[Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless?
I am betting that a big reason newbies don't go straight to documentation for answers is because of the useless quick search. You should be able to type 'dictionary' and get links to the dictionary info. You get a bunch of links that are meaningless to someone who wants to learn about how to use dictionaries. It frustrates me to death when I want to look up a detail about how a particular function works and I can't find it because quick search doesn't provide the link to the BASIC information. Another example of what I am talking about, I just did a search of max(), a BUILT-IN function. This is what quick search gives me: Your search did not match any documents. Please make sure that all words are spelled correctly and that you've selected enough categories. What is up with that??? I realize that this list doesn't have control over python.org, but there are enough of you who are experts about all this stuff that maybe some changes can be made. If I ever learn enough, I hope to be part of the solution myself. A working search engine would be most helpful. Yes, I use Google all that time. But quick search should be useful. Thanks in advance for any insights and help. Deb in WA, USA Receive Notifications of Incoming Messages Easily monitor multiple email accounts & access them with a click. Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless?
I agree very much. I feel like I might have a learning disability when I try to reference the official Python docs for something that seems like it should be a very common task. On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Deb Wyatt wrote: > I am betting that a big reason newbies don't go straight to documentation for > answers is because of the useless quick search. You should be able to type > 'dictionary' and get links to the dictionary info. You get a bunch of links > that are meaningless to someone who wants to learn about how to use > dictionaries. It frustrates me to death when I want to look up a detail > about how a particular function works and I can't find it because quick > search doesn't provide the link to the BASIC information. > > Another example of what I am talking about, I just did a search of max(), a > BUILT-IN function. This is what quick search gives me: > > Your search did not match any documents. Please make sure that all words are > spelled correctly and that you've selected enough categories. > > What is up with that??? > > I realize that this list doesn't have control over python.org, but there are > enough of you who are experts about all this stuff that maybe some changes > can be made. If I ever learn enough, I hope to be part of the solution > myself. A working search engine would be most helpful. > > Yes, I use Google all that time. But quick search should be useful. Thanks in > advance for any insights and help. > > > Deb in WA, USA > > > Receive Notifications of Incoming Messages > Easily monitor multiple email accounts & access them with a click. > Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! > > > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless?
On 05/07/2014 18:31, Deb Wyatt wrote: I am betting that a big reason newbies don't go straight to documentation for answers is because of the useless quick search. You should be able to type 'dictionary' and get links to the dictionary info. You get a bunch of links that are meaningless to someone who wants to learn about how to use dictionaries. It frustrates me to death when I want to look up a detail about how a particular function works and I can't find it because quick search doesn't provide the link to the BASIC information. Another example of what I am talking about, I just did a search of max(), a BUILT-IN function. This is what quick search gives me: Your search did not match any documents. Please make sure that all words are spelled correctly and that you've selected enough categories. What is up with that??? I realize that this list doesn't have control over python.org, but there are enough of you who are experts about all this stuff that maybe some changes can be made. If I ever learn enough, I hope to be part of the solution myself. A working search engine would be most helpful. Yes, I use Google all that time. But quick search should be useful. Thanks in advance for any insights and help. Deb in WA, USA It's known to be useless so don't bother, use a google site specific search instead. Aside, your paragraphs are on one line, hope you're not using the dreaded google groups? :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] What are your favourite unofficial resources
On 30 June 2014 04:11, Alan Gauld wrote: > I'm looking for tips for an appendix to a book that > I'm working on. > > What are the best unofficial (ie not python.org) > resources for people who have learned the basics > but are not experts yet? ie Typical tutor list > "graduates"... > > I'm thinking about web sites, blogs, books, videos etc. > Anything that might be worth knowing about. > > I've got a few of my own - Activestate, O'Reilly, > ByteOfPython, PythonChallenge, ShowMeDo etc. > > But I thought the tutor list readers might be an > interesting source of alternatives that I hadn't > thought of, or even heard of. > > All contributions considered :-) > > -- > Alan G > Author of the Learn to Program web site > http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos > > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor I got the following link from the Pycoder's weekly newsletter(http://pycoders.com/) http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/29qd6x/ask_recommended_python_books_for_experienced/ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] What are your favourite unofficial resources
-- On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 8:09 PM CEST Varuna Seneviratna wrote: >On 30 June 2014 04:11, Alan Gauld wrote: >> I'm looking for tips for an appendix to a book that >> I'm working on. >> >> What are the best unofficial (ie not python.org) >> resources for people who have learned the basics >> but are not experts yet? ie Typical tutor list >> "graduates"... >> >> I'm thinking about web sites, blogs, books, videos etc. >> Anything that might be worth knowing about. >> >> I've got a few of my own - Activestate, O'Reilly, >> ByteOfPython, PythonChallenge, ShowMeDo etc. >> >> But I thought the tutor list readers might be an >> interesting source of alternatives that I hadn't >> thought of, or even heard of. >> >> All contributions considered :-) >> >> -- >> Alan G >> Author of the Learn to Program web site >> http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos >> >> ___ >> Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org >> To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > > >I got the following link from the Pycoder's weekly >newsletter(http://pycoders.com/) >http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/29qd6x/ask_recommended_python_books_for_experienced/ For tkinter, this is a great resource: http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/tkinter/web/index.html ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless?
> -Original Message- > From: breamore...@yahoo.co.uk > Sent: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 19:26:41 +0100 > To: tutor@python.org > Subject: Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless? > > On 05/07/2014 18:31, Deb Wyatt wrote: >> I am betting that a big reason newbies don't go straight to >> documentation for answers is because of the useless quick search. You >> should be able to type 'dictionary' and get links to the dictionary >> info. You get a bunch of links that are meaningless to someone who >> wants to learn about how to use dictionaries. It frustrates me to death >> when I want to look up a detail about how a particular function works >> and I can't find it because quick search doesn't provide the link to the >> BASIC information. >> >> Another example of what I am talking about, I just did a search of >> max(), a BUILT-IN function. This is what quick search gives me: >> >> Your search did not match any documents. Please make sure that all words >> are spelled correctly and that you've selected enough categories. >> >> What is up with that??? >> >> I realize that this list doesn't have control over python.org, but there >> are enough of you who are experts about all this stuff that maybe some >> changes can be made. If I ever learn enough, I hope to be part of the >> solution myself. A working search engine would be most helpful. >> >> Yes, I use Google all that time. But quick search should be useful. >> Thanks in advance for any insights and help. >> >> >> Deb in WA, USA >> > > It's known to be useless so don't bother, use a google site specific > search instead. > > Aside, your paragraphs are on one line, hope you're not using the > dreaded google groups? :) > > -- > My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask > what you can do for our language. > > Mark Lawrence > It shouldn't be useless. No I'm NOT using goggle groups. I'd be using a news reader if accessing news was still free. I'm just using an on-line email provider with text only, and a subscription to the group. I was not aware that Python Tutor was even available in Google groups... Hey, what you can do for your language is help make the search useful. Deb in WA, USA FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless?
On 05/07/2014 19:40, Deb Wyatt wrote: -Original Message- From: breamore...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 19:26:41 +0100 To: tutor@python.org Subject: Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless? On 05/07/2014 18:31, Deb Wyatt wrote: I am betting that a big reason newbies don't go straight to documentation for answers is because of the useless quick search. You should be able to type 'dictionary' and get links to the dictionary info. You get a bunch of links that are meaningless to someone who wants to learn about how to use dictionaries. It frustrates me to death when I want to look up a detail about how a particular function works and I can't find it because quick search doesn't provide the link to the BASIC information. Another example of what I am talking about, I just did a search of max(), a BUILT-IN function. This is what quick search gives me: Your search did not match any documents. Please make sure that all words are spelled correctly and that you've selected enough categories. What is up with that??? I realize that this list doesn't have control over python.org, but there are enough of you who are experts about all this stuff that maybe some changes can be made. If I ever learn enough, I hope to be part of the solution myself. A working search engine would be most helpful. Yes, I use Google all that time. But quick search should be useful. Thanks in advance for any insights and help. Deb in WA, USA It's known to be useless so don't bother, use a google site specific search instead. Aside, your paragraphs are on one line, hope you're not using the dreaded google groups? :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence It shouldn't be useless. No I'm NOT using goggle groups. I'd be using a news reader if accessing news was still free. I'm just using an on-line email provider with text only, and a subscription to the group. I was not aware that Python Tutor was even available in Google groups... Hey, what you can do for your language is help make the search useful. Deb in WA, USA As I said it's a known problem, but then so are the 4600 bugs at bugs.python.org. So why bother spending the time making the search useful when there is a well known workaround, I prefer my time to go on the bug tracker. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless?
> I realize that this list doesn't have control over python.org, but there are enough of you who are experts about all this stuff that maybe some changes can be made. If I ever learn enough, I hope to be part of the solution myself. A working search engine would be most helpful. Hi Deb, Yeah, unfortunately I don't think anyone here is part of the group that manages the web site. You might want to contact them directly? I think you should be able to reach them at: https://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/ It would be good if the web page search engine were to be improved. Let's get the feedback to the right people so that it can be fixed. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless?
> -Original Message- > From: d...@hashcollision.org > Sent: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:26:36 -0700 > To: codemon...@inbox.com > Subject: Re: [Tutor] Why is Quick Search at docs.Python.org so useless? > >> I realize that this list doesn't have control over python.org, but there > are enough of you who are experts about all this stuff that maybe some > changes can be made. If I ever learn enough, I hope to be part of the > solution myself. A working search engine would be most helpful. > > Hi Deb, > > Yeah, unfortunately I don't think anyone here is part of the group that > manages the web site. You might want to contact them directly? I think > you should be able to reach them at: > > https://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/ > > It would be good if the web page search engine were to be improved. > Let's > get the feedback to the right people so that it can be fixed. Thank you for the link. That is very helpful. Deb in WA, USA FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
