Re: svn binary packages for macOS

2021-11-08 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Oct 16, 2021, at 07:18, Daniel Sahlberg wrote:
> Den ons 6 okt. 2021 kl 00:46 skrev Ryan Schmidt:
>> On Oct 4, 2021, at 10:23, Daniel Sahlberg wrote:
>> 
>>> WANdisco is providing Subversion 1.10.6 for Mac OS 10.9. Is that version of 
>>> Mac OS supported by Fink/Homebrew/MacPorts?
>> 
>> I am a manager of MacPorts. MacPorts supports Mac OS X 10.4 and later and 
>> provides binaries for Mac OS X 10.6 and later. See:
>> 
>> https://ports.macports.org/port/subversion
>> 
>> (The link at https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html#osx should be 
>> updated to this.)
>> 
>> My understanding is that Homebrew requires OS X 10.9 or later and recommends 
>> macOS 10.14 or later.
> 
> Thank you Ryan for your effort in providing Subversion on OS X as far back as 
> 10.6 (and 10.4)!
> 
> Since we don't explicitly list the supported versions on other OSes, I 
> hesitate to add it to MacPorts. That kind of information will grow stale in 
> time and I don't think we will be able to maintain it as projects move on in 
> what versions they support. (I'm open to other opinions though!)

I didn't mean to suggest that you should add version information to the 
MacPorts listing. I meant to request that someone please change the URL that is 
hyperlinked to the word "MacPorts" on that page from the one that's currently 
there, which is outdated, to the new one which I provided above.



Re: svn binary packages for macOS

2021-11-08 Thread Daniel Sahlberg
Den mån 8 nov. 2021 kl 16:57 skrev Ryan Schmidt
:
>
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 07:18, Daniel Sahlberg wrote:
> > Den ons 6 okt. 2021 kl 00:46 skrev Ryan Schmidt:
> >> On Oct 4, 2021, at 10:23, Daniel Sahlberg wrote:
> >>
> >>> WANdisco is providing Subversion 1.10.6 for Mac OS 10.9. Is that version 
> >>> of Mac OS supported by Fink/Homebrew/MacPorts?
> >>
> >> I am a manager of MacPorts. MacPorts supports Mac OS X 10.4 and later and 
> >> provides binaries for Mac OS X 10.6 and later. See:
> >>
> >> https://ports.macports.org/port/subversion
> >>
> >> (The link at https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html#osx should be 
> >> updated to this.)
> >>
> >> My understanding is that Homebrew requires OS X 10.9 or later and 
> >> recommends macOS 10.14 or later.
> >
> > Thank you Ryan for your effort in providing Subversion on OS X as far back 
> > as 10.6 (and 10.4)!
> >
> > Since we don't explicitly list the supported versions on other OSes, I 
> > hesitate to add it to MacPorts. That kind of information will grow stale in 
> > time and I don't think we will be able to maintain it as projects move on 
> > in what versions they support. (I'm open to other opinions though!)
>
> I didn't mean to suggest that you should add version information to the 
> MacPorts listing. I meant to request that someone please change the URL that 
> is hyperlinked to the word "MacPorts" on that page from the one that's 
> currently there, which is outdated, to the new one which I provided above.

My bad, sorry about the misunderstanding. I've committed the change as
r1894844. Is it better now?

Kind regards
Daniel


Re: svn binary packages for macOS

2021-11-08 Thread Daniel Sahlberg
Den tors 21 okt. 2021 kl 18:03 skrev Nathan Hartman :
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 2:55 AM Daniel Sahlberg
>  wrote:
> >> Would it make sense to give them a heads up before removing the links in 
> >> case they would like to release newer packages and remain on the list?
> >
> >
> > Yes, if we have any contact channels (I'm not sure about sending to an 
> > anonymous info address) and as long as it doesn't violate ASF vendor 
> > neutrality. It is about caring for the ecosystem. Nathan, can you do this 
> > with the PMC chair hat?
>
>
> Apologies for the delayed reply...
>
> I'm also not too sure about sending to an anonymous info address. If
> someone knows who is the proper contact, I'll be happy to send a
> message.
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan

There has been some discussion but I don't think there was an actual
decision taken. So I'm throwing in a suggestion to add the following
text to packages.html (just below the regarding "larger collections of
software", and before the Centos Linux header):

A condition to be listed is to provide "reasonably new" versions.
   This should be interpreted as the latest patch release of any of the
   supported versions (at the time of writing: either of 1.10.6 or 1.14.1).
   The rule will be implemented with a fair amount of flexibility to
   allow time to release new packages, as well as any considerations
   regarding the release process. Please discuss at the mailto:users@subversion.apache.org";>Subversion users mailing
   list.

I believe it is reasonable to accept someone distributing only 1.10.6
since there may be acceptable reasons not to distribute 1.14.1 (for
example dependencies that are not possible to build on a certain
platform).

I added the "considerations regarding the release process" as a way to
ignore Linux distributions since they might ship what was current at
the time of their release and backport any important security fixes.

If it is ok to make the change, I suggest that we let it soak for a
while before reviewing and reviewing and removing those not
conformant.

Kind regards,
Daniel


Re: svn binary packages for macOS

2021-11-08 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Nov 8, 2021, at 12:21, Daniel Sahlberg wrote:
> 
> Den mån 8 nov. 2021 kl 16:57 skrev Ryan Schmidt:
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 07:18, Daniel Sahlberg wrote:
>>> 
> WANdisco is providing Subversion 1.10.6 for Mac OS 10.9. Is that version 
> of Mac OS supported by Fink/Homebrew/MacPorts?
 
 I am a manager of MacPorts. MacPorts supports Mac OS X 10.4 and later and 
 provides binaries for Mac OS X 10.6 and later. See:
 
 https://ports.macports.org/port/subversion
 
 (The link at https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html#osx should be 
 updated to this.)
 
 My understanding is that Homebrew requires OS X 10.9 or later and 
 recommends macOS 10.14 or later.
>>> 
>>> Thank you Ryan for your effort in providing Subversion on OS X as far back 
>>> as 10.6 (and 10.4)!
>>> 
>>> Since we don't explicitly list the supported versions on other OSes, I 
>>> hesitate to add it to MacPorts. That kind of information will grow stale in 
>>> time and I don't think we will be able to maintain it as projects move on 
>>> in what versions they support. (I'm open to other opinions though!)
>> 
>> I didn't mean to suggest that you should add version information to the 
>> MacPorts listing. I meant to request that someone please change the URL that 
>> is hyperlinked to the word "MacPorts" on that page from the one that's 
>> currently there, which is outdated, to the new one which I provided above.
> 
> My bad, sorry about the misunderstanding. I've committed the change as
> r1894844. Is it better now?

Yes! Thanks.