[arch-general] Bluetooth headphone

2010-01-25 Thread Manne Merak
Hi, I have a mono bluetooth headphone dongle thing that I got paired using the new KDE4 bluetooth manager (the guys really did a great job on this I might add). I added entries in ~/.asoundrc and can play sound files to it using "aplay -D ". Now, how do I get other apps to see it? I dont see i

[arch-general] fvwm-devel's dependencies

2010-01-25 Thread 大熊
I want to install the fvwm-devel, but why it depend on gtk 1.2.10-10? ** fvwm-devel Dependencies (7): * fribidi * imlib * librsvg * libstroke * libxpm * perl * readline>=6.0.00 when I ask some ubuntu user, they say fvwm is only depended on gtk2 under ubuntu. libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4)

Re: [arch-general] alsa-tools

2010-01-25 Thread Ray Rashif
2010/1/26 : > Is there any good reason why alsa-tools is not available > from core or extra and only (in bits and pieces) from AUR ? What exactly do you mean by "bits and pieces"? -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD

Re: [arch-general] One more tiny patch that should bring a massive performance boost :D

2010-01-25 Thread Dan McGee
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > Hello, > > During the recent libpng/libjpeg rebuilds, one thing that I noticed is > that (big) Todo lists are really slow to load. Turns out that the > current code is doing tons of simple queries (4 per package) which, > although are qu

[arch-general] [PATCH] Drastically reduce loading time of Todo lists

2010-01-25 Thread Evangelos Foutras
Use Django's select_related() on the TodolistPkg QuerySet to avoid making 4 database queries per package. This way we're making just one query, regardless of the number of packages in the Todo list. Local testing with 1000 entries in a Todo list show that the loading time has been reduced from 267

[arch-general] One more tiny patch that should bring a massive performance boost :D

2010-01-25 Thread Evangelos Foutras
Hello, During the recent libpng/libjpeg rebuilds, one thing that I noticed is that (big) Todo lists are really slow to load. Turns out that the current code is doing tons of simple queries (4 per package) which, although are quick to execute on the database server, take a considerable ammount of

[arch-general] esmtp 1.2

2010-01-25 Thread Kitty
New version has been out for a bit, here's the diff to update the pkg in community. It builds ok (i686) for me. --- /var/abs/community/esmtp/PKGBUILD 2010-01-25 05:21:42.0 -0700 +++ PKGBUILD2010-01-25 20:49:35.076474428 -0700 @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ # Contributor : Aaron Griffin pkgname

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Loui Chang
On Mon 25 Jan 2010 16:28 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Heiko Baums wrote: > > >I don't know anything about the technical differences between cdrkit > >and cdrtools but http://cdrkit.org says: > >News > >2009/10/11 > >Cdrkit 1.1.10 has been released. > > >So the last stable release was not a yea

Re: [arch-general] Xscreensaver corrupts ext4 / partition

2010-01-25 Thread Damjan Georgievski
> Hmm, let me rephrase my initial statement.  The only initial symptom > was xscreensaver.  It was running when all of sudden the FS got > corrupted and I couldn't loging, not from xscreensaver, not from > console, etc. > > At this point I have a pretty stable system.  Nothing fails.  Only > when I

Re: [arch-general] alsa-tools

2010-01-25 Thread Aaron Griffin
2010/1/25 Ng Oon-Ee : > On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 22:50 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: >> Is there any good reason why alsa-tools is not available >> from core or extra and only (in bits and pieces) from AUR ? >> >> Tools like envy24ctl or hdspmixer are really not an >> option when you use one of t

Re: [arch-general] alsa-tools

2010-01-25 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 22:50 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > Is there any good reason why alsa-tools is not available > from core or extra and only (in bits and pieces) from AUR ? > > Tools like envy24ctl or hdspmixer are really not an > option when you use one of the soundcards they are > mea

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] initscripts 2010.01-1, udev 150-1, device-mapper/lvm2 2.02.60, cryptsetup 1.1.0

2010-01-25 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
On 01/24/2010 11:42 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: Okay, here are the changes: initscripts: - hwclock improvements by Dan - some minor crypto fix on shutdown - moved the prekillall hook so it can be used better with splash Necessary for device-mapper/udev, as dm-device detection on startup has needs

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Aaron Griffin wrote: > >> Getting this actual legal review made public would be a huge step not >> only in trust, but also in closing this issue once and for all. >> >> Might I ask WHY this review isn't made public? > > If people did requi

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] udev-150-3

2010-01-25 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
On 01/25/2010 03:35 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote: Am Sonntag 24 Januar 2010 schrieb Tobias Powalowski: Am Sonntag 24 Januar 2010 schrieb Tobias Powalowski: Hi guys, udev 150 Bugfixes. Kernels with SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y are not supported since a while. Many users depend on the cu

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Aaron Griffin wrote: > Getting this actual legal review made public would be a huge step not > only in trust, but also in closing this issue once and for all. > > Might I ask WHY this review isn't made public? If people did require the hostile downstream packager from Debian to prove his claims

[arch-general] alsa-tools

2010-01-25 Thread fons
Is there any good reason why alsa-tools is not available from core or extra and only (in bits and pieces) from AUR ? Tools like envy24ctl or hdspmixer are really not an option when you use one of the soundcards they are meant to control. You need them for things to work at all. Any other distros

[arch-general] [signoff] kernel 2.6.32.6-1

2010-01-25 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Hi guys, bump to latest bugfix version. Please signoff both arches, greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tp...@archlinux.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [arch-general] problem with video driver ?

2010-01-25 Thread fons
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:11:11PM +0100, Xavier Chantry wrote: > I suspect you did not install it properly and were running in noaccel mode. > But since you solved your ssh X forwarding problem, and are happy with > nv, you can keep using that. > If you are still curious about nouveau, you have t

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Thomas Bächler wrote: > >> It would be nice if you updated your homepage (which would need a new >> look too, it reminds me of the old days when using the internet was >> annoying due to those ugly blinking websites). Quote from >> http://

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Thomas Bächler wrote: > It would be nice if you updated your homepage (which would need a new > look too, it reminds me of the old days when using the internet was > annoying due to those ugly blinking websites). Quote from > http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html#legal: > > "There is

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote: > cdrkit: 1.1.9 -> 1.1.10 (1 year), 1.1.6 -> 1.1.7 (another year). Only > few changes in in each release in years. > cdrtools: 13 releases in 2007, 20 in 2008, 16 in 2009, 3 in this month. > Lots of changes in each release. > > The difference is really big. For mk

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Kitty wrote: > 3. Take the cdrtools devs at their word and dump cdr-kit. > > FWIW, I'm in favor of #3, and practically, the other bigger distros > that have switched back to cdrtools are fatter targets for any legal > action. Furthermore, who exactly would be doing the suing? If it's the > GNU, t

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 25.01.2010 17:15, schrieb Joerg Schilling: > [ legal bla ] It would be nice if you updated your homepage (which would need a new look too, it reminds me of the old days when using the internet was annoying due to those ugly blinking websites). Quote from http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Ray Kohler wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Kitty wrote: >> FWIW, I'm in favor of #3, and practically, the other bigger distros >> that have switched back to cdrtools are fatter targets for any legal >> action. Furthermore, who exactly would be doing the

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 13:40, Ray Kohler wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Kitty wrote: >> FWIW, I'm in favor of #3, and practically, the other bigger distros >> that have switched back to cdrtools are fatter targets for any legal >> action. Furthermore, who exactly would be doing the s

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Ray Kohler
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Kitty wrote: > FWIW, I'm in favor of #3, and practically, the other bigger distros > that have switched back to cdrtools are fatter targets for any legal > action. Furthermore, who exactly would be doing the suing? If it's the > GNU, then their goal would be to fi

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] linux-api-headers-2.6.32.5-1

2010-01-25 Thread Alexander Duscheleit
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:37:17 -0600 Dan McGee wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Allan McRae > wrote: > > On 25/01/10 17:41, Jan de Groot wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, 2010-01-24 at 12:13 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > >>> > >>> linux-api-headers-2.6.32.5-1 > >>>   - convert to arch=any  (built on

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
On 01/25/2010 12:50 PM, Allan McRae wrote: On 26/01/10 01:19, Joerg Schilling wrote: Jan de Groot wrote: It seems that GPL and CDDL have some conflicting paragraphs, so even if CDDL allows linking to GPL with this exception, GPL doesn't allow the other way around. I am not sure where you hav

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:01:24 -0300 schrieb Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi : > cdrkit: 1.1.9 -> 1.1.10 (1 year), 1.1.6 -> 1.1.7 (another year). Only > few changes in in each release in years. > cdrtools: 13 releases in 2007, 20 in 2008, 16 in 2009, 3 in this > month. Lots of changes in each release. > >

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Montag, 25. Januar 2010 17:15:35 schrieb Joerg Schilling: > The FSF does not own any code in cdrtools and the FSF does not publish > cdrtools, so it is obvious that the FSF is irrelevant for your discussion. To track down the problem to its root: What does it cost you to distribute your code

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
On 01/25/2010 04:59 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:55:22 +0100 schrieb Sven-Hendrik Haase: My issue is that the cdrtools substitute cdrkit that Arch currently officially provides is not actively developed (current to last stable was around a year) and is technically inferior

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Kitty
I guess I'm new to an old discussion, so just to catch up: cdrtools: original package, active devel, possible licence probs cdr-kit: the fork, inactive devel, exists to be included in debian This seems to be a fairly straight write up of the circumstances that led to the fork. http://cdrecord.berl

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: > Unfortunately, on this issue, no-one I would consider roughly unbiased > has looked into it. Thus, I am left with no opinions to listen to. I OK, if you are unbiased I encourage you to immediately stop distributing "cdrkit". Cdrkit is in conflict with the GPL and the G

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Allan McRae
On 26/01/10 02:15, Joerg Schilling wrote: The FSF does not own any code in cdrtools and the FSF does not publish cdrtools, so it is obvious that the FSF is irrelevant for your discussion. Really? I thought the discussion was whether your code with its license is legally allowed to link to GPL

Re: [arch-general] Xscreensaver corrupts ext4 / partition

2010-01-25 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 1/25/10, Thayer Williams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Javier Vasquez > wrote: >> Bad thing that xscreensaver corrupted / so that it couldn't be >> unlocked, and under console there was no way to loging, some misplaced >> inodes or something... >> >> Hard reboot was required, and

Re: [arch-general] Xscreensaver corrupts ext4 / partition

2010-01-25 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 1/25/10, Xavier Chantry wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Thayer Williams wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Javier Vasquez >> wrote: >>> Bad thing that xscreensaver corrupted / so that it couldn't be >>> unlocked, and under console there was no way to loging, some misplaced

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: > > The common understanding of the laywers in Germany and the USA on what's > > happening > > when a program links against a library is that this creates a so called > > "collective > > work" which is not a derived work. The GPL definitely allows such > > collective works.

Re: [arch-general] Xscreensaver corrupts ext4 / partition

2010-01-25 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Thayer Williams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Javier Vasquez > wrote: >>  Bad thing that xscreensaver corrupted / so that it couldn't be >> unlocked, and under console there was no way to loging, some misplaced >> inodes or something... >> >> Hard reb

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Allan McRae
On 26/01/10 01:19, Joerg Schilling wrote: Jan de Groot wrote: It seems that GPL and CDDL have some conflicting paragraphs, so even if CDDL allows linking to GPL with this exception, GPL doesn't allow the other way around. I am not sure where you have this idea from The CDDL allows to com

Re: [arch-general] Xscreensaver corrupts ext4 / partition

2010-01-25 Thread Thayer Williams
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Javier Vasquez wrote: >  Bad thing that xscreensaver corrupted / so that it couldn't be > unlocked, and under console there was no way to loging, some misplaced > inodes or something... > > Hard reboot was required, and then at first /tmp was so corrupted that > it

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: > > The Sun legal department did check cdrtools in Autumn 2008 and the legal > > review > > did take three months. The result from this check is that there is > > absolutely no > > legal problem with the original cdrtools software. > > Do you have a link to a report made from

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Heiko Baums wrote: >I don't know anything about the technical differences between cdrkit >and cdrtools but http://cdrkit.org says: >News >2009/10/11 >Cdrkit 1.1.10 has been released. >So the last stable release was not a year but only three months ago. >This looks like an active development for m

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jan de Groot wrote: >It seems that GPL and CDDL have some conflicting paragraphs, so even if >CDDL allows linking to GPL with this exception, GPL doesn't allow the >other way around. I am not sure where you have this idea from The CDDL allows to combine CDDL code with other code and the GPL

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Allan McRae
On 26/01/10 01:10, Joerg Schilling wrote: Allan McRae wrote: Not anything recent: http://lwn.net/Articles/195167/ . Debian thinks about these things a lot more than we do so I usually would defer to them. But given they essentially created the cdrkit fork, I'm not sure they are ever going to

Re: [arch-general] problem with video driver ?

2010-01-25 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:46 PM, wrote: > > Meanwhile I installed nouveau. The only difference I notice > is that now the 'visual bell' in xterm has become very slow > as well (to the point of being unusable), also locally. > I suspect you did not install it properly and were running in noaccel

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: >Not anything recent: http://lwn.net/Articles/195167/ . Debian thinks >about these things a lot more than we do so I usually would defer to >them. But given they essentially created the cdrkit fork, I'm not sure >they are ever going to reassess the situation. The article y

Re: [arch-general] Boot Device Didn't Show Up

2010-01-25 Thread Carlos Williams
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > See this bug report: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/17231?project=6 > > You should be able to continue booting by entering these commands > at the ramfs$ prompt: > udevadm trigger > exit I ran the command listed above and it just throws me int

Re: [arch-general] problem with video driver ?

2010-01-25 Thread fons
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 01:30:54PM +0100, Marco wrote: > I don't think it is a Xorg-related issue, but rather an ssh thing. > I assume you added the line: > > X11Forwarding yes > > to /etc/sshd_config in your server (the laptop, as I understand). > > Try add the line > > ForwardX11Trus

Re: [arch-general] problem with video driver ?

2010-01-25 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 12:46 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > Because they seem to be OK, e.g. transfer speed when using > rsync is what is was before. Anyway the slowest part in the > link is probably the wireless access point anyway. Hmm, wireless... besides being unreliable, it's half-du

Re: [arch-general] problem with video driver ?

2010-01-25 Thread Marco
Hi, I don't think it is a Xorg-related issue, but rather an ssh thing. I assume you added the line: X11Forwarding yes to /etc/sshd_config in your server (the laptop, as I understand). Try add the line ForwardX11Trusted yes to /etc/ssh_config (NOT sshd_config) in your client, which sho

Re: [arch-general] problem with video driver ?

2010-01-25 Thread fons
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 02:18:42AM +0100, Xavier Chantry wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:04 AM, wrote: > > > > It is the 'ssh -X zita2 emacs' that is very slow. > > Running emacs locally is perfectly OK. > > The previous install was F9, it used nv, and > > the same 'ssh -X zita2 emacs' worked

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Allan McRae
On 25/01/10 21:09, Pierre Schmitz wrote: Am Montag, 25. Januar 2010 03:55:22 schrieb Sven-Hendrik Haase: I'm aware that I can get cdrtools from AUR. Even then, cdrkit uses "replaces" and that spells "don't use cdrtools" for me. I don't see any replaces entry in our cdrkit PKGBUILD. So everybod

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Montag, 25. Januar 2010 03:55:22 schrieb Sven-Hendrik Haase: > I'm aware that I can get cdrtools from AUR. Even then, cdrkit uses > "replaces" and that spells "don't use cdrtools" for me. I don't see any replaces entry in our cdrkit PKGBUILD. So everybody should be free to replace cdrkit by cd

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 11:19 +0100, stefan-husm...@t-online.de wrote: > Hello, > > the only reason I did not move cdrtools to community was that license > reason. So if that is no showstopper anymore, I can maintain it. > > Regards Stefan I just checked alpha10, one of the first versions that

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: c drtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread stefan-husm...@t-online.de
-Original Message- > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:45:42 +0100 > Subject: Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs > cdrkit > From: Jan de Groot > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux > On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 09:37 +0100, Jan de Groot wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 03:

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 09:37 +0100, Jan de Groot wrote: > On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 03:55 +0100, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: > > I request using the original cdrtools in place of cdrkit. I know that > > it > > actually was that way once but it was changed due to uncertainty about > > licensing issues. It

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-25 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 03:55 +0100, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: > I request using the original cdrtools in place of cdrkit. I know that > it > actually was that way once but it was changed due to uncertainty about > licensing issues. It appears that these issues are now solved with the > conclusion th