[Rd] R 3.4.2 scheduled for September 28

[Peter Dalgaard]

Full schedule available on developer.r-project.org (pending auto-update from 
SVN)

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Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School
Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
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Re: [Rd] I have corrected a dead link in the treering documentation

[Thomas Levine]

This dead link is still present in the svn HEAD.

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[Rd] Missing y label

[Therneau, Terry M., Ph.D.]

My on-screen plots with the latest build are acting strange.  If the y label is longer 
than some small value it is not shown.


Here is the script of a job.  A pdf graph is fine.  I use xubuntu as the 
windowing system.


tmt-local1334% R --vanilla

R Under development (unstable) (2017-08-31 r73172) -- "Unsuffered Consequences"
Copyright (C) 2017 The R Foundation for Statistical Computing
Platform: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu (64-bit)

R is free software and comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
You are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.
Type 'license()' or 'licence()' for distribution details.

  Natural language support but running in an English locale

R is a collaborative project with many contributors.
Type 'contributors()' for more information and
'citation()' on how to cite R or R packages in publications.

Type 'demo()' for some demos, 'help()' for on-line help, or
'help.start()' for an HTML browser interface to help.
Type 'q()' to quit R.

> sessionInfo()
R Under development (unstable) (2017-08-31 r73172)
Platform: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu (64-bit)
Running under: Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS

Matrix products: default
BLAS: /usr/local/src/R-devel/lib/libRblas.so
LAPACK: /usr/local/src/R-devel/lib/libRlapack.so

locale:
 [1] LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8   LC_NUMERIC=C
 [3] LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8LC_COLLATE=C
 [5] LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
 [7] LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8   LC_NAME=C
 [9] LC_ADDRESS=C   LC_TELEPHONE=C
[11] LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=C

attached base packages:
[1] stats graphics  grDevices utils datasets  methods base

loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
[1] compiler_3.5.0
> plot(1:5, 1:5, ylab="abcde")  # has a y label
> plot(1:5, 1:5, ylab="abcdefghi")  # no label

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[Rd] Natural vs National in R signon banner?

[Paul McQuesten]

The R signon banner includes this statement:
 Natural language support but running in an English locale

Should that not say 'National' instead of 'Natural'?
Meaning that LOCALE support is enabled, not that the interface understands
human language?

Please ignore this and forgive me if this is an inappropriate post. I am a
N00B in R.

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Re: [Rd] Natural vs National in R signon banner?

[Duncan Murdoch]

On 31/08/2017 5:38 PM, Paul McQuesten wrote:

The R signon banner includes this statement:
  Natural language support but running in an English locale

Should that not say 'National' instead of 'Natural'?
Meaning that LOCALE support is enabled, not that the interface understands
human language?



No, "natural language" refers to human languages, but it doesn't imply 
that R understands them.  NLS just means that messages may be presented 
in (or translated to) other human languages in an appropriate context.


For example, you can start R on most platforms from the console using

LANGUAGE=de R

and instead of the start message you saw, you'll see

R ist freie Software und kommt OHNE JEGLICHE GARANTIE.
Sie sind eingeladen, es unter bestimmten Bedingungen weiter zu verbreiten.
Tippen Sie 'license()' or 'licence()' für Details dazu.

and so on.


Please ignore this and forgive me if this is an inappropriate post. I am a
N00B in R.


I don't think it is inappropriate.

Duncan Murdoch

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Re: [Rd] Natural vs National in R signon banner?

[Paul McQuesten]

Actually, I do agree with you about Microsoft.
But they have so many users that their terminology should not be ignored.

Here are a few more views:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_aix_71/com.ibm.aix.performance/natl_lang_supp_locale_speed.htm
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/E26033/glmbx.html
http://support.sas.com/documentation/cdl/en/nlsref/69741/HTML/default/viewer.htm#n1n9bwctsthuqbn1xgipyw5xwujl.htm
https://docs.intersystems.com/latest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GSA_config_nls
https://sites.ualberta.ca/dept/chemeng/AIX-43/share/man/info/C/a_doc_lib/aixprggd/genprogc/nls.htm
http://scc.ustc.edu.cn/zlsc/tc4600/intel/2017.0.098/compiler_f/common/core/GUID-1AEC889E-98A7-4A7D-91B3-865C476F603D.html

It does appear, however, that what I call 'National Language' is often
referred to as 'Native Language'. And the 'National Language' terminology
is said to not be used consistently:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_language

I do still feel, however, that claiming 'Natural Language' support in R
sets expectations of new users overly high.

Thank you for spending so much time on such a minor nit.

Regards



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Duncan Murdoch 
wrote:

> On 31/08/2017 6:37 PM, Paul McQuesten wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Duncan. But if it is not inappropriate, I feel empowered to argue.
>>
>> According to this definition, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> Natural_language:
>>   In neuropsychology, linguistics and the philosophy of language, a
>> natural language or ordinary language is any language that has evolved
>> naturally in humans ...
>>
>> Thus this banner statement may appear over-claiming to a significant
>> fraction of R users.
>>
>> It seems that LOCALE is called 'National language' support in other
>> software systems.
>> Eg: https://www.microsoft.com/resources/msdn/goglobal/default.mspx
>>
>
> I wouldn't take Microsoft as an authority on this (or much of anything).
> They really are amazingly incompetent, considering how much money they earn.
>
> Duncan Murdoch
>
>
>> And, yes, this is a low priority issue. All of you have better things to
>> do.
>>
>> R is an extremely powerful and comprehensive software system.
>> Thank you all for that.
>> And I would like to clean one gnat from the windshield.
>>
>> I just wax pedantic at times.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Duncan Murdoch > > wrote:
>>
>> On 31/08/2017 5:38 PM, Paul McQuesten wrote:
>>
>> The R signon banner includes this statement:
>>Natural language support but running in an English locale
>>
>> Should that not say 'National' instead of 'Natural'?
>> Meaning that LOCALE support is enabled, not that the interface
>> understands
>> human language?
>>
>>
>> No, "natural language" refers to human languages, but it doesn't
>> imply that R understands them.  NLS just means that messages may be
>> presented in (or translated to) other human languages in an
>> appropriate context.
>>
>> For example, you can start R on most platforms from the console using
>>
>> LANGUAGE=de R
>>
>> and instead of the start message you saw, you'll see
>>
>> R ist freie Software und kommt OHNE JEGLICHE GARANTIE.
>> Sie sind eingeladen, es unter bestimmten Bedingungen weiter zu
>> verbreiten.
>> Tippen Sie 'license()' or 'licence()' für Details dazu.
>>
>> and so on.
>>
>> Please ignore this and forgive me if this is an inappropriate
>> post. I am a
>> N00B in R.
>>
>>
>> I don't think it is inappropriate.
>>
>> Duncan Murdoch
>>
>>
>>
>

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