Re: [SM-USERS] Phantom folder totals

2005-05-09 Thread WJCarpenter
>> When I have deleted mails via Outlook, the next time I go into
>> SquirrelMail the "total" number for that folder is not zero, but
>> the number of emails deleted via outlook. This figure remains until
>> I view the folder in question and then click on "Check Mail".

fj> When you click "Check Mail" in SquirrelMail the messages marked
fj> for deletion is "found" and expunged thanks to the default setting
fj> in SquirrelMail ("Auto Expunge").

I believe that's correct.  In the left frame folders list, SM 1.4.4
displays the total number of messages and the number of unseen
messages without considering if any messages have been deleted.  I
imagine it was done that way because the implementation path is pretty
easy.  It uses the IMAP STATUS command which lets you ask about those
things but, alas, not about deleted messages.

I think that's kind of unforunate behavior because most users are not
going to think of it as a feature to be able to "undelete" messages
this way in SM (especially if auto-expunge is turned on).  They get
that feature by having a Trash box and using it.  Under those
circumstances, a user won't think about deleted messages in a folder
when considering its contents.  All it adds is confusion.

To get the number of deleted messages in a folder, you would probably
use FETCH to get the message flags (for all messages) and add them up
yourself.  Depending on your IMAP server, the cost of doing FETCH
might be the same or more expensive than STATUS, though the response
size for FETCH will always be larger (a response line per message).
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Re: [SM-USERS] Sending an email out to all

2005-05-13 Thread WJCarpenter
>> [Wants a send-to-everyone feature in the local college SM]

pl> I can hardly imagine that it is feasible to keep a SM address
pl> group synched with a list of ALL students at a university!  That's
pl> a pretty poor solution for what should be done with list
pl> management software instead.

Or, said another way, stop trying to put this more or less impossible
task into your sending software (SM), and delegate it instead to your
email infrastructure.  List management software is one path.  Pushing
this down to your MTA is another.

Paul mentions some dynamically doing a query to get a list of
addresses and then ... well, I shudder to think, but I guess you end
up sending 5,000 individual messages or 100 messages with 50
addressees or something.  Using a query scheme has a lot of creative
uses, but it obviously doesn't scale.  Not when the answer is
"everybody" for large values of "everybody".  At that point, it's not
creative.

If you instead define an email alias in your MTA (sendmail, exim,
qmail, or whatever), you need merely address your message to that
alias and let your mail plumbing do the fan-out.  If it has to do a
dynamic query to some directory and build message envelope lists from
that, what do you care?  That's the job it's taken on.  It's also
useful whether you use SM or something else.  (The MTA can implement
restrictions like only allowing certain senders to use the alias.)
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Re: [SM-USERS] Sending an email out to all

2005-05-15 Thread WJCarpenter
ax> I agree that an email alias is a better way of doing this task.
ax> That being said, don't you still have to keep the alias updated?

Of course, unless you're lucky enough to be able to query an LDAP
directory or something like that.  The real point, though, is that
solving this probably in SM is solving it in the wrong place, for a
variety of architectural and performance reasons.  (I'm not opposed to
anybody solving their particular problem in whatever way makes them
happy, so my suggestion is merely aimed at turning short-term
happiness into long-term happiness.  :-)
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Re: [SM-USERS] Deleting message when mailbox is over/near quota limit?

2005-07-12 Thread WJCarpenter
ca> i am using cyrus-imapd as mda/imap server and squirrelmail for
ca> Webmailing. I have noticed that when a mailbox is near the quota
ca> limit or over this limit it is not possible to delete any message
ca> because the standard setting is to move the message into the Trash

A different approach, which may or may not help in your situation, is
to use a plugin which assists users in deleting messages before they
get up near the quota.  I know of three such plugins:


empty_trash
http://www.squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=92

The Empty Trash plugin will automatically empty a user's trash folder
periodically (by number of days between logins and/or by number of
logins). The system administrator can configure how often (if at all)
users' trash folders will be emptied.

Note that the settings used in this plugin will affect all users on
your system (who use SquirrelMail).


auto_prune_sent
http://www.squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=135

This plugin automatically deletes messages from your "sent" folder
which are older than a (per-user) configurable age.


proon (not yet on the SM plugins page ... getting there is in progress)
http://www.spindry.com/proon.1.0.0-1.4.4.tar.gz

This plug-in can automatically prune any of your folders of old
messages.  "Old" is configured per user, per folder.  It can also
prune folders by total size and by total message count.



FYI, I wrote the proon plugin.
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RE: [SM-USERS] php accelerator

2005-09-16 Thread WJCarpenter
>> If it's on the same box, imapproxy won't do any good, AFAIK...
>
> Sure it will. No matter where the imap server is located imapproxy will
> still do its connection pooling to it which is its primary purpose.

There are several IMAP proxy programs around.  Some of them only do request 
forwarding, in
which case there's no benefit on a single box.  At least one (UP IMAPProxy) 
also does
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[SM-USERS] avelsieve with uw-imap

2005-09-18 Thread WJCarpenter
I'm just starting down the road of trying to set up avelsieve (which
looks pretty cool), and I'm trying to gauge the effort.  Has anyone
set this up using UW IMAP?  I reckon I can either track down or code a
suitable sieve management daemon like timsieved.  I'm just looking for
an indication of whether this is going to be A Simple Matter of Code
or is going a lifelong quest of "almost there".

Anyone been down this path already?

BTW, the other piece of the puzzle is that I am using Exim4 as my
MTA.  It supports sieve filters, but I don't yet know if there are
serious assumption mismatches between Exim4 and avelsieve.  If anyone
happens to have any comments on that, I'd appreciate that, too.
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Re: [SM-USERS] avelsieve with uw-imap

2005-09-21 Thread WJCarpenter
wjc> Has anyone set this up using UW IMAP?

av> I believe that you'd be better off using filtering at the SMTP
av> (MSA) level, like with Exim, rather than coding Sieve from scratch
av> for UW (which sounds really mad, if you ask me :-) )

Sounds mad to me, too, but I wasn't trying to say that :-).  Yeah, I
am using Exim to actually interpret and use the Sieve scripts.  I
guess I phrased my question poorly.  I should have asked if anyone had
tried setting up timsieved or equivalent independently of Cyrus.
That's what I meant.

av> I'm working on making different 'storage' backends (other than
av> MANAGESIEVE) available for avelsieve. Exim + avelsieve will get to
av> work together then.

I might be able to help some with this effort if you're interested.
Are you actively working on it, or is it on your "someday" list.  Let
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Re: [SM-USERS] Sendmail vs. SMTP - - pros, cons?

2006-09-26 Thread WJCarpenter
> Can anyone provide some comparison between Sendmail and SMTP for
> sending outgoing mail from the server? Are there advantages of one
> over the other, or disadvantages? Are there reasons why I should use
> one rather than the other for SquirrelMail?

With sendmail, you probably get a mild efficiency improvement.

With sendmail, you probably get a boatload of generally tolerable quirky 
behavior.

With SMTP, you reduce your dependency on the host environment because you're 
just speaking a
protocol and not calling some specific program.

With SMTP, you go through port 25 (or whatever you configure), so your internal 
protections
against spam, viruses, DoS, and on and on, are are likely to operate more 
consistently between
your SM traffic and your "all other" traffic.

Me?  I'd always choose SMTP unless there were some particular issue that had me 
stuck, and
sendmail was a cure.  However, I'm biased because I dislike sendmail for non-SM 
reasons (and
even though I use something else that emulates it :-).



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Re: [SM-USERS] Spam and Trash Folder Auto-Delete?

2007-09-08 Thread WJCarpenter
clair> I would like to have both my TRASH folder and my SPAM folder
clair> auto-delete messages contained in them after a certain period
clair> of time. Is there any way to do this?

The "proon" plugin can do this:

http://www.squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=251


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Re: [SM-USERS] server replied 354

2007-09-15 Thread WJCarpenter
FWIW, when I have had this problem it was due to a combination of
circumstances that didn't have much to do with SM.  

I use Exim as my MTA, and under some circumstances it calls out
immediately to try to deliver the message (i.e., while SM is still
waiting for the final response code).  If the callout fails, the send
fails, Exim reports the reason to SM, and SM reports it to the user.

On one occasion, an external site had some kind of illness and was
giving a 354 response at the wrong time (I forget, but it might have
been right after MAIL FROM:).  SM was only showing this symptom when
attempts were made to send to addressees on that site.  (As it turns
out, it was Yahoo, so the problem was showing up a lot.)  The cure was
to wait; they fixed themselves after a few hours.

I mention this not only to pass along an amusing geek anecdote :-),
but also because it was very difficult to track it down.  Is there a
pattern to the addresses when this happens?  Check your MTA logs.


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Re: [SM-USERS] SMS message to mobile phone

2008-05-23 Thread WJCarpenter

> Thanks for the input. We are trying to make a script so that parents will
> recieve a text message of student grades. Just getting info needed to see
> what direction to take.
>   

Here is some additional info that may be worth knowing.

The "native" interface for SMS is not email/SMTP.  The native stuff is 
fairly robust, but the email gateways vary quite widely.  For example, 
with my carrier (T-Mobile in the US), a text message submitted via their 
web site or from another subscriber's phone will be delivered within a 
few seconds.  A text message sent via their email gateway to the same 
phone number will sometimes also be delivered immediately.  
Unfortunately, it can also be delayed for hours or not ever show up.  My 
experience with other carriers over the years has been similar.


If you don't want to keep up your own list of email address formats for 
SMS for various carriers, there are 3rd parties who will take care of 
that for you.  Many of those 3rd parties are free to use (unless your 
volumes are big, which could affect you with your intended use).  For 
those I've spot-checked, all the free ones use the various carriers' 
email-to-SMS gateways, and that has the reliability shortcoming 
described above.  A few of the for-pay services sound like they are 
using the native SMS/MMS interfaces, but I don't really know for sure 
since I didn't try them.  The reasons for this arrangement are obvious: 
there are charges associated with the native gateways, whereas the 
carriers allow free email-to-SMS as a convenience feature on a 
best-effort basis.


The bottom line is that you are likely to find email-to-SMS a heck of a 
lot less reliable and higher hassle than plain old email.  It's not my 
place to wonder why student grades are so urgent that SMS is better than 
plain old email, but you might want to consider allowing notification 
both ways.  (In my personal environment, I have an email alias that 
forwards to both my normal email mailbox and to my SMS address.)



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[SM-USERS] upper vs lower login

2003-06-28 Thread WJCarpenter
Hmmm, when I log into SM, I can use any mixture of case that I want,
and I still get in.  Like most Unix sites, my user accounts are all
lowercase, and I can't do a native login with mixed case.

Is SM mapping the userId to lowercase, or is it something else in the
chain doing that?

((This wouldn't matter too much, but SM finds the prefs file according
to the actual case used, so it's a miss for "WJC" vs "wjc".))

My environment:  SM 1.4.0, UW IMAP, Apache 1.3.?, RedHat 7.1+
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Re: [SM-USERS] upper vs lower login

2003-06-28 Thread WJCarpenter
>> Is SM mapping the userId to lowercase, or is it something else in
>> the chain doing that?

seth> There should be a configuration option in conf.pl.  4. General
seth> Options -> 6. Usernames in Lowercase

Duh-oh!  Thanks!  Now that you point it out, I remember seeing it.
For whatever reason I thought it had just the opposite effect of what
it really does, and I remember thinking "glad I don't need this".

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RE: [SM-USERS] Archive Mail

2003-07-14 Thread WJCarpenter
ms>  Ok, this one has got me. I am able to
ms> archive/zip up one of my folders, 'SPAMAssassin'. However if I try
ms> to do it with ANY other folder I get the 1k file with the error
ms> message. Any ideas or suggestions on how to go about tracking this
ms> down?  Are other people just not using this

Just a suggestion of something to look at ... do you see a difference
between archiving files that are being displayed in threaded view
versus those that are not?

((Another suggestion, unrelated ... somehow you've got SM sending your
messages as text/html instead of multipart/alternative with at least
one text/plain alternative.  Ouch.))
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RE: [SM-USERS] Best or Recommended PHP editor

2003-07-21 Thread WJCarpenter
paj> I have been using Squirrelmail for a while now without really
paj> understanding how it works. I now have a PHP book to help me
paj> learn.

paj> Can anyone recommend a free PHP editor program for WinXP?

If you are already a programmer and just want a tool for PHP, perhaps
you would be interested in a PHP plug-in for the Eclipse IDE.  Here is
one:

  http://phpeclipse.sourceforge.net/

I haven't used this (because I seldom edit PHP), but it looks pretty
good in the screenshots.

If you are not a programmer and just want to dink around with PHP, you
probably want a lighter-weight solution than this.  Eclipse is very
nice, but you have to kind of make an investment to get started.
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[SM-USERS] copy, not move

2003-10-09 Thread WJCarpenter
SM doesn't have a "copy message" feature (or some might think of this
as "save-as").  It does have a fine "move message" feature.  Is there
something about the underlying IMAP protocol that makes it hard to
implement "copy message", or is it just something that doesn't happen
to be in SM?

(Motivational pitch:  I want to set up a scheme where users can train
our Bayesian anti-spam filter with good or bad messages.  I'd like to
be able to have them just drop a copy of a message into some
conventionally named folders (e.g., "spam" and "ham"), and a cron job
would grab them and delete them after they were used in training.
They probably wouldn't care about using "move" for spam, but it's
hardly reasonable to use anything other than "copy" for ham.)
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RE: [SM-USERS] Slightly Unusual Request?

2003-10-17 Thread WJCarpenter
matt> I'd need to do to get it to poll only the INBOX and not search
matt> for all available mailboxes when the user logs in.  It's
matt> basically to be used on an ISP startpage.. and we just want to
matt> display the number of "unread messages".  I've already hacked

It's none of my business, of course, but this sure seems like a
roundabout way of doing what you want.  You could probably instead
bang this out in about 10-20 lines of any convenient scripting
language and not use SM at all.
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Re: [SM-USERS] Getting favicon.ico to work with SM?

2004-11-02 Thread WJCarpenter
So, one asks, is there a SquirrelMail brand favicon.ico laying about
somewhere that one could copy and use (once we figure out where to put
it)?



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RE: [SM-USERS] Re: Is it possible to import .eml messages?

2005-03-11 Thread WJCarpenter
>> I would like to start using Squirrelmail to read/write mail
>> exclusively via a browser. I already have a whole load of emails
>> (inbox and sent items) stored as .eml files. Is there a tool
>> available to allow me to migrate the separate eml files into
>> Squirrelmail? If no tool exists can anyone give me any tips to how
>> I might hack the files to achieve this task?

Another approach (which I admit requires a bit of luck) is to
configure your current program (which I presume is MS Outlook or
Outlook Express) to connect to the IMAP account you plan to use with
SM.  Most IMAP-based mail programs let you have local folders and
server-based folders (though they try their best to confuse you with
terminology that obscures what they're doing).  They will also
generally let you copy things from one folder to another, so get your
saved messages into some local folder and then copy them to a
server-based folder.



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Re: [SM-USERS] A plugin or patch to hide read messages?

2012-03-04 Thread WJCarpenter
I suppose you have thought of this and don't want to do it this way ... 
but have you considered just moving your read messages to a folder other 
than INBOX?


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[SM-USERS] multiple SM sessions, single browser

2012-05-18 Thread WJCarpenter
((I know this is a bit of a known issue topic, but I've been poking 
around for a bit and I haven't come across any discussion of whether 
something can be done about it, either natively or with a plugin.  Sorry 
if I'm just unlucky at keyword searching today.))

A user has two accounts on my server.  They want to have both accounts 
open in different tabs or windows of their browser.  This doesn't work, 
and the two SM sessions fight with each other a bit.  I believe it's 
because both sessions are using the same cookie name to store the SM 
session ID.  (We use the default SQMSESSID.)

Is there a known solution for this, other than using two different 
browsers?  (This user happens to use Chrome, so if there were some 
cookie-isolation feature of Chrome, that would help this user.  It would 
be cleaner if there were a browser-independent solution at the SM or PHP 
layer.)

I've just started poking around the session code in 
functions/global.php.  Though I'm sure I can brute force something in 
there with a patch, I'm not too clear on what horrible side-effects I 
might trigger.  For example, I'm thinking about maybe making the cookie 
name unique by some reliable encoding of the login id (user foo encodes 
to SQMSESSID_asdfg, user bar encodes to SQMSESSID_qwerty).

Any thoughts?


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Re: [SM-USERS] Looking for a new version with AJAX etc.

2012-11-28 Thread WJCarpenter
On 11/28/2012 04:11 AM, francwal...@gmx.net wrote:
> For years I used Squirrelmail, but now, when I introduced Roundcube to my 
> users, they immediately wanted to switch.
> It is done, roundcube is our new webmailer.

I offer both on my server. (I also offer a 3rd which seems a little 
better for mobile users.) Some users don't like change, and it doesn't 
take much effort to keep offering SM.

RC doesn't have as rich a set of plugins as SM, but it seems to be 
rapidly catching up.


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