Re: svn.haxx.se is going away
Den ons 4 nov. 2020 kl 22:32 skrev Nathan Hartman : > On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 3:32 PM Mark Phippard wrote: > > > > Just a general fyi ... I went to https://svn.haxx.se/ today to search > the lists and noticed there is a banner on the site saying it is going > offline forever soon. > > > > I am not sure what the ramifications will be as I know there are a lot > of historical links in the docs and site but I guess it is what it is. > > Daniel (danielsh) has been trying to get Infra to import the material > from pre-2009 (pre-migration to ASF) into lists.apache.org to avoid > losing the archives from the earliest period of development, which > arguably contain some of the most important development information. > > See the discussion here: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r97c9c5208af706b067fd8e67a7cbe79b37255958bb087bf699b722f8%40%3Cdev.subversion.apache.org%3E > > Possibly it's still mirrored at home.apache.org but I can't check at the > moment. > > Nathan > Would it be considered a good thing if we manage to keep svn.haxx.se around? Even if Infra would get the old lists imported (I don't know what's holding them back), there are a bunch of references to the archives in the source (63 if I'm counting correctly), and in the website (87). I have reached out to Daniel Stenberg and he seems willing to discuss to point the domain name to another server. I could probably volunteer to keep the site alive, provided there is an agreement within @Dev this is a good thing. Or is it better to just do the job and update the sources and website? Kind regards Daniel Sahlberg (Daniel S... seems to be a popular name!)
Re: svn.haxx.se is going away
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:16 AM Daniel Sahlberg wrote: > > Would it be considered a good thing if we manage to keep svn.haxx.se > around? > Yes, I would consider that a good thing. Even if Infra would get the old lists imported (I don't know what's holding > them back), there are a bunch of references to the archives in the source > (63 if I'm counting correctly), and in the website (87). > There are many more links in emails, in log messages, etc. IIRC Infra said there's some software-related reason that holds them back from importing the old material. I have reached out to Daniel Stenberg and he seems willing to discuss to > point the domain name to another server. I could probably volunteer to keep > the site alive, provided there is an agreement within @Dev this is a good > thing. Or is it better to just do the job and update the sources and > website? > Thank you for reaching out. It would be ideal if 3 things happen: * keep svn.haxx.se alive to prevent breaking the myriad links that exist out there * getting the early years' SVN dev & users archives (2000-2009) onto ASF hardware one way or another; if it can't/won't be backfilled to lists.apache.org for whatever reasons, maybe it can be put on Subversion's website * updating the 63+87 links in the site and source to point to links hosted on ASF hardware svn.haxx.se also has archives for TSVN and Subclipse dev and users, which is another reason to keep that site alive if possible. Nathan
Re: svn.haxx.se is going away
Nathan Hartman wrote on Wed, 04 Nov 2020 16:32 -0500: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 3:32 PM Mark Phippard wrote: > > > > Just a general fyi ... I went to https://svn.haxx.se/ today to search the > > lists and noticed there is a banner on the site saying it is going offline > > forever soon. > > > > I am not sure what the ramifications will be as I know there are a lot of > > historical links in the docs and site but I guess it is what it is. > > Daniel (danielsh) has been trying to get Infra to import the material > from pre-2009 (pre-migration to ASF) into lists.apache.org to avoid > losing the archives from the earliest period of development, which > arguably contain some of the most important development information. > > See the discussion here: > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r97c9c5208af706b067fd8e67a7cbe79b37255958bb087bf699b722f8%40%3Cdev.subversion.apache.org%3E > > Possibly it's still mirrored at home.apache.org but I can't check at the > moment. It is — % ssh home.apache.org du -hs /home/danielsh/svn-haxx-se-mirror 245M/home/danielsh/svn-haxx-se-mirror % ssh svn-qavm.apache.org du -hs /x1/svn-haxx-se-mirror 245M/x1/svn-haxx-se-mirror — but I don't know that either of these is backed up, so please someone rsync either of those [they're identical] to their own hardware. Cheers, Daniel
Re: svn.haxx.se is going away
Daniel Sahlberg wrote on Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:16 +0100: > Den ons 4 nov. 2020 kl 22:32 skrev Nathan Hartman >: > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 3:32 PM Mark Phippard wrote: > > > > > > Just a general fyi ... I went to https://svn.haxx.se/ today to search > > the lists and noticed there is a banner on the site saying it is going > > offline forever soon. > > > > > > I am not sure what the ramifications will be as I know there are a lot > > of historical links in the docs and site but I guess it is what it is. > > > > Daniel (danielsh) has been trying to get Infra to import the material > > from pre-2009 (pre-migration to ASF) into lists.apache.org to avoid > > losing the archives from the earliest period of development, which > > arguably contain some of the most important development information. > > > > See the discussion here: > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r97c9c5208af706b067fd8e67a7cbe79b37255958bb087bf699b722f8%40%3Cdev.subversion.apache.org%3E > > And https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20213 > > Possibly it's still mirrored at home.apache.org but I can't check at the > > moment. > > > > Nathan > > > > Would it be considered a good thing if we manage to keep svn.haxx.se > around? Even if Infra would get the old lists imported (I don't know what's > holding them back), there are a bunch of references to the archives in the > source (63 if I'm counting correctly), and in the website (87). > Those in the website should be covered by site/publish/.message-ids.tsv. (See site/tools/ for the generating scripts.) The logic for converting the message-ids into URLs is embedded in [1] (which I have tried to make discoverable, [2], but that seems to have regressed, and I'm ENOTIME to chase it). [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/trunk/projects/asf-generate-mail-archives-link [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-19422 > I have reached out to Daniel Stenberg and he seems willing to discuss to > point the domain name to another server. I could probably volunteer to keep > the site alive, provided there is an agreement within @Dev this is a good > thing. Or is it better to just do the job and update the sources and > website? We should keep old links working, if possible. Ideally, not only links we happen to have lying around, but also other links (e.g., in people's non-public branches of https://github.com/apache/subversion). There's more than one way to preserve links (redirecting old URLs to new URLs for the same messages; keeping the site online but not updating; keeping the site online and updating, on ASF hardware, e.g., svn-qavm.a.o; etc.). Any and all assistance would be most welcome! > (Daniel S... seems to be a popular name!) It is, yes. And then there are people like danderson, who aren't named "Daniel" but still get in the way of tab-completing Daniels ☺ Cheers, Daniel
Re: svn.haxx.se is going away
Main point: Thanks to everyone helping this preservation effort. > * updating the 63+87 links in the site and source to point to links hosted on > ASF hardware > Observation: s/hardware/domain/. While the ASF has long promoted "on our own hardware", the more critical and often under-valued key to keeping control of one's Internet assets is "on our own domain name". That's assumed in this context, but something to keep in mind elsewhere. - Julian
