Re: [SM-USERS] Squirrelmail: UTF-8 not handled well

2011-03-15 Thread Michelle Konzack 
Hello Tomas Kuliavas,

Back again

Am 2010-05-03 12:05:25, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> Could you tell exactly what is wrong? Alignment? Arabic and Farsi texts
> are very hard to read for people, who are not familiar with these
> languages.
> 
> 001_webdeveloper.jpg screenshot shows that SquirrelMail sends utf-8 header
> and not iso-8859-1.
> 
> If SquirrelMail has problems with RTL texts, could you help us in fixing
> this issue without using c... word.

:-D

It seems Squirrelmail detect the language correctly, but the thing which
is missing is:

Squirrelmail has to add  dir="rtl" to the HTML Tags e.g.:



or in a paragraph


This Text ist Left-To-Right.

 .tfeL-oT-thgiR tsi txeT sihT


dir="" mean DIRECTION.  For Farsi, Arabic and Hebrew you have simply  to
set the direction and all other things are working alone.

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Re: [SM-USERS] Squirrelmail: UTF-8 not handled well

2011-03-15 Thread Tomas Kuliavas 
2011.03.15 22:20 Michelle Konzack rašė:
> Hello Tomas Kuliavas,
>
> Back again
>
> Am 2010-05-03 12:05:25, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>> Could you tell exactly what is wrong? Alignment? Arabic and Farsi texts
>> are very hard to read for people, who are not familiar with these
>> languages.
>>
>> 001_webdeveloper.jpg screenshot shows that SquirrelMail sends utf-8
>> header
>> and not iso-8859-1.
>>
>> If SquirrelMail has problems with RTL texts, could you help us in fixing
>> this issue without using c... word.
>
> :-D
>
> It seems Squirrelmail detect the language correctly, but the thing which
> is missing is:
>
> Squirrelmail has to add  dir="rtl" to the HTML Tags e.g.:
>
> 
>
> or in a paragraph
>
> 
> This Text ist Left-To-Right.
> 
>  .tfeL-oT-thgiR tsi txeT sihT
> 
>
> dir="" mean DIRECTION.  For Farsi, Arabic and Hebrew you have simply  to
> set the direction and all other things are working alone.

How code can tell that text written in text area is in RTL language? I can
write three different names of god in text box and only one of them will
be in RTL.

dir attribute works for pages where page author controls content of the
page. In webmail you don't control user inputs and email contents.

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Re: [SM-USERS] Iranian (was: Bug Report)

2011-03-15 Thread Michelle Konzack 
Hello Fredrik Jervfors,

Am 2010-09-15 15:36:37, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> > please input persiean(farsi)language for type subject title
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean. Could you please describe the problem with
> more details?

Even if squirrelmail detect the right language fa_IR it does not support
RTL which is neccesary for our language (same for arabic and hebrew)

In html it is:


   TFEL-OT-THGIR morf hpargarap emos

some text from LEFT-TO-RIGHT


> Sincerely,
> Fredrik

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: [SM-USERS] Squirrelmail: UTF-8 not handled well

2011-03-15 Thread Michelle Konzack 
Hello Tomas Kuliavas,

Am 2011-03-15 22:32:55, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> How code can tell that text written in text area is in RTL language? I can
> write three different names of god in text box and only one of them will
> be in RTL.
> 
> dir attribute works for pages where page author controls content of the
> page. In webmail you don't control user inputs and email contents.

ANd how does it work in Google Translate or Transliterate?

It is a BIG INPUT field and it just works.

Can it be, that it des not work in "squirrelmail",  du  to  the  default
charset of iso-8859-1?  I think, it is realy time to switch entirely  to
utf-8 which is the most common charset used.

Du to the mix of charsets in squirrelmail, sometimes  farsi  is  working
and german not and another time it works with german and farsi does  not
more work.  Currently I use an external editor to write farsi  mails  in
mutt and it works flawless, but I (and not only me)  have  the  need  to
write my mother language in squirrelmail.

Oh and also my E-Mail give some weird Errors in Squirrelmail, even if it
is 100% legal and RFC conform.  ;-)

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack

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Re: [SM-USERS] Squirrelmail: UTF-8 not handled well

2011-03-15 Thread Noel Butler 
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 00:37 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:


> 
> Can it be, that it des not work in "squirrelmail",  du  to  the  default
> charset of iso-8859-1?  I think, it is realy time to switch entirely  to
> utf-8 which is the most common charset used.


I beg to differ, 8859-1 and -15  are more commonly used. But this may be
geographically  related, utf-8 still has its quirks.




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Re: [SM-USERS] Squirrelmail: UTF-8 not handled well

2011-03-15 Thread Tomas Kuliavas 


Michelle Konzack wrote:
> 
> Hello Tomas Kuliavas,
> 
> Am 2011-03-15 22:32:55, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>> How code can tell that text written in text area is in RTL language? I
>> can
>> write three different names of god in text box and only one of them will
>> be in RTL.
>> 
>> dir attribute works for pages where page author controls content of the
>> page. In webmail you don't control user inputs and email contents.
> 
> ANd how does it work in Google Translate or Transliterate?
> 
> It is a BIG INPUT field and it just works.
> 
Does not work as good as gedit. 

http://img818.imageshack.us/i/nuotrauka1.png/

"just works" means that it works correctly and not that google form (or your
browser) works a little bit better than some other thing.


Michelle Konzack wrote:
> 
> Can it be, that it des not work in "squirrelmail",  du  to  the  default
> charset of iso-8859-1?  I think, it is realy time to switch entirely  to
> utf-8 which is the most common charset used.
> 
> Du to the mix of charsets in squirrelmail, sometimes  farsi  is  working
> and german not and another time it works with german and farsi does  not
> more work.  Currently I use an external editor to write farsi  mails  in
> mutt and it works flawless, but I (and not only me)  have  the  need  to
> write my mother language in squirrelmail.
> 
> Oh and also my E-Mail give some weird Errors in Squirrelmail, even if it
> is 100% legal and RFC conform.  ;-)
> 
When SquirrelMail started in 1999, it was started in Western Europe and US.
iso-8859-1 worked fine there. Later developers added other languages and
instead of forcing one common charset, they allowed translators to choose
interface charset used in their translation. utf-8 was not common then.
SquirrelMail design is old and change is not made due to backwards
compatibility issues. You are free to use SquirrelMail 1.4.8 converted to
utf-8 by some SquirrelMail developers, convert newer version to pure utf-8
interface or find package which looks like SquirrelMail and is already
converted to utf-8.


Michelle Konzack wrote:
> 
> Oh and also my E-Mail give some weird Errors in Squirrelmail, even if it
> is 100% legal and RFC conform.  ;-)
> 
Again. Please provide details instead of baseless complains.

I would like to make webmail compatible with RTL and even searched for
people who can answer my questions about RTL, but you are not trying to
help. You are only complaining without providing any useful information.
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