Re: RFC - thoughts about Arch and init freedom?

2022-12-17 Thread Carsten Haitzler
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 22:46:12 +0100 Andreas Radke said: I think various others have said what I would say, so I'll just say +1 to "stay with systemd only". My summary: It's just not worth the effort for the gain to do multiple init systems and is un-Arch like to do this because it certainly does n

Re: RFC - thoughts about Arch and init freedom?

2022-12-17 Thread Pierre Schmitz
I would prefer to not start such discussions with abstract concepts about freedom, philosophy and vague issues users might have with systemd. As already stated, systemd provides tools that solve a lot more problems than simply starting a few daemons in a defined order. Our discussion should start a

Upcoming PHP 8.2 update and introduction of legacy packages

2022-12-17 Thread Pierre Schmitz
With the release to PHP 8.2 I will introduce a new set of packages to solve most of the issues with PHP updates. There are two valid requirements: On one hand people need the latest version to use its features or to develop new applications. And on the other hand users want to run third party appli

Re: RFC - thoughts about Arch and init freedom?

2022-12-17 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Am Fr., 16. Dez. 2022 um 22:46 Uhr schrieb Andreas Radke < andy...@archlinux.org>: > The older Arch developers may remember vaguely how Arch has introduced > [1] and migrated to systemd [2] becoming the new and only supported init > system. Back in these days we had some developers in our team bei