[Tutor] Bundle help!

2007-06-25 Thread Sara Johnson
I'm to use the bundle method to append some information to a list.  I have no 
idea how to do that!  I have Python for Dummies and I think I need Python for 
Complete Idiots because I am not seeing how to do this!!  I have basic C+ 
knowledge and about 6 programs to write (in one month's time!) and I know 
NOTHING!!  HELP!!!
   
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[Tutor] Help! Pickle file

2007-07-04 Thread Sara Johnson
This may sound silly, but when writing a program where there is a pickle file, 
how does that get included into the entire program?  For instance;
   
  to create a new pickle file..
  
  #!/usr/bin/python
# Filename: pickling.py

import cPickle as p
#import pickle as p
   
  (snipped from python.org)
  
  
Does this fall anywhere in the program in particular?  I'm REALLY unfamiliar 
with this and I'm using Python for Dummies and Python.org. 
   
  Thanks!
  SJ

   
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[Tutor] Key Error

2007-07-07 Thread Sara Johnson
Sorry, this is probably too general a question, but I can't find any specific 
information on it.  What exactly is a "key error" and how do I clear it?
   
  I entered something like this:
   
  abcd=h[key]['ABCD']
   
  and when I run it I'm getting 
   
  KeyError: 'ABCD'
   
  What does this mean?
   
  Thanks!

   
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Re: [Tutor] Key Error

2007-07-08 Thread Sara Johnson
 
  Probably best if I skip the example and show what code I do have:
  ~~~
  for key in h.keys():
wssd=h[key]['WSSD']
wspd=h[key]['WSPD']
wmax=h[key]['WMAX']
newi=h[key]['NEWI']
if wssd<-989. or wspd<-989. or wmax<-989.: break
if wspd==0.: break
~
  Where the "newi" = "abcd" that I showed before.  I have no where else in my 
code anything pertaining to these 4 keys.  The first 3 were there, and produce 
no errors.  I am making adjustments to an existing script.  I only have C 
programming knowledge so my thought was that it "newi" was just a variable that 
needed to be assigned.  You'll notice the parameters below (i.e., if wssd < 
-989 ) but there is obviously nothing for "newi" at the moment.  The program's 
only error at the moment seems to be this line:
   
   newi=h[key]['NEWI']

  But as you can see, the other items are set up the same way.
   
  Thanks bundles!!!  
  Sara

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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:21:25 -0400
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Sara Johnson said unto the world upon 07/08/2007 01:34 AM:
> Sorry, this is probably too general a question, but I can't find
> any specific information on it. What exactly is a "key error" and
> how do I clear it?
> 
> I entered something like this:
> 
> abcd=h[key]['ABCD']
> 
> and when I run it I'm getting
> 
> KeyError: 'ABCD'
> 
> What does this mean?
> 
> Thanks!
> 


Hi Sara,

It means you've tried to access a data structure (most likely a
dictionary) with a key that does not exist in that structure. Witness

>>> my_dict={42:"Six times seven", 1: "The loneliest number"} 
>>> my_dict[42]
'Six times seven'
>>> my_dict['42']
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in 
KeyError: '42'
>>> my_dict[17]
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in 
KeyError: 17
>>> 

It isn't a question of `clearing' it, but of tracking down the wrong
assumption behind your code. It may be that you thought you were using
a key you'd added before and were wrong (my_dict['42'] as opposed to
my_dict[42] shows a common source of that).

But, from your

> abcd=h[key]['ABCD']

I'm guessing that you've got the key-access syntax a bit wrong. Did 
you mean

abcd = h['ABCD']

instead?

HTH,

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Re: [Tutor] Key Error

2007-07-08 Thread Sara Johnson
  I appologize...but what is, 'grep'?  I'm at the end of my rope, which right 
now looks about as sturdy as string (and I don't mean a string buffer either)!!!
   
  Okay, where to go from here...  Again, as I mentioned there may be holes in 
what I'm giving but that's because 1). segments of this program do work, and I 
don't want to overload this list with my Python problems (and believe me, I 
have enough to probably keep you kind, knowledgable folks busy for weeks!) and 
2). I don't always know if I'm giving you all enough information to decipher my 
mess, or too much information.  
   
  I believe 'NEWI' is supposed to be a new subkey that will hold a value called 
'newind.'  But if I can't get the program to initialize this 'NEWI' then I 
don't know how any values can come from it. 
   
  Thanks anyways...  I'll keep digging,
   
  Sara

"Sara Johnson" wrote
> Probably best if I skip the example and show what code I do have:
> ~~~
> for key in h.keys():
> wssd=h[key]['WSSD']
> wspd=h[key]['WSPD']
> wmax=h[key]['WMAX']
> newi=h[key]['NEWI']
> if wssd<-989. or wspd<-989. or wmax<-989.: break
> if wspd==0.: break
> ~
> Where the "newi" = "abcd" that I showed before.

OK, Then that is telling us that h is a dictionary containing
further dictionaries inside. The error tells us that at least one
of the dictionaries does not have a key 'NEWI'

If this code is supposed to be production strength it is not of good
quality. It should either be defending these dictionary accesses
with a try/except block or it should be using the get() method
of the dictionary to force a default value. (The tests at the end
are poorly written too. If one of my team produced code like
this I'd be having strong words with them!)
   
  
Which is the best solution will depend on the situation...

> I have no where else in my code anything pertaining to
> these 4 keys.

Might I suggest grep? :-)

> The first 3 were there, and produce no errors. I am making
> adjustments to an existing script. I only have C programming
> knowledge

I hope you have at least basic Python too? Otherwise even
reading the code will be difficult. While Python is easy to read
thats a strictly relative measure!

> so my thought was that it "newi" was just a variable that
> needed to be assigned.

newi is indeed a "just a variable" that is being assigned a value,
but the value does not exist. This is a data error, your problems
lie in the initialisation of the dictionaries coupled to the 
vulnerability
of the code to this kind of error.

> You'll notice the parameters below (i.e., if wssd < -989 ) but
> there is obviously nothing for "newi" at the moment.

Indeed, but there may be further on. Its certainly not involved
in any of these tests.

> The program's only error at the moment seems to be this line:
>
> newi=h[key]['NEWI']

The program has several errors IMHO but the one that is causing
the interpreter to complain is due to non existent data.
You need to find why that data is missing.
Or, you could find a valid default value and assign that, either
through a try/except block or by uysing a get() instead of
key access.

-- 
Alan Gauld
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld 


   
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Re: [Tutor] Key Error

2007-07-08 Thread Sara Johnson
If this is in reference to the code that I listed.  
   
  I have no experience with Python so I may have left something off unknowingly 
which resulted in him questioning whatever was there.  The strong words 
probably should be directed at me for not knowing what I'm doing.

jim stockford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
On Jul 8, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:

> (The tests at the end
> are poorly written too. If one of my team produced code like
> this I'd be having strong words with them!)

If you'd be willing to share your strong words, I'd
be grateful to learn better alternatives.

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Re: [Tutor] Bundle help!

2007-07-08 Thread Sara Johnson
I brought this up with Kent a little while ago...
   
  >>>If you have a list of pairs of (name, percentage) then you should be 
>>>able to sort it directly with the sort() method of the list. For
 >>>example:

>>>In [3]: data = [ ('Kent', 50), ('Sara', 80), ('Fred', 20) ]
>>>In [4]: data.sort()
>>>In [5]: data
>>>Out[5]: [('Fred', 20), ('Kent', 50), ('Sara', 80)]
>Use append() to add more data, then sort again to get it in order:
>>>In [6]: data.append(('Joe', 90))
>>>In [7]: data.sort()
>>>In [8]: data
>>>Out[8]: [('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 90), ('Kent', 50), ('Sara', 80)]

  What happens if I need to sort alphabetical and numerically?
  I guess in this case it would be
   
  ('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 50), ('Kent', 80), ('Sara', 90)
   
  I'm taking the original list and the original values
  i.e., ('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 90), ('Kent', 80)...  and switching it so that it 
reads in both ways...
   
  List 1, [('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 90), ('Kent', 50), ('Sara', 80)]

  List 2, ('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 50), ('Kent', 80), ('Sara', 90)]
   
  How would I do that so I wind up with both lists?  I have two lists now, but 
if I try and reorder them they just reverse in alphabetical order without 
affecting the second value (the number).
   
  Thanks!
   

   
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Re: [Tutor] Bundle help!

2007-07-09 Thread Sara Johnson
Sorry to be so confusing.  Just realized a dumb mistake I made.  It doesn't 
need to be resorted alphabetically and numerically.  I need one list 
alphabetical and one numerical.
   
   
   (Alphabetical) List 1, [('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 90), ('Kent', 50), ('Sara', 
80)]
  
  (Numerical) List 2,  [('Fred', 20), ('Kent', 50), ('Sara', 80) ('Joe', 90)]
   
   
  It looks like these are appended together, but to re-sort, how do I (not sure 
if this is a word) "unappend" them?
   
  Thanks,
Sara
  

Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Sara Johnson" wrote

>>Use append() to add more data, then sort again to get it in order:
>>>>In [6]: data.append(('Joe', 90))
>>>>In [7]: data.sort()
>>>>In [8]: data
>>>>Out[8]: [('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 90), ('Kent', 50), ('Sara', 80)]
>
> What happens if I need to sort alphabetical and numerically?

You can supply your own comparison function to the sort routine.
You can also just specify the key to sort by for simple cases.

> I'm taking the original list and the original values
> i.e., ('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 90), ('Kent', 80)... and switching it 
> so that it reads in both ways...
> List 1, [('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 90), ('Kent', 50), ('Sara', 80)]
> List 2, ('Fred', 20), ('Joe', 50), ('Kent', 80), ('Sara', 90)]

But you lost me here. You seem to be switching the values
in the tuples around and its not clear to me by what criteria.
   

   
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Re: [Tutor] Bundle help!

2007-07-09 Thread Sara Johnson
Sorry, just needing to clarify.  As I may have eluded to in other posts, this 
is sort of a script that was written and I'm making modifications to.  Due to 
my serious lack of experience, I'm afraid to rewrite anything.  However, would 
I accomplish the same result by copying the lists, then breaking them apart 
with zip()?  I haven't used that before, but I'm willing to try it as long as I 
don't ruin what's already been done.  
   
  Unfortunately, the link you posted didn't bring up anything.  I tried to 
search google groups and got a bunch of asian text (using comp.lang.py).
   
  Again, sorry for my lack of experience here.  I do speak C somewhat.
   
  Guess I should sign this:  
   
  HTDI...(hope that didn't irritate!)
   
  Sara

David Perlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I think what you want to do is start from the beginning with two 
separate lists, sort each one however you want, and then either join 
them with zip() or simply reference them as (list1[n], list2[n]).

I believe there's also a way to use zip() to separate your list of 
tuples into separate lists, but I don't know how off the top of my 
head. You can find out if you follow these instructions though:

Go to
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.lang.py
enter 'zip inverse', and check search Python only.


On Jul 8, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Sara Johnson wrote:

> How would I do that so I wind up with both lists? I have two lists 
> now, but if I try and reorder them they just reverse in 
> alphabetical order without affecting the second value (the number).
>

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Re: [Tutor] Bundle help!

2007-07-10 Thread Sara Johnson

Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:    "Sara Johnson" wrote 

> this is sort of a script that was written and I'm making 
> modifications to. Due to my serious lack of experience, 
> I'm afraid to rewrite anything. 

This is probably a long shot given the code you've posted so far, 
but I don't suppose there are any design documents available? 
Structure charets, class diagrams? Even plain text or pseudo 
code?
   
  Not sure I follow what you mean by those specific documents or diagrams, but 
I do have the output and the sample code.  Seems like it would be easy to just 
enter it all in and get that output, except for the different files I've had to 
include  ("chmod" command on various scripts).  Not sure if I've described that 
correctly.  Nonetheless, I've had to bundle this and pickle that and create 3 
different files plus one script.  Only close on one of those.  If you are 
talking about the output on this one step, I can put it into a text file and 
attach it.  Again my fear is that whatever I do to make that happen will 
eventually lead to the other outputs as well.
   
  
In an ideal world it would be possible to find the faulty function 
without having to read any code, but few projects are that well 
documented. But then again few projects have nothing! If you 
can find it it might tell you at a high level how the code hangs 
together.

I'm not sure zip is the best tool for breaking lists apart, 
but I'm no expert with it. But its easy to do with a simple 
loop if you are dealing with a list of tuples:

list1 = []
list2 = []
for item in theList:
list1.append(item[0])
list2.append(item[1])
   
  I will give this a try and some of the other suggestions I have received.  
   
  Thanks again!


   
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Re: [Tutor] Bundle help!

2007-07-15 Thread Sara Johnson
Thanks to everyone for your help and quick responses!
   
  Has anyone heard of the "bundle method?"  Some of you have already said you 
didn't.  I wonder why it's included as part of my code/instructions.  I'm 
trying to accomplish what I 'think' they want with the other questions I've 
posed here.
   
  Here's my instruction:
  
  #SUB-TASK 1: Fix the above to print/write only the keys with >0% missing, 
sorted alphabetically
#by the key. (No need to use the "bundle method" for that).  But ALSO append the
#same information to outfile2, sorted by worst offender. (Use bundle for that).

   
  Just curious, but in this link (' 
http://xahlee.org/perl-python/sort_list.html ') you mentioned, what does the 
"re" part mean?  At first I thought it was the name of the list or 'return' but 
that's included later.
   
   
  ***
   
  def myComp (x,y):
import re
def getNum(str): return float(re.findall(r'\d+',str)[0])
return cmp(getNum(x),getNum(y))

li.sort(myComp)
print li # returns ['web7-s.jpg', 'my23i.jpg', 'fris88large.jpg', 'my283.jpg']

  Thanks,
  Sara
   
  *
  
David Perlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Maybe this reference will help:
http://xahlee.org/perl-python/sort_list.html
Just the first part of the discussion there.


 
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Re: [Tutor] Bundle help!

2007-07-15 Thread Sara Johnson
Regarding my early question on bundle.  Not sure if this makes any sense, but I 
noticed where else it's used.  If this looks funny, remember that I did not 
write it (and therefore do not entirely understand it).  I'm only editing it 
according to some specific guidelines.
   
  >>>for key in h.keys():
>>>bundle=(h[key]['TA9M'],key) #bundle is a tuple, (a list would also 
be ok)
>>>if bundle[0]>0.:
>>>allt.append(bundle)

  Thanks,
  Sara

   
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Re: [Tutor] interpreter restarts

2007-07-16 Thread Sara Johnson
Luke, Jacob, et. al...

Dumb question (may be slightly off course from what you two were discussing), 
but are you both describing how to get the IDLE to run along with the editor?  
I may just be getting too many things confused.  I've tried to run IDLE, but 
that's not working.  I have the same function through opening it separately 
from the Start menu but then it doesn't work as IDLE should work with the 
editor (or so I've been told that happens).  I can type the word Python in my 
editor and it comes up, but then the editor is gone.  I've gone so long with 
just SSH, but at this point it's worth it if I find a way that makes sense.  As 
someone mentioned from this list, at least it'll be code that is easier to read 
for a newbie like myself.  

(Hope that didn't confuse or cause unnecessary headaches...)

Sara


- Original Message 
From: Luke Paireepinart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tiger12506 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: tutor@python.org
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:00:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] interpreter restarts


Tiger12506 wrote:
>> But there's an exception to that - if you right-click a file in Windoze
>> and 'edit' it,
>> IDLE won't open up its subprocess, and as such, it can't restart the
>> interpreter session because it's running in the same
>> process as IDLE, and to restart the interpreter would mean restarting 
>> IDLE.
>> Boy, that 'edit with idle' thing sure does cause some problems, don't it? 
>> :)
>> -Luke
>> 
>
> Thanks, Luke. I hadn't thought of that. Question: Why won't IDLE open up its 
> subprocess?
>
> This is the command that is in the registry concerning the Edit with IDLE 
> menu.
> "C:\Python25\pythonw.exe" "C:\Python25\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw" -n -e "%1"
>
> This is the Target for the shortcut in the Start Menu (Note: the Target box 
> was disabled!)
> Python 2.5.1
>
> I thought that this was incredibly strange, so I opened this shortcut in a 
> hex editor to see what was different about this shortcut. (Normally, they 
> have a path in the target box)
>
> What I found surprised me. The title of the file in the hex editor said 
> "python_icon.exe"
> I started laughing maniacally and checked the full path of the file from 
> within the hex editor.
> C:\windows\installer\{3184-6386-4999-a519-518f2d78d8f0}\python_icon.exe
>
> IDLE is started in two *very* different ways. So my next question was: Can 
> you pass arguments to this python_icon.exe? Simple navigations to that 
> directory and a confirmation... Yuck. You can't even execute it from 
> explorer. A low-level ZwTerminateProcess function from ntdll is called ... 
> Let me try something...
>
> Woah... {3184-6386-4999-a519-518f2d78d8f0} appears in the registry in 
> alot of places. The Uninstall key for Add/Remove Programs, some weird data 
> thing... Okay, this is beyond me. I don't know the registry or understand 
> CLSIDs very well. Someone who knows Windows inside and out has done a number 
> with the python installer, or at least the msi installer does this all 
> automatically. Interesting. I wonder just how python_icon.exe starts IDLE. 
> If I could figure that out, I could emulate it with the Edit w/Idle menu 
> item and get IDLE to start a subprocess! But how any ideas?
>   
It sounds like python_icon.exe is a fake executable that just contains 
the icon for python programs...
hence the name.
You probably stumbled across the path to the icon to use, instead of the 
path that is used when running the 'Edit with IDLE' thing.
Try this:
open an Explorer window, via Start Button -> Run -> explorer {ENTER}
or your favorite method.  Use the My Computer shortcut if you want, 
either way.
Now hit "Alt, t, o" to browse to the Tools -> Folder Options menu setting.
Go to the File Types tab, and scroll down till you find "PY"
click the Advanced button.
You should now see a dialog box with Edit with IDLE listed under actions.
Click Edit when "Edit with IDLE" is selected.
in the "Application used to perform action:" field you should see 
something like this:

"C:\Python24\pythonw.exe" "C:\Python24\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw" -n -e "%1"

Basically, this is the same as saying:
python idle.py
except it's more verbose because python may not be on your path (and 
pythonw is used instead of python so there's no dos box)
As you will notice, there are some parameters there at the end.
the -n is the one you're interested in .
-n means no subprocess.
Just remove that, and you will have a subprocess on the 'Edit with IDLE' 
feature.
There is some caveat here - it doesn't work correctly on some systems, 
I'm told.
I've never had problems changing this, but I don't recommend it to 
people randomly just in case it were to cause problems for them.
Then I'd feel bad.
But since you asked, I thought I'd give you all the info you need.
HTH,
-Luke
P.S. nice detective skillz ;)
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Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts

2007-07-16 Thread Sara Johnson
First off, yes, I was referring to (I guess you could say) a non-python editor. 
 I use an SSH editor set up by my school.  If I type python at the prompt in 
SSH, I get the Python shell.  My problem is, I can't open a GUI no matter what 
I subscribe to or purchase.  I have Python 2.3 and yes, I can access the 
commandline, but that does not work the way it's been described to work.

If this still doesn't make any sense, just ignore me...

Sara



>>Not quite what we were discussing, but I think you may have given just 
enough clues that i can be of some help. Just for reference ~ which editor 
are you using?

IDLE is both an editor and a python shell or interpreter. It is not the same 
thing as typing python.exe wherever you might be typing it.

Typing Python into an editor should put the word "Python" into your 
currently open file. I don't believe that this is what you mean. Perhaps you 
are confusing what exactly is an editor?

You use Windows you've mentioned before. So here's what you can do. Start -> 
Programs -> Python 2.5 -> Python (commandline)

This is the python interpreter. As you might already know.

And then this.
Start -> Programs -> Python 2.5 -> IDLE (Python GUI)

This is IDLE. As you probably know.

Two windows should come up when you click IDLE. One is an editor. The other 
is the python shell, or interpreter. You can open .py files in IDLE by right 
clicking and selecting "Edit with IDLE". At any time that you wish to run a 
program that is open in the editor half of IDLE, hit F5 and the Python shell 
half of IDLE comes to the top and runs the program.

If doing all that doesn't do what I expect it to do, or you have something 
else in mind, reply back. If it does, then great!

Oh. And tell me which editor you are using which magically opens a python 
interpreter when you type Python into it. ;-)

JS 

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Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts

2007-07-17 Thread Sara Johnson
Everyone who has commented...

I have XWin32It hasn't worked.  I've talked to some people in the IT 
departments and they've given me things to check (boxes to check or uncheck) 
and that doesn't seem to make a difference.  

When I picked up these projects I was given a lot of stuff and left to figure 
it out.  I was also left with the impression that I should have the GUI 
working.  If a lot of Python programmers use SSH, then I guess there is no 
problem.  But when you're a newbie who really doesn't understand what they're 
doing, anything that might make the process a tad more straight-forward is 
worth it.  For example, I worked on this basic Unix editor 'Pico' before I 
learned I could switch to Vi and have my code color-coordinated so that I knew 
where my comments were and I could see if I accidentally commented something 
out that needs to be there.  So maybe it's not too important that I use the 
Python shell with my school's editor program open (as I was advised to do).  
Some of you have already seen my confusion from the different questions I've 
asked about my code (or rather, the code I've been editing).  So I thought most 
of the Python programmers preferred to use IDLE and that maybe it
 would simplify things just a tad for me.  I'm about 2000 miles away from where 
I should be with these projects.

Thanks,
Sara 


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To: Sara Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: tutor@python.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:24:11 AM
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Sara Johnson wrote:
> First off, yes, I was referring to (I guess you could say) a 
> non-python editor.  I use an SSH editor set up by my school.  If I 
> type python at the prompt in SSH, I get the Python shell.  My problem 
> is, I can't open a GUI no matter what I subscribe to or purchase.  I 
> have Python 2.3 and yes, I can access the commandline, but that does 
> not work the way it's been described to work.
>  
> If this still doesn't make any sense, just ignore me...
I'm not sure what your problem is.  Does the SSH program provide a file 
transfer utility? could you write your code on your local computer then 
just transfer the final code to the server?  A lot of Python programmers 
use Vi for writing their code.  do you have access to that through SSH?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "SSH editor."
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Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts

2007-07-17 Thread Sara Johnson
I initially thought Vim was sort of the same as Vi, just a few small 
differences or upgrades.  Or have I got that confused?

Sara


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Yeah. But she's running Windows.
Perhaps vim is scary to some Windows users.
(I thought it was scary and annoying. Are all those ~ characters really in 
the file or not?
I kept second guessing the editor.)

--Sara, could you give an example of how it doesn't work?
  Just what happens? Just what doesn't happen?

You say you have Python 2.3 installed...


> Greetings,
>
> I use an editor called 'vim' on GNU/Linux.
> I invoke vim on the command-line by typing: vi
> (vi is a link to /usr/bin/vim)
> In my home directory I have a vim config file
> named .vimrc (that is: dot_vimrc [the dot makes it hidden]).
> The .vimrc file has some things in it that do some nice stuff
> for editing Python files; such as syntax highlighting, line numbers,
> indenting, and also runs Python when I press the F2 function key.
> I run vim in an X ternminal called Konsole. I can also run it
> from the command-line in any tty.
>
> Okay, here it is. Just copy/paste this into an editor, and save it as:
> .vimrc
>
> -8<--Cut Here>8---
> " .vimrc
> "
> " Created by Jeff Elkner 23 January 2006
> " Last modified 2 February 2006
> "
> " Turn on syntax highlighting and autoindenting
> syntax enable
> filetype indent on
> " set autoindent width to 4 spaces (see
> " http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=83)
> set nu
> set et
> set sw=4
> set smarttab
> " Bind  key to running the python interpreter on the currently active
> " file.  (curtesy of Steve Howell from email dated 1 Feb 2006).
> map  :w\|!python %
> -8<--Cut Here>8---
>
> To use it, just type: vi myCode.py
> (If you don't have a link named vi that points to /usr/bin/vim,
> you'll have to type vim or /usr/bin/vim to get it going...
> since I don't have any idea what you're working at, I can't say.)
>
> Once you're in vim, looking at your code, press F2 to run it.
>
> I understand that Emacs also does Python! =)
> But I won't go there... I don't do Emacs.
> -- 
> bhaaluu at gmail dot com
>
> On 7/17/07, Luke Paireepinart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A lot of Python programmers
>> use Vi for writing their code.  do you have access to that through SSH?
>> I'm not quite sure what you mean by "SSH editor."
>> -Luke
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Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts

2007-07-17 Thread Sara Johnson
Sorry all...  SSH editor means "Unix"


  

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Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts

2007-07-17 Thread Sara Johnson
Sure, sounds good.  Should I assume that 'any' Unix version allows Vim?

Thanks,
Sara


- Original Message 
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To: Sara Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: tutor@python.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:30:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts


you want a very brief set of vi(m) commands--
a get-you-started tutorial that's nearly painless?
I'll send if "yes".
jim

On Jul 16, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Sara Johnson wrote:

> First off, yes, I was referring to (I guess you could say) a 
> non-python editor.  I use an SSH editor set up by my school.  If I 
> type python at the prompt in SSH, I get the Python shell.  My problem 
> is, I can't open a GUI no matter what I subscribe to or purchase.  I 
> have Python 2.3 and yes, I can access the commandline, but that does 
> not work the way it's been described to work.
>  
> If this still doesn't make any sense, just ignore me...
>  
> Sara
>
>
> >>Not quite what we were discussing, but I think you may have given 
> just
> enough clues that i can be of some help. Just for reference ~ which 
> editor
> are you using?
>
> IDLE is both an editor and a python shell or interpreter. It is not 
> the same
> thing as typing python.exe wherever you might be typing it.
>
> Typing Python into an editor should put the word "Python" into your
> currently open file. I don't believe that this is what you mean. 
> Perhaps you
> are confusing what exactly is an editor?
>
> You use Windows you've mentioned before. So here's what you can do. 
> Start ->
> Programs -> Python 2.5 -> Python (commandline)
>
> This is the python interpreter. As you might already know.
>
> And then this.
> Start -> Programs -> Python 2.5 -> IDLE (Python GUI)
>
> This is IDLE. As you probably know.
>
> Two windows should come up when you click IDLE. One is an editor. The 
> other
> is the python shell, or interpreter. You can open .py files in IDLE by 
> right
> clicking and selecting "Edit with IDLE". At any time that you wish to 
> run a
> program that is open in the editor half of IDLE, hit F5 and the Python 
> shell
> half of IDLE comes to the top and runs the program.
>
> If doing all that doesn't do what I expect it to do, or you have 
> something
> else in mind, reply back. If it does, then great!
>
> Oh. And tell me which editor you are using which magically opens a 
> python
> interpreter when you type Python into it. ;-)
>
> JS
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Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts

2007-07-17 Thread Sara Johnson
- Original Message 
From: Robert H. Haener IV [EMAIL PROTECTED]


If you name the SSH client (which I believe you've been calling an "SSH 
editor") you're using, I might be able to give you step by step instructions 
for setting your client to use X Forwarding.

If the SSH server doesn't allow X Forwarding, I recommend using a program 
called 'screen'.  Basically, 'screen' allows you to use a shell a bit like the 
tabbed browsing in Firefox (or Opera, IE7, etc.) by creating a framework 
wherein you can create new virtual shells and switch between them using 
keyboard shortcuts.  What is more, you can label the virtual shells and even 
copy/paste text between them.  I can give you plenty of information about using 
'screen' if you want it, what I'm getting around to is that if I was in your 
situation I would have the python interpreter running in one virtual shell 
whilst running vim in another virtual shell.



That's pretty much what I was attempting.  I was advised to mark the 
"Tunneling" box (TunnelingX11 Connections), and it's checked.  I don't see the 
X Forwarding option, however.  Under that same tab I checked for anything else 
system-wise that would pertain and I don't see anything.  Again, I have XWin32 
installed, but I probably need to renew it or somehow get it to work as you've 
described.  Anything else I should check?

>>For example, I worked on this basic Unix editor 'Pico' before I learned I 
>>could switch to Vi and >>have
Sorry...I meant to say "Putty" not Pico...  Not important, just clarifying.

Thanks,
Sara


   

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[Tutor] IDLE connection - was IDLE Usage

2007-07-21 Thread Sara Johnson
I am setting up an Xming/XWindows (forwarding?) and I followed what was 
instructed.  When I got ready to connect, it all looked okay, but then I got 
this message.

 'Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion'

Anyone know?

Thanks,
Sara


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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:49:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts


Sara Johnson wrote:
> That's pretty much what I was attempting.  I was advised to mark the
> "Tunneling" box (TunnelingX11 Connections), and it's checked.  I don't
> see the X Forwarding option, however.  Under that same tab I checked for
> anything else system-wise that would pertain and I don't see anything. 
> Again, I have XWin32 installed, but I probably need to renew it or
> somehow get it to work as you've described.  Anything else I should check?
>  
>>>For example, I worked on this basic Unix editor 'Pico' before I
> learned I could switch to Vi and >>have
> Sorry...I meant to say "Putty" not Pico...  Not important, just clarifying.
>  
> Thanks,
> Sara

I have never attempted to use X Forwarding in Windows, but here is a guide that 
seems to tell you all you need to know:

http://www.math.umn.edu/systems_guide/putty_xwin32.html

>>From what I can gather, you should contact whomever is in charge of the SSH 
>>server if you can't get GUI programs working after following that guide.

Also, just so we don't end up massively confusing each other:

PuTTy is your "SSH client."
The server to which you are connecting is the "SSH server."
Pico and Vim are examples of "text editors," which are sometimes called "UNIX 
editors" by Windows folks.


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Re: [Tutor] IDLE connection - was IDLE Usage

2007-07-21 Thread Sara Johnson
Okay, carry on then.  :-)

Still haven't figured it out either and I've tried reloading it.


- Original Message 
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Cc: Python 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:04:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] IDLE connection - was IDLE Usage


Sara Johnson wrote:
> I am setting up an Xming/XWindows (forwarding?) and I followed what was
> instructed.  When I got ready to connect, it all looked okay, but then I
> got this message.
>  
>  'Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion'
>  
> Anyone know?
>  
> Thanks,
> Sara

Sounds like you're missing some fonts, but that's just a guess.  I will look it 
up further later tonight/tomorrow morning, I'm in the midst of a Thin Man 
marathon.


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Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts

2007-07-22 Thread Sara Johnson
Alan,

Actually, I think you just solved one of the main issues I've had.  That is, 
trying to figure out how much it'll help to have the GUI session open with the 
SSH session (as was recommended when I set out to do these projects).  I had it 
in my mind that having this up and working would mean that these projects would 
make more sense.  I could have been using two SSH sessions all along, I 
suppose.  Another concern was more towards the specific nature of these 
projects, once I have to concern myself with graphics on a few tasks.  For all 
I know it may not matter either way, but I had to check.  I've been talking to 
someone else off list about that.

Anyways, thanks for help!  

Sara


- Original Message 
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To: tutor@python.org
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:39:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] IDLE Usage - was Interpreter Restarts


"Sara Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

>  I use an SSH editor set up by my school.  If I type python at the 
> prompt in SSH,
> I get the Python shell.  My problem is, I can't open a GUI no matter 
> what
> I subscribe to or purchase.

OK, Personally I'd forget about a GUI, its not that big a win for 
Python IMHO.

What I'd do instead is open two SSH sessions, in one of them I'd open 
a
vim session (or emacs if you prefer) to edit my code.  In the second 
window
open a python interactive session for testing stuff.  You can also use 
Unix
job control to background this session if you need to test the 
scripts, or
you can open a third SSH session with a Unix shell prompt. In practice
that's how I do nearly all my serious Python programming on Windows
- using 3 separate windows: vim, Pyhon and shell.

Try ideas out in the Python session, copy those ideas into the editor 
and
save the file and then run the code in the shell window. Repeat as 
needed.

> I have Python 2.3 and yes, I can access the commandline, but that 
> does
> not work the way it's been described to work.

What is missing? It should work like any standard >>> prompt.
However it will be the vanilla version without some of the nice extras
that IDE shells often provide and depending on how your Python was
built it may not offer GNU readline capability to recall previous 
commands etc.

Finally, If you really want to run an X GUI I'd recommend getting 
cygwin.
Its big but it includes a near complete Unix/ X environment for your 
PC
(including the fonts) as well as an SSH client and provi8ded your SSH
server allows X to run - and many don't for security reasons - then it 
should
work. You will have to issue the xhosts incantations of course to tell 
the
server to accept requests from your PC. Pesonally I think its more 
work
than is worth it unless you will be doing a lot of work on that server 
over
a long time..

My opinion for what its worth! :-)

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Re: [Tutor] comparing lists, __lt__ and __gt__

2007-07-28 Thread Sara Johnson
First off, Kent, thanks for posting that!  I know it's in the Python library 
but it does help to have a bookmark for things I know I'll need pretty soon.

Second...  What if there is a '<<' or '>>'?  Does that just mean the same thing 
(maybe a little over emphasized..  ;)   I thought I saw this when I was 
learning boolean expressions, but I don't recall.


- Original Message 
From: Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Good question! The only doc I can find on this behavior is this:
http://docs.python.org/lib/comparisons.html

which just says that the comparison operation exists. There doesn't seem 
to be any documentation on how comparison works with sequences.

I think it is pretty safe to count on the current behaviour of < and > 
for lists. I'll put in a documentation bug on this - the meaning of 
these operations (and ==) should be explicit in the docs.

Kent


   

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Re: [Tutor] comparing lists, __lt__ and __gt__

2007-07-28 Thread Sara Johnson
Thanks Alan.  That said, any idea what it means in this context?

for key in skeys:
fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites #note decimal 
multiplication, 1.*
outstring="%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key,100*fracmiss)
if fracmiss >>0




- Original Message 
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To: tutor@python.org
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:03:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] comparing lists, __lt__ and __gt__


"Sara Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

> What if there is a '<<' or '>>'?
> Does that just mean the same thing (maybe a little over emphasized.. 
> ;)

The double chevron operator is for bit-shifting its not a camparison 
operation.
So no operator override function exists.

> I thought I saw this when I was learning boolean expressions,
> but I don't recall.

Possibly, because its often used to manipulate bitpatterns in
conjunction with bitwise boolean comparisons (and/or/xor etc)

HTH,

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[Tutor] attribute error

2007-07-28 Thread Sara Johnson
I thought 'sort()' was a function you could use as long as the dict or key had 
some value.  When is this not right?


  

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Re: [Tutor] attribute error

2007-07-28 Thread Sara Johnson
I scrapped that other attempt.  I keep hitting brick walls.

However, is there an indentation error here?  I may just be too frustrated to 
see it.

for key in skeys:
fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites #note decimal 
multiplication, 1.*
outstring="%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key,100*fracmiss)
if fracmiss>0.:
print outstring





- Original Message 
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To: Sara Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Python 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:14:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] attribute error


Sara Johnson wrote:
> I thought 'sort()' was a function you could use as long as the dict or 
> key had some value.  When is this not right?
Please give us some context for the question. Code fragment, traceback.

sort is a method of mutable sequence types (lists, ...)

myList = [1, 3, 2]
myList.sort() # returns None
print myList
[1, 2, 3]


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Re: [Tutor] attribute error --Disregard

2007-07-28 Thread Sara Johnson
Disregard this post.  Sorry for the added message in everyone's inbox.


- Original Message 
From: Sara Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Python 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:19:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] attribute error


I scrapped that other attempt.  I keep hitting brick walls.
 
However, is there an indentation error here?  I may just be too frustrated to 
see it.
 
for key in skeys:
fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites #note decimal 
multiplication, 1.*
outstring="%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key,100*fracmiss)
if fracmiss>0.:
print outstring
 

 

 
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To: Sara Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Python 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:14:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] attribute error


Sara Johnson wrote:
> I thought 'sort()' was a function you could use as long as the dict or 
> key had some value.  When is this not right?
Please give us some context for the question. Code fragment, traceback.

sort is a method of mutable sequence types (lists, ...)

myList = [1, 3, 2]
myList.sort() # returns None
print myList
[1, 2, 3]


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Re: [Tutor] attribute error

2007-07-29 Thread Sara Johnson
- Original Message 
From: Alan Gauld [EMAIL PROTECTED]


>> for key in skeys:
>> fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites #note decimal 
>> multiplication, 1.*

>This is a mess. Why have that long comment when all that's needed
>is to add the zero?! (and some spaces to make it legible...)

I wish I could take credit for that.  At least it would feel like progress.  I 
didn't write it.  All I'm trying to do now is sort it alphabetically, and then 
attempt to append it with another list and sort that.  While I didn't write 
that, I always thought with floats you needed a 0.0.  I do have some 
percentages that are less than 1% but more than 0.0.


>fracmiss = 1.0 * numberMissing( z[key].values() ) / nsites
>outstring = "%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key, 100 * fracmiss)
>if fracmiss > 0.0:
print outstring



>It looks OK apart from the poor style but I don't see anything that is
>an error. What are you seeing?

I pasted a part of the script in some other part of the program unknowingly.  
Still getting used to Vi/Vim.

Thanks Alan!


Sara


   

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Re: [Tutor] attribute error

2007-07-29 Thread Sara Johnson
Is this the correct traceback?  Output okay except it will not sort 
alphabetically.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./mymods.py", line 83, in ?
outfile2.sort()
AttributeError: 'file' object has no attribute 'sort'
*
Here's the code.  I did not write most of this, I'm only modifying it.  In 
fact, I'm only responsible for the last two lines.



#reverse the dictionary of dictionaries, making new dictonary z:
z={} #initialize empty dictionary
skeys=h[keys[0]].keys() #get the "sub-keys"
for i in skeys: #use sub-keys as new main-keys
z[i]={}
for j in keys: #use main-keys as new sub-keys
z[i][j]=h[j][i]
#use the new dictionary to find number of missing values:
print "\n fraction of sites with missing measurements:"
nsites=len(h.keys())
outfile2=open('missmeas.dat','w')
for key in skeys:
fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites
outstring="%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key,100*fracmiss)
if fracmiss>0.:
print outstring



- Original Message 
From: Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: tutor@python.org
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:23:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] attribute error


"Sara Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

> However, is there an indentation error here?

Not that I can see. Is there an error? If so can you send the 
traceback?
Its very hard to answer questions without any context.

> I may just be too frustrated to see it.
>
> for key in skeys:
> fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites #note 
> decimal multiplication, 1.*

This is a mess. Why have that long comment when all that's needed
is to add the zero?! (and some spaces to make it legible...)

fracmiss = 1.0 * numberMissing( z[key].values() ) / nsites
outstring = "%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key, 100 * fracmiss)
if fracmiss > 0.0:
print outstring

It looks OK apart from the poor style but I don't see anything that is
an error. What are you seeing?

On the style front, if you want to force a result to a float it's more
conventional to use the float() conversion function:

fracmiss = float( numberMissing( z[key].values() ) / nsites )

And comparing to 0.0 doesn't really add anything except two 
characters,
it could just as well be plain old 0.

if fracmiss > 0:

HTH,

Alan G.



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Re: [Tutor] attribute error - quick addition

2007-07-29 Thread Sara Johnson
Sorry...I forgot a few more lines at the end of the code.  Starts with 
"outfile2write..."
I also added outfile2.sort()




Is this the correct traceback?  Output okay except it will not sort 
alphabetically.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./mymods.py", line 83, in ?
outfile2.sort()
AttributeError: 'file' object has no attribute 'sort'
*
Here's the code.  I did not write most of this, I'm only modifying it.  In 
fact, I'm only responsible for the last two lines.
 
 

#reverse the dictionary of dictionaries, making new dictonary z:
z={} #initialize empty dictionary
skeys=h[keys[0]].keys() #get the "sub-keys"
for i in skeys: #use sub-keys as new main-keys
z[i]={}
for j in keys: #use main-keys as new sub-keys
z[i][j]=h[j][i]
#use the new dictionary to find number of missing values:
print "\n fraction of sites with missing measurements:"
nsites=len(h.keys())
outfile2=open('missmeas.dat','w')
for key in skeys:
fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites
outstring="%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key,100*fracmiss)
if fracmiss>0.:
print outstring

outfile2.write(outstring+'\n') #notice explicit newline \n
outfile2.sort()
outfile2.close()

 
- Original Message 
From: Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: tutor@python.org
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:23:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] attribute error


"Sara Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

> However, is there an indentation error here?

Not that I can see. Is there an error? If so can you send the 
traceback?
Its very hard to answer questions without any context.

> I may just be too frustrated to see it.
>
> for key in skeys:
> fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites #note 
> decimal multiplication, 1.*

This is a mess. Why have that long comment when all that's needed
is to add the zero?! (and some spaces to make it legible...)

fracmiss = 1.0 * numberMissing( z[key].values() ) / nsites
outstring = "%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key, 100 * fracmiss)
if fracmiss > 0.0:
print outstring

It looks OK apart from the poor style but I don't see anything that is
an error. What are you seeing?

On the style front, if you want to force a result to a float it's more
conventional to use the float() conversion function:

fracmiss = float( numberMissing( z[key].values() ) / nsites )

And comparing to 0.0 doesn't really add anything except two 
characters,
it could just as well be plain old 0.

if fracmiss > 0:

HTH,

Alan G.



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Re: [Tutor] attribute error - quick addition

2007-07-30 Thread Sara Johnson
Thanks Alan and Kent (for the sorting notes)!

Alan...I guess I thought outfile2 had data.  { i.e., 
outfile2=open('missmeas.dat','w') }

My mistake.

Thanks,
Sara



- Original Message 
From: Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: tutor@python.org
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 7:00:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] attribute error - quick addition


"Sara Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

> Sorry...I forgot a few more lines at the end of the code.  Starts 
> with "outfile2write..."
> I also added outfile2.sort()

OK, at leasrt we see where the error occcurs. The problem emains that 
you are
trying to sort a file which doesn't have a sort method. You need to 
sort the data
before saving it.

Alan G.



outfile2=open('missmeas.dat','w')
for key in skeys:
fracmiss=1.*numberMissing(z[key].values())/nsites
outstring="%s has %4.1f%% missing" % (key,100*fracmiss)
if fracmiss>0.:
print outstring

outfile2.write(outstring+'\n') #notice explicit newline \n
outfile2.sort()
outfile2.close()



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Re: [Tutor] attribute error - quick addition

2007-07-30 Thread Sara Johnson
Sorry...  I'm still learning about lists, tuples, etc...

Thanks,
Sara


- Original Message 
From: Tiger12506 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: tutor@python.org
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:42:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] attribute error - quick addition


> Thanks Alan and Kent (for the sorting notes)!
>
> Alan...I guess I thought outfile2 had data.  { i.e., 
> outfile2=open('missmeas.dat','w') }

Argghh!!! No, no, no! Attribute Error! No matter how much data you have in 
the file, you will *never* be able to call sort on it, because file objects 
do not understand sort. They do not have the "attribute" called "sort". 
Lists have sort. If you want to sort them like you are trying, you will have 
to convert the file into a list (of lines).

lst = list(outfile2)
lst.sort()


JS


> My mistake.
>
> Thanks,
> Sara

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Re: [Tutor] attribute error - quick addition

2007-07-30 Thread Sara Johnson
No luck finding tutors.  I don't make enough.  It seems to be this script 
that's throwing me off.  But I understand and I'll take what I've learned to 
date and something will work eventually.

Thanks for your concern and support.  

Sara


- Original Message 
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To: tutor@python.org
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:55:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] attribute error - quick addition


"Sara Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

> Sorry...  I'm still learning about lists, tuples, etc...

Sarah, You've been hanging around with this list for a few weeks now.
If you just took one day out to go through the official tutorial then 
you
should know enough to answer all of these questions. Seriously, invest
the time to learn the language and you will cut the time messing 
around
and solve your problem a lot sooner. Hacking away in the hope of
stumbling on a solution and asking questions here if it doesn't work
is one of the most inefficient ways to get your job done. (Both for 
you
and us!)

We are all here to help people learn Python and answer questions
but you will make it easier on all of us if you work through a tutor 
to
get the basics clearly fixed. Not only will your problem be easier to
solve but the answers we give will make more sense too!

Alan G. 


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