Re: [Tutor] IDLE

2017-12-30 Thread nelson jon kane 
I spent a lot of time watching 18 different Python tutorials made by "The Bad 
Tutorials." I realized finally that they were not for me,

because in my opinion, the speaker on the videos skips steps. Also, he had his 
own personal name "put in" to his Python, but on my version, it just says the 
words "User Name," and "User Name" can't be changed on my version.


So, I'm looking for a new series of videos. I'm going to have to start at the 
very beginning all over again. Without recommending your own company or product 
😊 who has a free series of YouTube videos on Python in which the speaker does 
NOT leave out steps in the video?


Thanks!



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Mats Wichmann 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tutor] IDLE

On 12/29/2017 11:28 AM, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote:
> On 29/12/17 16:43, Jay Kelman wrote:
>> I downloaded Python and when I look at IDLE it tells me to update TCL.
>
> Are you using a Mac by any chance? I seem to recall this used to
> be  a common issue with MacOS. If you google for "IDLE MacOS
> Tcl" you should find several links telling you how to fix it.
>
> If not a Mac then I'm stumped it should all work fine.
>

This Mac issue is definitely still current - yes there is information to
solve it, but people are having constant problems getting it to not
complain, we get an orgoing stream of these over at the python.org
webmaster alias, which isn't even supposed to be for Python problems. It
seems what is on the web about this isn't simple enough, complete
enough, or whatever.


Just a note: it's not certain that you will ever hit the problems, and
if you do, you certainly don't have to use IDLE to be happy and
productive with Python. IDLE != Python.  There are many many other
editors/development environments that can be used.  A bunch are listed
on the Python wiki:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors


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Re: [Tutor] IDLE

2017-12-30 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor 
On 29/12/17 22:21, nelson jon kane wrote:

> ..., he had his own personal name "put in" to his Python,

I have no idea what you mean by that.
Python is an interpreter that executes your code.
It doesn't have a "User Name" in it.
In interactive mode it displays a prompt which
is usually >>> although you could change that
if you really wanted to. But it doesn't say
"User Name" anywhere.

I therefore assume you are talking about some
kind of development tool rather than Python itself.

Where did you get your "Python"?
What OS are you using?
What does it say in the window title bar?

Or maybe you can send a link to the videos so
we can see this tool?

> So, I'm looking for a new series of videos.

Videos are good for getting a feel for things and
understanding concepts but IMHO they are not good
for details. You don't have time to follow along by
typing in each line - and if you keep pausing the
video you lose continuity. And you need to type the
code to learn a programming language. So I'd
recommend using one of the many online web tutorials
supplemented by videos.

-- 
Alan G
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Re: [Tutor] IDLE

2017-12-30 Thread Leam Hall 

On 12/30/2017 04:07 AM, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote:


Videos are good for getting a feel for things and
understanding concepts but IMHO they are not good
for details. 


This is how I learn coding languages. Watch a video series for a little 
bit and then find a written tutorial to work through. Getting the "big 
picture" quickly helps provide a context and then digging deeply into 
the actual code really helps learning.


And yeah, I'll plug Alan's tutorial. I can't think of any reason not to 
use it.


Leam
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Re: [Tutor] IDLE

2017-12-30 Thread Random832 
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017, at 04:07, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote:
> On 29/12/17 22:21, nelson jon kane wrote:
> 
> > ..., he had his own personal name "put in" to his Python,
> 
> I have no idea what you mean by that.
> Python is an interpreter that executes your code.
> It doesn't have a "User Name" in it.
> In interactive mode it displays a prompt which
> is usually >>> although you could change that
> if you really wanted to. But it doesn't say
> "User Name" anywhere.
> 
> I therefore assume you are talking about some
> kind of development tool rather than Python itself.

I skimmed through the first couple videos, the only place I saw the creator's 
name was that his home directory was "C:\Users\(name)", which showed up in the 
filenames in the title bar and the windows command prompt. But that has nothing 
to do with Python really, it's just how his Windows is set up.
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