: [testing] broken due to openssl and heimdal rebuilds

2010-04-07 Thread Florian Pritz
On 07.04.2010 06:42, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > I just tested what happens if I change pacman depends to > "'libarchive>=2.8.3-3' 'libfetch>=2.30-3'". Maybe start using sodeps to generate those dependencies? libfetch (doesn't have a soname with version btw) would depend on the new openssl libs and p

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] openssl 1.0 rebuild

2010-04-07 Thread Jim Pryor
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 11:49:10AM +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 30.03.2010 03:36, schrieb Pierre Schmitz: > > I created a rebuld list for the just released openssl 1.0.0 (Thanks Dan > > for fixing the todo list that fast!). These are 236 packages for each > > architecture; so this will need so

Re: [arch-general] jack & qjackctl

2010-04-07 Thread Ray Rashif
On 7 April 2010 17:24, wrote: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:21:20AM +0200, Philipp wrote: > >> Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-04-07 00:46:09 +0200: >> > It seems like Arch is currently offering Jack and qjackctl >> > packages that are not compatible. >> > >> > The Jack authors changed one so

Re: [arch-general] jack & qjackctl

2010-04-07 Thread fons
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:21:20AM +0200, Philipp wrote: > Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-04-07 00:46:09 +0200: > > It seems like Arch is currently offering Jack and qjackctl > > packages that are not compatible. > > > > The Jack authors changed one some command line options > > in 0.118. '

Re: [arch-general] jack & qjackctl

2010-04-07 Thread Philipp
Excerpts from Allan McRae's message of 2010-04-07 03:06:50 +0200: > On 07/04/10 10:21, Philipp wrote: > > Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-04-07 00:46:09 +0200: > >> It seems like Arch is currently offering Jack and qjackctl > >> packages that are not compatible. > >> > >> The Jack authors chan