>
> I'm 28 years old, currently unemployed and not in school until fall of
> 2015 as a junior. I picked up python a little under a year ago, with the
> hopes that I could make a career out of programming - when I finish school
> that is. So, as of right now you could say it's a hobby, however, I
> figured that I would jump the gun and learn it now, on my own, with widely
> available resources we have today. Currently, I have a solid foundation of
> how data structures and how OOP works, but the problem lies within having
> analysis paralysis. I have a tendency to over analyze everything, and with
> programming - as we all know - there are a million ways to accomplish the
> same task.
>
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 12/18/2014 09:09 PM, Brandon Dorsey wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Programming has always been a passion of mine,
>>
>
> A great start. Can you tell us a little more about yourself? Is Python
> the first language you've tried, or are you successful at other languages?
> Are you in school, at what level, do you already have some other career and
> this is a hobby? Do you have some hobbies that programming might synergize
> with?
>
> > however, I'm frequently
>
>> frustrated at
>>
>> simple fact that I've been learning python for 8 months, and I have yet to
>> start, and finish, a simple
>>
>> project.
>>
>
> How are you learning python? Are you in a class, did you buy a book,
> download a tutorial, what?
>
> I find difficult to not only visualize the execution,
>>
>
> There are tools that may help with that, but it's not clear to me whether
> that would really help. If you want to play, you could look at:
>
> ttp://www.pythontutor.com/visualize.html#mode=edit
>
> but to figure out when and where to
>>
>> use data structure 'x'.
>>
>
> Alan gave some brief descriptions. You should realize that those are just
> the particular collections that are in the builtin section of python.
> There are many more in the standard library, MANY more out on the internet
> (eg. pypi), and many more in your head, just aching to come out.
>
> Any suggestions on how to approach programming
>
>> from a different angle?
>>
>
> That's a great perspective.
>
> We're now drowning in a sea of riches, information on any topic. But in
> most cases, you have to be introduced to a topic systematically, with
> controlled flow, in order to understand what the fancier concepts are all
> about. When I "started" programming in 1966, it was with a borrowed
> Fortran book over spring break. I wrote a number of programs on sheets of
> paper, but had no machine to execute them on. (I also expect there were
> more errors than useful statements, but I didn't know anything about that
> either) I went on a field trip to the nearest computer, which was at
> Yale. I got to see the actual machinery through some large windows, but
> didn't have a chance to run anything till almost a year later, at my own
> college. Even then, freshmen weren't taught anything about them, and I had
> to learn from another student how to submit punched cards to the computer.
> And how to run jobs without having a legitimate account.
>
> Frequently when people develop an interest in programming now, it's in
> order to write a game, design a website, or to solve some fairly complex
> problem. If they then try to research the tools, they get overwhelmed with
> the possibilities. And without a narrower focus, they never get that
> satisfaction that comes with finishing a project.
>
> Without knowing anything at all about you really, I'd suggest you either
> take a course, or really *do* a tutorial. Many people just read a book (or
> site) about the subject, and don't actually try the exercises. In my case
> it was excusable, since I didn't have the several million dollars necessary
> to buy a computer, but the principle still holds. Start small, and
> systematically build up your abilities. If you're disciplined enough to do
> that on your own, there are many Python tutorials that you can download.
> And when you get stuck, you'll have a manageable problem that somebody can
> help with.
>
> If you've done all that, and you're still stuck, then be much more
> specific in your question here. Pick a project (or exercise, or
> assignment) that you've started working on, and describe the following:
>
> 1) python version and OS version
> 2) project description
> 3) code fragment that shows your present difficulty
> 4) what happens, and what you hope
