Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ

2005-10-23 Thread entropy
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> In comp.lang.perl.misc David Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>  
> >> Sorry, but nobody but the government actually owns property. In most
> >> places, you can't make non-trivial changes to "your" property without
> >> permission from the government. They even charge you rent on "your"
> >> property, only they call it "property tax".
>  
> >I see you are a totalitarianist or perhaps a communist. If you want to 
> > live in America and discuss things that are relevent to America, let me 
> > know.
> 
> Why would you say that - Mike Meyer made a point to which you have
> obviously no answer. Or do you deny that his comments on this matter
> of property are true?

Methinks David simply missed that Mike was being facetious.  (Irony 
and facetiousness don't translate well into print, as Frank Zappa 
once noted.)
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Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ

2005-10-23 Thread entropy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...
> > In comp.lang.perl.misc David Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> >  
> > >> Sorry, but nobody but the government actually owns property. In most
> > >> places, you can't make non-trivial changes to "your" property without
> > >> permission from the government. They even charge you rent on "your"
> > >> property, only they call it "property tax".
> >  
> > >I see you are a totalitarianist or perhaps a communist. If you want to 
> > > live in America and discuss things that are relevent to America, let me 
> > > know.
> > 
> > Why would you say that - Mike Meyer made a point to which you have
> > obviously no answer. Or do you deny that his comments on this matter
> > of property are true?
> 
> Methinks David simply missed that Mike was being facetious.  (Irony 
> and facetiousness don't translate well into print, as Frank Zappa 
> once noted.)

Uh, you _were_ being facetious there, weren't you Mike?
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Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ

2005-10-24 Thread entropy
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> > Also may I remind you that these newsgroups are international.
> 
> So what? We are talking about a United States' company's actions with 
> respect to United States laws. There is no reason to make this about 
> philosophy, politics, law, international relations or any such things. If we 
> did that, we would wind up on tangents (just like this one!) that have 
> nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft.
> 
> Yes, in a discussion about Microsoft, I will make economic or political 
> statements that aren't 100% valid in every possible imaginable case. But 
> guess what? They'll be 100% valid for the case we're discussing.
> 
> And you can watch all the replies about how my statement isn't true in 
> every possible case. Well, guess what? I only care about one case.

But I was told recently that the broader discussion is exactly was 
Usenet if for.  ;)

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Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ

2005-10-25 Thread entropy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:54:13 +, John Wingate wrote:
> 
> > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> That would be a good guess, except that Microsoft's predatory and illegal
> >> behaviour began long before OS/2 was even planned. It began in the mid
> >> 1970s, with MS DOS.
> > 
> > Nitpick: MS-DOS first appeared in 1981.
> 
> [slaps head]
> 
> Of course it did.

The first thing I ever bought of Microsoft's, in 1982 or so, was a 
CP/M board for my Apple IIe.

CP/M, whose programmers to this day defend sticking with 8-bit CPUs 
because 'they can't find a 4-bit chip they like'.  Yeah, there's some 
desktop innovation for you.

OS/2 1.0 was released in 1987, but the "selling" of it started in 
1985 or so by IBM and Microsoft.  It was a 286 OS.  

IBM seems to have had a history of squeezing out competition in the 
same way Microsoft has, if I recall correctly.



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