[Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

2010-01-22 Thread Torkil Olesen
I confirm, that in my opinion the bug has to do with permissions/policy.
The problem exists not only in Nautilus.

In my bug-report (Bug #485684) I have mentioned the possibility, that
use of floppy drive from ordinary GUI has been marked bad by the
Operating System, because of problems with mounting/unmounting.

(If the OS don't know, that a disk has been removed and another one
inserted, then the disk looks unreliable, because the data has changed
without reason.)

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[Bug 485684] [NEW] setup of floppy drive have big problems

2009-11-20 Thread Torkil Olesen
Public bug reported:

There MUST be a serious bug in the setup for floppy drives in ubuntu.


I don't have much experience with linux or unix, but I have a lot of
experience with DOS and floppy drives from PET in 1979, Apple II, AMIGA,
and different PC's with DOS and Windows versions.

During 30 years I have NEVER got problems with floppy drives as in
linux. The problems were there 10 years ago, when I tried Open Linux,
and they exists in ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10.


I can see from questions, that many people have had problems, and I have
tried some of the proposals given in the answers. They did not work on
my system, but I have found a solution, which works for me in ubuntu in
an upgraded version 9.10: The command in terminal:

mount /media/floppy0

works, and I get an icon Floppy0 on the desktop.

Although it works, the disk utility (Palimpsets) tells unknown size and
no media in floppy disk drive at /dev/fd0 : It seems to check the drive;
the light shows up, but nothing happens ??


In an old machine I have an Imation 120 MB drive, and this one is
recognised at once by ubuntu 9.04 and works, but not so good as in
Windows.

At a new PC with upgraded ubuntu 9.10 I can use a usb disk drive - also
without problems, but at both machines the build-in floppy drives gives
problems. I have dual boot, and all drives works well in Windows.


I don't ask for workarounds. In all the systems I have known, the floppy disk 
drive works at the ever first setup!

So the conclusion must be, that there is a serious bug in ubuntu, and I
just do not understand, why it has not been solved long ago.

** Affects: ubuntu
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 485684] Re: setup of floppy drive have big problems

2009-11-21 Thread Torkil Olesen
** Description changed:

  There MUST be a serious bug in the setup for floppy drives in ubuntu.
- 
  
  I don't have much experience with linux or unix, but I have a lot of
  experience with DOS and floppy drives from PET in 1979, Apple II, AMIGA,
  and different PC's with DOS and Windows versions.
  
  During 30 years I have NEVER got problems with floppy drives as in
  linux. The problems were there 10 years ago, when I tried Open Linux,
  and they exists in ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10.
- 
  
  I can see from questions, that many people have had problems, and I have
  tried some of the proposals given in the answers. They did not work on
  my system, but I have found a solution, which works for me in ubuntu in
  an upgraded version 9.10: The command in terminal:
  
  mount /media/floppy0
  
  works, and I get an icon Floppy0 on the desktop.
  
  Although it works, the disk utility (Palimpsets) tells unknown size and
  no media in floppy disk drive at /dev/fd0 : It seems to check the drive;
  the light shows up, but nothing happens ??
  
- 
  In an old machine I have an Imation 120 MB drive, and this one is
  recognised at once by ubuntu 9.04 and works, but not so good as in
  Windows.
  
- At a new PC with upgraded ubuntu 9.10 I can use a usb disk drive - also
- without problems, but at both machines the build-in floppy drives gives
- problems. I have dual boot, and all drives works well in Windows.
+ At a newer PC with upgraded ubuntu 9.10 I can use a usb disk drive -
+ also without problems, but at both machines the build-in floppy drives
+ gives problems. I have dual boot, and all drives works well in Windows.
  
- 
- I don't ask for workarounds. In all the systems I have known, the floppy disk 
drive works at the ever first setup!
+ I don't ask for workarounds. In all the systems I have known, the floppy
+ disk drive works at the ever first setup!
  
  So the conclusion must be, that there is a serious bug in ubuntu, and I
  just do not understand, why it has not been solved long ago.

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[Bug 485684] Re: setup of floppy drive have big problems

2009-11-21 Thread Torkil Olesen
I have reached a further step in analysing the bug:


I have installed the program StartUp-Manager in ubuntu 9.10, and with
this program I have made a bootable Rescue Grub floppy disk.

It worked in my build-in floppy drive (although I had not mounted the
drive), and the floppy disk can boot my computer in the same build-in
floppy drive.

This tells me, that it is very unlikely, that there is any problems in
the drive or in the driver for floppy drives.


The solutions given in answers to problems with floppy drives is also
commands, and if it were problems in drive or driver, commands would not
help. My drive works with the mount command.


The problem seems to be the in the interface and especially in the GUI
interface.


In Filehandling (translated from Danish) I have a possibility with the
Danish name: diskettedrev (floppy disk drive). If I click with left
mouse button (one or two times) nothing happens. If I use the right
button, I get the possibilities of: OPEN - nothing happens; or FIND
MEDIA - the light of the drive turns on, and there is heard a bit noise
- but nothing more.

  The computer knows, that there is a drive, but cannot handle it from
the GUI interface. It is the same, which I already have mentioned
happens in disk utility (Palimpsets). It knows, that the drive exists,
and where it is, but cannot handle it.


I can open my disk with a click on the icon: Floppy0 on desktop, when I have 
mounted the drive in /media/floppy0 .


Why can't the GUI interface open the floppy disk with a click?
I my experience, (I think), it has been able to do it a few times, but not now! 
This unstableness might give a hint of, where to find the bug.

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[Bug 485684] Re: setup of floppy drive have big problems

2009-11-22 Thread Torkil Olesen
>From my analysing of the problems in setup of floppy drives follows an
intuitive understanding of what happens:

I think, that it works well in a totally new installed version, and from 
programmers viewpoint everything is OK.
Then I comes with habits from Windows. I open the floppy disk and use it, but 
later I remove the disk without unmounting it and insert another one. From the 
viewpoint of Linux Operating System this is a fatal error, and when I have done 
it a couple of times, my use of the floppy drive is automatically blocked!

>From my viewpoint this is a bug. I think, I should have a warning from
the GUI interface, when I remove a floppy disk without unmounting, and I
think, there should be an alternative possibility in the GUI for
removing the blocking of the floppy drive.

I do not think, I can do more relating this problem. I must ask, if one with 
sufficient knowledge of system and source code would please check my theory, 
and if it is correct, then make changes in the GUI interface.
If ubuntu should become a desktop solution for common users, I think it is 
important to solve problems of this kind.

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A much bigger question is the necessity of mounting and unmounting in ubuntu. I 
think the implementing goes back to the use of big tape wheels mounted 
vertically. It was of course a fatal error to start the wheel without having 
mounted it safely, but this situation does not exist any more!

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[Bug 485684] AlsaDevices.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "AlsaDevices.txt"
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[Bug 485684] PciMultimedia.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "PciMultimedia.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/3598/PciMultimedia.txt

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[Bug 485684] ProcCpuinfo.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "ProcCpuinfo.txt"
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[Bug 485684] apport-collect data

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen
Architecture: i386
AudioDevicesInUse:
 USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
 /dev/snd/controlC0:  to 1508 F pulseaudio
CRDA: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
Card0.Amixer.info:
 Card hw:0 'CMI8738'/'C-Media CMI8738 (model 55) at 0xcc00, irq 20'
   Mixer name   : 'CMedia PCI'
   Components   : ''
   Controls  : 41
   Simple ctrls  : 22
Card1.Amixer.info:
 Card hw:1 'UART'/'MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 10'
   Mixer name   : ''
   Components   : ''
   Controls  : 0
   Simple ctrls  : 0
Card1.Amixer.values:
 
CurrentDmesg:
 [   36.290597] agpgart-intel :00:00.0: AGP 2.0 bridge
 [   36.290623] agpgart-intel :00:00.0: putting AGP V2 device into 4x mode
 [   36.290652] nvidia :01:00.0: putting AGP V2 device into 4x mode
 [   37.186466] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=d68c6b3c-4040-4a70-9a2e-c7445a7d1cfc
IwConfig:
 lono wireless extensions.
 
 eth0  no wireless extensions.
Lsusb:
 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
Package: linux (not installed)
ProcCmdLine: root=UUID=ecc3425b-7ee3-4685-be29-3e8bef062f78 ro quiet splash
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, no user)
 LANG=da_DK.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-14.48-generic
RelatedPackageVersions:
 linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-14-generic N/A
 linux-firmware 1.24
RfKill:
 
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-14-generic i686
UserGroups: adm admin audio cdrom dialout fuse lpadmin plugdev root sambashare 
video
WpaSupplicantLog:
 
XsessionErrors:
 (gnome-settings-daemon:1565): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_propagate_error: assertion 
`src != NULL' failed
 (gnome-settings-daemon:1565): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_propagate_error: assertion 
`src != NULL' failed
 (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:1594): GLib-CRITICAL **: 
g_once_init_leave: assertion `initialization_value != 0' failed
 (nautilus:1585): Eel-CRITICAL **: eel_preferences_get_boolean: assertion 
`preferences_is_initialized ()' failed
 (nautilus:1675): Eel-CRITICAL **: eel_preferences_get_boolean: assertion 
`preferences_is_initialized ()' failed
dmi.bios.date: 02/21/2002
dmi.bios.vendor: Award Software International, Inc.
dmi.bios.version: 6.00 PG
dmi.board.name: MS-6513
dmi.board.vendor: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD
dmi.chassis.type: 3
dmi.modalias: 
dmi:bvnAwardSoftwareInternational,Inc.:bvr6.00PG:bd02/21/2002:svnMEDIONPC:pn:pvr:rvnMICRO-STARINTERNATIONALCO.,LTD:rnMS-6513:rvr:cvn:ct3:cvr:
dmi.sys.vendor: MEDIONPC

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[Bug 485684] AplayDevices.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "AplayDevices.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35981095/AplayDevices.txt

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[Bug 485684] Lspci.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "Lspci.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35981109/Lspci.txt

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[Bug 485684] ProcModules.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "ProcModules.txt"
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[Bug 485684] WifiSyslog.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "WifiSyslog.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35981136/WifiSyslog.txt

** Tags added: apport-collected

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[Bug 485684] ArecordDevices.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "ArecordDevices.txt"
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[Bug 485684] ProcInterrupts.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "ProcInterrupts.txt"
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[Bug 485684] BootDmesg.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "BootDmesg.txt"
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[Bug 485684] UdevLog.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

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[Bug 485684] Card0.Amixer.values.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

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[Bug 485684] UdevDb.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen

** Attachment added: "UdevDb.txt"
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Re: [Bug 485684] Re: setup of floppy drive have big problems

2009-11-23 Thread Torkil Olesen
Before I gave the command, I had opened Thunderbird (and closed again) 
to read the message  and have the exact command.
I hope, this is OK.

Torkil


Sergio Zanchetta skrev:
> Could you please open a terminal and give this command?
> sudo apport-collect -p linux 485684
>
> Please do it just after boot, without mounting floppy via "mount etc."
>
> This retrieve useful information that help understanding the problem.
> Thank you.
>
>

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working (Ubuntu 9.10)

2009-11-24 Thread Torkil Olesen
I just want to comment, that my floppy drive works well in an updated
version of 9.04 to 9.10, but it does not work from the common GUI
interface.

See my description in Bug #485684

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working

2009-11-25 Thread Torkil Olesen
I will try to see this problem with the computers knowledge:
Logical or idiotic, computers continue to do, what they have been ordered to.
In linux and unix it has been an order, that everything has to be mounted 
before use and unmounted after use. The computer knows this, and if a floppy 
disk is removed and replaced with another one without mounting, the computer 
must consider it a failure of the drive, because the contents in the media has 
changed without reason. (Floppy drives does not automatically tells the 
computer, that the media is changed.)
Therefore the computer marks the floppy drive at that position as unreliable, 
and prohibits the use.
We cannot use the drive at that position, but we can mount and use it in 
another position, because it might be another drive according the computers 
knowledge.

I think this explains, what we have experienced, and this might help to
find the orders, which could change the knowledge of the computer.

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working

2009-11-25 Thread Torkil Olesen
I will try to see this problem with the computers knowledge:
Logical or idiotic, computers continue to do, what they have been ordered to.
In linux and unix it has been an order, that everything has to be mounted 
before use and unmounted after use. The computer knows this, and if a floppy 
disk is removed and replaced with another one without mounting, the computer 
must consider it a failure of the drive, because the contents in the media has 
changed without reason. (Floppy drives does not automatically tells the 
computer, that the media is changed.)
Therefore the computer marks the floppy drive at that position as unreliable, 
and prohibits the use.
We cannot use the drive at that position, but we can mount and use it in 
another position, because it might be another drive according the computers 
knowledge.

I think this explains, what we have experienced, and this might help to
find the orders, which could change the knowledge of the computer.

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working

2009-11-25 Thread Torkil Olesen

I will try to see this problem with the computers knowledge:
Logical or idiotic, computers continue to do, what they have been ordered to.
In linux and unix it has been an order, that everything has to be mounted 
before use and unmounted after use. The computer knows this, and if a floppy 
disk is removed and replaced with another one without mounting, the computer 
must consider it a failure of the drive, because the contents in the media has 
changed without reason. (Floppy drives does not automatically tells the 
computer, that the media is changed.)
Therefore the computer marks the floppy drive at that position as unreliable, 
and prohibits the use.
We cannot use the drive at that position, but we can mount and use it in 
another position, because it might be another drive according the computers 
knowledge.

I think this explains, what we have experienced, and this might help to
find the orders, which could change the knowledge of the computer.

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working

2009-11-25 Thread Torkil Olesen

I will try to see this problem with the computers knowledge:
Logical or idiotic, computers continue to do, what they have been ordered to.
In linux and unix it has been an order, that everything has to be mounted 
before use and unmounted after use. The computer knows this, and if a floppy 
disk is removed and replaced with another one without mounting, the computer 
must consider it a failure of the drive, because the contents in the media has 
changed without reason. (Floppy drives does not automatically tells the 
computer, that the media is changed.)
Therefore the computer marks the floppy drive at that position as unreliable, 
and prohibits the use.
We cannot use the drive at that position, but we can mount and use it in 
another position, because it might be another drive according the computers 
knowledge.

I think this explains, what we have experienced, and this might help to
find the orders, which could change the knowledge of the computer.

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working

2009-11-25 Thread Torkil Olesen
I got an error, when trying to post the comment (do not know why), and
therefore posted it again.

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working

2009-12-02 Thread Torkil Olesen
Has anyone examined the possibility, that use of floppy from GUI is
marked bad, in a way like sectors at a harddisk?

If the OS don't know, that a disk has been unmounted and another one
inserted, then the disk looks unreliable, because the data has changed
without reason.

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working

2009-12-09 Thread Torkil Olesen
Splendid!
I appreciate very much, that something now is being done.

That was just not my observation after 4 different bug reports with a lot of 
information (I myself had used more than 25 hours to investigate the bug).
Some hard words seems to could be useful.

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[Bug 441835] Re: [Karmic] floppy is not working

2009-12-08 Thread Torkil Olesen
Scott!
Your answer #111 to Antec is arrogant and impertinent!
We are the users!!!

A development team without a floppy drive ???.
Ubuntu clearly has build-in resources for floppies. How can a development team 
then work without??? - That is one more critical bug!

This is very disappointing and critical for my use of the ubuntu-family and of 
Canonical. I am now trying other linux versions.
I consider floppy drives to be the most safe rescue booting device and I use 
floppies for small secure backups: hard-disks and usb-keys are more likely to 
be stolen.

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[Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

2010-01-12 Thread Torkil Olesen
I use Puppy Linux 4.3.1 and get a floppy icon working with one click.

Puppy is very easily installed together with ubuntu and Windows; it
starts and closes very fast and reads/writes in all 3 systems with no
restrictions.

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[Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

2010-11-10 Thread Torkil Olesen
Floppy working in a live cd xubuntu 10.10

I have tried xubuntu 10.10 from live cd and got a floppy icon on the desktop. 
It could be mounted, opened and I could read a file, but not write (only root 
permission).
Later I have installed xubuntu desktop in an ubuntu 10.10 version. Here the 
floppy could not be mounted, and properties of the floppy drive says 8.9 GB 
free ???
I think this gives one more hint about the bug, which Canonical has not been 
able to solve during more than a year.

On the same Pc I have during a year used Poppy Linux 4.3.1., which
starts from cd, works very fast from memory and have no problems with
floppies.

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