Re: Log viewer

[Zoltan Hoppar]

HI,

Yes, multiple log viewer available for Centos, but not for Fedora. It's
called ELSA.

HTH,

Zoltan


2013/11/10 lee 

> Javier Perez  writes:
>
> > Hi
> > Could somebody recommend a program to view logs like Xorg.0.log, dmesg,
> > boot.log, messages and others
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RE: Log viewer

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Hi
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Re: Log viewer

[Claude Jones]

On 11/09/2013 08:53 PM, Javier Perez wrote:

Hi
Could somebody recommend a program to view logs like Xorg.0.log, dmesg,
boot.log, messages and others


not mentioned so far are gnome-system-log and ksystemlog for the gnome 
and kde desktops -


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Re: Systemd Freezing on NetworkManager or Display Manager

[Rex Dieter]

Mark Bidewell wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Rex Dieter  wrote:

>> Probably the same problem, slower boots causing service timeouts all
>> over.

> Thanks do you know if any progress is being made on the performance
> issues?

Yes, (generally) tracked here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1006386

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Re: good bye -> Fwd: list-moderation -> Re: KDE without gnome-shell?

[EGO.II-1]

On 11/09/2013 07:22 PM, David wrote:

On 11/9/2013 4:54 PM, EGO.II-1 wrote:

On 11/09/2013 02:05 PM, David wrote:

On 11/9/2013 1:39 PM, EGO.II-1 wrote:

On 11/09/2013 08:23 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:

Interesting topic, What about the person who WAS once a devoted
personbut due to the responses he was gettingleftand after
trying a slew of other distros...couldn't find anything that compared to
this one?..so he came back, a bit subdued, and hoping his return goes
un-noticed.what category would he fall into?lurker?core
user?...casual user?...(and I MAY be opening myself up to "attack" from
certain people herebut guess I'll just take my lumps and bear it!
LoL!)


EGO II


Try not to take it personally. Most of "The Internet", at least the
parts I follow have taken a nasty tone over the last several years.

Here, for example, there are a lot of very knowledgeable people. They
really know what they are talking about.

But, at times, being Geeks, they take a simple omelet and turn it into
a 7
course dinner.  :-)


Sounds advice indeed! I guess I've grown my "skin" to be resistant
enough against the treatment I used to receiveas I get olderI
get wiser!


EGO II


Big smiles(s) go here.

Seriously? IMHO. Some times the ego(s) of the responder(s) gets in the
way of the simple needs of the OP.

As a n example? "My car won't start" and then turn that into a complete
conversation of how to disassemble this car, reassemble it, with several
'what the heck is that stuff items added' and when that does not/might
not work it then becomes a "try this' or 'try that' situation. I really
dislike 'try this - in *might* work' suggestions.

Long distance help and 'I can't touch your machine' help can be hard.
What bothers me is the geeks fighing amonst them selves.

And that simple statement will probably start the next $hit$storm for
me.  :-)

You have a good day. And from me at least, welcome back to Fedora.


Thanks! And I think that was the number one reason why I joined in the 
first place.,...the attitude of MOST of you people here?is in a 
class by itself!


Cheers!


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Re: Log viewer

[Lee]

On Nov 9, 2013 5:53 PM, "Javier Perez"  wrote:
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> Hi
> Could somebody recommend a program to view logs like Xorg.0.log, dmesg,
boot.log, messages and others
>

Not sure if it's in the repos but  elogv is what I use.
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Re: Systemd Freezing on NetworkManager or Display Manager

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 10.11.2013 15:44, schrieb Rex Dieter:

Mark Bidewell wrote:


On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Rex Dieter  wrote:



Probably the same problem, slower boots causing service timeouts all
over.



Thanks do you know if any progress is being made on the performance
issues?


Yes, (generally) tracked here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1006386


Thanks, that is probably what struck me when writing this message:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-October/441928.html
which was left unanswered (perhaps due to not pointing out clearly 
enaugh what the problem was).

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DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

Recently we have begun to have problems with our browsers stopping to 
work, ask it to go to a bookmark address and nothing happens, everything 
stops until an error message comes up that the address can not be found.


Thunderbird continues to receive e-mail unless I restart Thunderbird, 
then it is unable to find gmail.com. The problem exists on two F-19 
computers and several Apple computers on the LAN, in fact I often become 
aware of the problem when someone complains that the internet connection 
is down.


I can always restore normal operation by re-starting the Viasat modem, a 
process that takes several minutes and is an annoyance.


I have determined that I can enter a numeric address e.g. 199.106.52.212 
for viasat.com and that works as expected. At the request of viasat tech 
support I tried taking the router out of the circuit and connecting 
directly to the modem, that effected no change. Curiously, at the time 
this this morning when the problem was manifest tech support's "computer 
was down" which left me wondering if there was a correlation with my 
apparent DNS problem. I was asked to call back in a few hours, I did that.


The tech support person seemed to take offense at my claiming there was 
a DNS problem and went on to explain that I probably have a dhcp problem 
and we need to start by "re-setting my NIC."  From there on the 
conversation began to deteriorate and she accused me of shouting at her, 
I was able to extricate myself gracefully after that and agree that I 
would call back when I had more time to devote to troubleshooting.


Am I missing some point here? Is there some connection between dhcp and 
dns that I am not aware of. My dhcp server is in the router and deals 
with about thirty addresses on the LAN and works faultlessly as far as I 
can see.


Any thoughts appreciated,

Bob


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Re: DNS problem -

[staticsafe]

On 11/10/2013 14:57, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> 
> Recently we have begun to have problems with our browsers stopping to
> work, ask it to go to a bookmark address and nothing happens, everything
> stops until an error message comes up that the address can not be found.
> 
> Thunderbird continues to receive e-mail unless I restart Thunderbird,
> then it is unable to find gmail.com. The problem exists on two F-19
> computers and several Apple computers on the LAN, in fact I often become
> aware of the problem when someone complains that the internet connection
> is down.
> 
> I can always restore normal operation by re-starting the Viasat modem, a
> process that takes several minutes and is an annoyance.
> 
> I have determined that I can enter a numeric address e.g. 199.106.52.212
> for viasat.com and that works as expected. At the request of viasat tech
> support I tried taking the router out of the circuit and connecting
> directly to the modem, that effected no change. Curiously, at the time
> this this morning when the problem was manifest tech support's "computer
> was down" which left me wondering if there was a correlation with my
> apparent DNS problem. I was asked to call back in a few hours, I did that.
> 
> The tech support person seemed to take offense at my claiming there was
> a DNS problem and went on to explain that I probably have a dhcp problem
> and we need to start by "re-setting my NIC."  From there on the
> conversation began to deteriorate and she accused me of shouting at her,
> I was able to extricate myself gracefully after that and agree that I
> would call back when I had more time to devote to troubleshooting.
> 
> Am I missing some point here? Is there some connection between dhcp and
> dns that I am not aware of. My dhcp server is in the router and deals
> with about thirty addresses on the LAN and works faultlessly as far as I
> can see.
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated,
> 
> Bob
> 
> 

DHCP is used to distribute DNS resolvers to your LAN.

What resolvers do you get via DHCP?

(Check Network Manager or /etc/resolv.conf)
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Re: DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 10/11/13 15:10, staticsafe wrote:

On 11/10/2013 14:57, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

Recently we have begun to have problems with our browsers stopping to
work, ask it to go to a bookmark address and nothing happens, everything
stops until an error message comes up that the address can not be found.

Thunderbird continues to receive e-mail unless I restart Thunderbird,
then it is unable to find gmail.com. The problem exists on two F-19
computers and several Apple computers on the LAN, in fact I often become
aware of the problem when someone complains that the internet connection
is down.

I can always restore normal operation by re-starting the Viasat modem, a
process that takes several minutes and is an annoyance.

I have determined that I can enter a numeric address e.g. 199.106.52.212
for viasat.com and that works as expected. At the request of viasat tech
support I tried taking the router out of the circuit and connecting
directly to the modem, that effected no change. Curiously, at the time
this this morning when the problem was manifest tech support's "computer
was down" which left me wondering if there was a correlation with my
apparent DNS problem. I was asked to call back in a few hours, I did that.

The tech support person seemed to take offense at my claiming there was
a DNS problem and went on to explain that I probably have a dhcp problem
and we need to start by "re-setting my NIC."  From there on the
conversation began to deteriorate and she accused me of shouting at her,
I was able to extricate myself gracefully after that and agree that I
would call back when I had more time to devote to troubleshooting.

Am I missing some point here? Is there some connection between dhcp and
dns that I am not aware of. My dhcp server is in the router and deals
with about thirty addresses on the LAN and works faultlessly as far as I
can see.

Any thoughts appreciated,

Bob



DHCP is used to distribute DNS resolvers to your LAN.

What resolvers do you get via DHCP?

(Check Network Manager or /etc/resolv.conf)


Well this is what I see:

[bobg@box10 ~]$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Generated by NetworkManager
nameserver 192.168.1.1


192.168.1.1 is my Linksys E3000 DD-WRT router.

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Re: DNS problem -

[staticsafe]

On 11/10/2013 15:17, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> Well this is what I see:
> 
> [bobg@box10 ~]$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
> # Generated by NetworkManager
> nameserver 192.168.1.1
> 
> 
> 192.168.1.1 is my Linksys E3000 DD-WRT router.
> 

DD-WRT usually runs a forwarder, check your router to see where it is
forwarding DNS queries.
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Re: DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 10/11/13 15:19, staticsafe wrote:

On 11/10/2013 15:17, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

Well this is what I see:

[bobg@box10 ~]$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Generated by NetworkManager
nameserver 192.168.1.1


192.168.1.1 is my Linksys E3000 DD-WRT router.


DD-WRT usually runs a forwarder, check your router to see where it is
forwarding DNS queries.


I used to subscribe to open.dns but with this satellite system it no 
longer functions and we are required to use their dns which is part of 
some optimization system Viasat uses.


DD-WRT configuration is set for the following:

182.63.128.68 and 182.63.128.69

Normally it works well and does its job instantly as far as I can tell.

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Re: DNS problem -

[staticsafe]

On 11/10/2013 15:29, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> 
> I used to subscribe to open.dns but with this satellite system it no
> longer functions and we are required to use their dns which is part of
> some optimization system Viasat uses.
> 
> DD-WRT configuration is set for the following:
> 
> 182.63.128.68 and 182.63.128.69
> 
> Normally it works well and does its job instantly as far as I can tell.
> 

dresden ~ # dig google.com @182.63.128.68

; <<>> DiG 9.9.3-P2 <<>> google.com @182.63.128.68
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

dresden ~ # dig google.com @182.63.128.69

; <<>> DiG 9.9.3-P2 <<>> google.com @182.63.128.69
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

That might be your problem, I would suggest testing yourself to see if
they are down for you as well.

As a temporary measure you can use Google Public DNS:
https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/


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Re: DNS problem -

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/11/13 05:38, staticsafe wrote:
> On 11/10/2013 15:29, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
>> I used to subscribe to open.dns but with this satellite system it no
>> longer functions and we are required to use their dns which is part of
>> some optimization system Viasat uses.
>>
>> DD-WRT configuration is set for the following:
>>
>> 182.63.128.68 and 182.63.128.69
>>
>> Normally it works well and does its job instantly as far as I can tell.
>>
> dresden ~ # dig google.com @182.63.128.68
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.9.3-P2 <<>> google.com @182.63.128.68
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
>
> dresden ~ # dig google.com @182.63.128.69
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.9.3-P2 <<>> google.com @182.63.128.69
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
>
> That might be your problem, I would suggest testing yourself to see if
> they are down for you as well.
>
> As a temporary measure you can use Google Public DNS:
> https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/

whois shows those IP's belonging to DiGi Telecommunications Sdn Bhd in Malaysia.

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Re: DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 10/11/13 16:38, staticsafe wrote:

DD-WRT configuration is set for the following:
>
>182.63.128.68 and 182.63.128.69
>
>Normally it works well and does its job instantly as far as I can tell.
>

dresden ~ # dig google.com @182.63.128.68

; <<>> DiG 9.9.3-P2 <<>> google.com @182.63.128.68
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

dresden ~ # dig google.com @182.63.128.69

; <<>> DiG 9.9.3-P2 <<>> google.com @182.63.128.69
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

That might be your problem, I would suggest testing yourself to see if
they are down for you as well.

As a temporary measure you can use Google Public DNS:
https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/
No, it won't allow any other DNS server, no matter what I configure it 
for it always goes to theirs, that's why I gave up open.dns. This was a 
change when they began to offer this high speed service, before that I 
always used some other DNS server.


[bobg@box10 ~]$ dig google.com @182.63.128.68

; <<>> DiG 9.9.3-rl.13207.22-P2-RedHat-9.9.3-5.P2.fc19 <<>> google.com 
@182.63.128.68

;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 61788
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 11, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;google.com.INA

;; ANSWER SECTION:
google.com.1INA74.125.224.206
google.com.1INA74.125.224.192
google.com.1INA74.125.224.193
google.com.1INA74.125.224.194
google.com.1INA74.125.224.195
google.com.1INA74.125.224.196
google.com.1INA74.125.224.197
google.com.1INA74.125.224.198
google.com.1INA74.125.224.199
google.com.1INA74.125.224.200
google.com.1INA74.125.224.201

;; Query time: 5 msec
;; SERVER: 182.63.128.68#53(182.63.128.68)
;; WHEN: Sun Nov 10 17:28:41 EST 2013
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 204


I'll try dig next time it goes out. I should have done that this morning 
when it went down.


Thanks for the help.

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Re: DNS problem -

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/11/13 06:32, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> No, it won't allow any other DNS server, no matter what I configure it for it 
> always goes to theirs, that's why I gave up open.dns. This was a change when 
> they began to offer this high speed service, before that I always used some 
> other DNS server.
>
> [bobg@box10 ~]$ dig google.com @182.63.128.68
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.9.3-rl.13207.22-P2-RedHat-9.9.3-5.P2.fc19 <<>> google.com 
> @182.63.128.68
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 61788
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 11, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;google.com.INA
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.206
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.192
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.193
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.194
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.195
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.196
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.197
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.198
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.199
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.200
> google.com.1INA74.125.224.201
>
> ;; Query time: 5 msec
> ;; SERVER: 182.63.128.68#53(182.63.128.68)
> ;; WHEN: Sun Nov 10 17:28:41 EST 2013
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 204
>
>
> I'll try dig next time it goes out. I should have done that this morning when 
> it went down.
>
> Thanks for the help. 

Quite some time ago it was determined that your ISP uses "transparent DNS 
proxy" to force you to use their DNS servers.

But, I really would ask them about their use of IP addresses  as this is 
the output of whois 182.63.128.68

inetnum:182.62.0.0 - 182.63.255.255
netname:DIGI-MY
descr:  DiGi Telecommunications Sdn Bhd
descr:  Lot 10, Jalan Delima 1/1, Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park,
descr:  4 Shah Alam, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia
country:MY
admin-c:DIA1-AP
tech-c: DI39-AP
mnt-by: APNIC-HM
mnt-lower:  MAINT-MY-DIGI-SB
mnt-routes: MAINT-MY-DIGI-SB
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
remarks:-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
remarks:This object can only be updated by APNIC hostmasters.
remarks:To update this object, please contact APNIC
remarks:hostmasters and include your organisation's account
remarks:name in the subject line.
remarks:-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
mnt-irt:IRT-DIGI-MY
changed:hm-chan...@apnic.net 20100224
source: APNIC

One wonders if their screwing with IP addresses doesn't fail at times.  Maybe, 
sometimes, they actually transmit the DNS request to Malaysia.   I would ask 
the ISP what the IP address of their DNS servers should be.


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Re: DNS problem -

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On 11/10/2013 02:29 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> DD-WRT configuration is set for the following:
> 
> 182.63.128.68 and 182.63.128.69

Use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 (Google Public DNS Servers) or 208.67.222.222
and 208.67.220.220 (OpenDNS)

The problem is probably with your ISP's DNS servers.

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Re: DNS problem -

[Sam Varshavchik]

Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA writes:

No, it won't allow any other DNS server, no matter what I configure it for  
it always goes to theirs, that's why I gave up open.dns. This was a change


DD-WRT does not give you the option to use fixed DNS servers, instead of  
whatever DHCP servers it gets via DHCP from your ISP?


I'm surprised to hear that. Or, rereading what you earlier wrote, maybe  
you're saying that your ISP blocks port 53 traffic, and will only let you  
use their DNS servers.


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Re: DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 10/11/13 19:12, Steven Stern wrote:

Use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 (Google Public DNS Servers) or 208.67.222.222
and 208.67.220.220 (OpenDNS)

The problem is probably with your ISP's DNS servers.


Yes, those worked well when I was able to use them, this system goes to 
it's own DNS no matter what I ask it, and the DNS they provide works 
well most of the time, it's just that recently I have been seeing it 
fail and fixing it requires rebooting the Viasat modem.


I need to convince them they have a problem, will check more next time 
it goes out.


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Re: DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 10/11/13 18:24, Ed Greshko wrote:

Quite some time ago it was determined that your ISP uses "transparent DNS 
proxy" to force you to use their DNS servers.

But, I really would ask them about their use of IP addresses  as this is 
the output of whois 182.63.128.68

inetnum:182.62.0.0 - 182.63.255.255
netname:DIGI-MY
descr:  DiGi Telecommunications Sdn Bhd
descr:  Lot 10, Jalan Delima 1/1, Subang Hi-Tech Industrial Park,
descr:  4 Shah Alam, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia
country:MY
admin-c:DIA1-AP
tech-c: DI39-AP
mnt-by: APNIC-HM
mnt-lower:  MAINT-MY-DIGI-SB
mnt-routes: MAINT-MY-DIGI-SB
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
remarks:-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
remarks:This object can only be updated by APNIC hostmasters.
remarks:To update this object, please contact APNIC
remarks:hostmasters and include your organisation's account
remarks:name in the subject line.
remarks:-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
mnt-irt:IRT-DIGI-MY
changed:hm-chan...@apnic.net  20100224
source: APNIC

One wonders if their screwing with IP addresses doesn't fail at times.  Maybe, 
sometimes, they actually transmit the DNS request to Malaysia.   I would ask 
the ISP what the IP address of their DNS servers should be.


I don't remember how I got those DNS addresses but they have been 
working for a couple of years without a problem until recently. I will 
look into it some more tomorrow.


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Re: DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 10/11/13 19:28, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA writes:

No, it won't allow any other DNS server, no matter what I configure 
it for it always goes to theirs, that's why I gave up open.dns. This 
was a change


DD-WRT does not give you the option to use fixed DNS servers, instead 
of whatever DHCP servers it gets via DHCP from your ISP?


I'm surprised to hear that. Or, rereading what you earlier wrote, 
maybe you're saying that your ISP blocks port 53 traffic, and will 
only let you use their DNS servers.





DD-WRT will let me use any DNS I want, it's Viasat's system that changes 
it. They do some sort of caching to reduce traffic through the satellite 
apparently ... Initially I had it configured for open.dns but it wasn't 
long before I found it wasn't going there.


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Re: DNS problem -

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 10 November 2013, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia,
USA sent:
> Am I missing some point here? Is there some connection between dhcp
> and dns that I am not aware of. My dhcp server is in the router and
> deals with about thirty addresses on the LAN and works faultlessly as
> far as I can see.

(Almost) only as far as making sure that your DHCP server tells its
clients the right IP to use for their DNS queries.  Which it looks like
it is, from subsequent replies.

DCHP servers tell the clients various things to configure their network,
one of which is what DNS server IPs to use.  Others are the clients own
IP, and things like the gateway (where the clients connect through to
the outside world), netmask (which sets the boundary between what's
inside or outside).

So, if your clients have proper networking addresses, you can ignore
debugging your DHCP server configuration.  If they have some details
wrong, then you need to check whether your DHCP server is doling out the
right information, or your clients are ignoring it (some people set
manual overriding configurations on their PCs).

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Re: DNS problem -

[Sam Varshavchik]

Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA writes:




On 10/11/13 19:28, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA writes:

No, it won't allow any other DNS server, no matter what I configure it for  
it always goes to theirs, that's why I gave up open.dns. This was a change


DD-WRT does not give you the option to use fixed DNS servers, instead of  
whatever DHCP servers it gets via DHCP from your ISP?


I'm surprised to hear that. Or, rereading what you earlier wrote, maybe  
you're saying that your ISP blocks port 53 traffic, and will only let you  
use their DNS servers.





DD-WRT will let me use any DNS I want, it's Viasat's system that changes it.  
They do some sort of caching to reduce traffic through the satellite  
apparently ... Initially I had it configured for open.dns but it wasn't long  
before I found it wasn't going there.


The only option I can think of is to use an SSL-based VPN tunnel, to a  
friendly VPS provider. Of course, this is going to kill your bandwidth.




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Re: DNS problem -

[Sam Varshavchik]

Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA writes:




On 10/11/13 19:12, Steven Stern wrote:

Use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 (Google Public DNS Servers) or 208.67.222.222
and 208.67.220.220 (OpenDNS)

The problem is probably with your ISP's DNS servers.


Yes, those worked well when I was able to use them, this system goes to it's  
own DNS no matter what I ask it, and the DNS they provide works well most of  
the time, it's just that recently I have been seeing it fail and fixing it  
requires rebooting the Viasat modem.


I need to convince them they have a problem, will check more next time it  
goes out.


Get someone on the horn who has a minimum of an understanding, and tell them  
you can't ping their DNS servers.




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Re: DNS problem -

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 10 November 2013, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia,
USA sent:
> I used to subscribe to open.dns but with this satellite system it no 
> longer functions and we are required to use their dns which is part of
> some optimization system Viasat uses. 

There is a chance that you could still use an outside DNS service, if
you can access one that uses a different port than your ISP is
intercepting.  This would, also, depend on you either making up TCP/IP
redirection rules on your gateway so your clients queries go to that
unusual port.  Or, running your own DNS server on a PC.  You'd configure
your clients to use that DNS server as a normal DNS server, and you'd
configure the DNS server to do the unusual port queries.

ISPs are notorious for having awful DNS services, particularly ones that
play silly games with forcing you to use them.  So running your own DNS
server, that's totally under your control, can be quite advantageous.

The mini DNS servers in some modem/routers are awful, and have no
configuration options.  Some modem/routers don't have a DNS server, they
simply act as a proxy between you and the ISP supplied DNS server IPs.

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Re: DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 10/11/13 19:53, Sam Varshavchik wrote:


I need to convince them they have a problem, will check more next 
time it goes out.


Get someone on the horn who has a minimum of an understanding, and 
tell them you can't ping their DNS servers.


Yes, I intend to do that, thought I had enough information this morning 
but the tech support person took offense at being told their DNS was 
failing and began telling me some bazaar things, she was confusing mac 
addresses with URLs, wanted to test my NIC. I explained that the trouble 
was with two Linux computers and several Apple Mac devices. I was 
getting no where ... :-(


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Re: DNS problem -

[Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 10/11/13 19:54, Tim wrote:

There is a chance that you could still use an outside DNS service, if
you can access one that uses a different port than your ISP is
intercepting.  This would, also, depend on you either making up TCP/IP
redirection rules on your gateway so your clients queries go to that
unusual port.  Or, running your own DNS server on a PC.  You'd configure
your clients to use that DNS server as a normal DNS server, and you'd
configure the DNS server to do the unusual port queries.

ISPs are notorious for having awful DNS services, particularly ones that
play silly games with forcing you to use them.  So running your own DNS
server, that's totally under your control, can be quite advantageous.

The mini DNS servers in some modem/routers are awful, and have no
configuration options.  Some modem/routers don't have a DNS server, they
simply act as a proxy between you and the ISP supplied DNS server IPs.


Yes,when I began using this service I was advised not to try to work 
around their system since it would result in my being charged for higher 
usage and my allotment is limited. Further more their system does other 
things that I don't want to lose, namely the "free time" during the wee 
hours when I can allow the Apple computers to connect with iCloud, etc. 
DD-WRT is configured to deal with thatand as I say it all works except 
for this intermittent loss of DNS that has cropped up recently.


Normally the system works well, I don't want to change it, I just need 
to convince them there is a DNS problem and I think it is in their 
system. This thread has provided some help in how to do that.


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