Re: syntax color lang source code in blogs or website
Cliff MacGillivray wrote: > Xah Lee wrote: >> For those of you using emacs, here's the elisp code that allows you >> to syntax color computer language source code in your blog or >> website. >> >> http:/ >> >> to comment, here: >> http://... > Xah, > Very nice! > If nothing else you seem to be a pretty clever programmer. > Indeed, you seem to understand more theoretical aspects than > most simple minded software developers. > I am not sure why you live out of your car? > Has that situation changed at all? Are you working right now? Please don't encourage this guy. He posts to groups purely to try and tell everyone how smart he thinks he is (regardless of how wrong he usually is), and argues and uses vulgar language to anyone that asks him to stop posting in non relevent news groups. He seems to have selected the Python and Perl groups to regularly post to, even when his posts rarely to never have any relation to said groups. Please, do not encourage his behavior. Thanks. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Function Application is not Currying
Russ P. wrote: > On Jan 28, 1:32Â pm, Xah Lee wrote: >> Function Application is not Currying >> >> Xah Lee, 2009-01-28 >> >> In Jon Harrop's book Ocaml for Scientist >> athttp://www.../chapter1.html >> >> It says: >> >> Currying >> >> A curried function is a function which returns a function as its >> result. >> >> LOL. That is incorrect. > > What does that have to do with the price of bananas in Costa Rica? Xah Lee does this stuff in 4 or 5 groups he's decided to post random things to. They rarely have any relevance or substance, just his personal thoughts. He liked to provoke arguing and tell everyone he's a genius in his own mind. It's best to just filter his posts out like most of us have already done. I don't know what group you're seeing his post in, but he bugs us in the Perl group all the time, cross posting things that have nothing to do with Perl (same with his cross posts to Python, too). :-) -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Function Application is not Currying
Jon Harrop wrote: > I had hoped someone else would correct you but they haven't. So... The lack of replies aren't about anyone correcting him or not, it's that the guy just posts anything he can to spamvertize his site and tell everyone how brilliant he thinks he is. It's just a method he uses to try and feel important and also get people to his site (and for the search engines to rank it higher). He's a known troll and spammer in a lot of groups due to this. The guy rarely has anything relevant to the groups he posts to. Most people I know of have come to just filter out his posts. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Why not Ruby?
Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: > This is not a Ruby group. > I recommend you to go waste your time there. That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple, irrelevant news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's best to just filter the guy's posts. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Why not Ruby?
Richard Riley wrote: > > Tim Greer writes: > >> Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: >> >>> This is not a Ruby group. >>> I recommend you to go waste your time there. >> >> That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple, >> irrelevant news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's best >> to just filter the guy's posts. > > No rhyme nor reason? It's quite clear, to me, why. > > How is a comparison article not relevant when he is trying to > stimulate discussion about alternative languages for modern > development? Most news readers feature a kill thread command if you > are not interested in the content. Certainly less extreme or ignorant > than killing all posts from someone who clearly has interesting things > to say about development practises and tools. Don't get so wound up because people in groups he cross posts this junk to actually don't want to see it. This poster is hardly interesting or offering anything intelligent. This poster has a history of posting things that he is personally interested in arguing about, and posting it in groups that are not about the languages he chooses to complain about. There is no rhyme or reason to post in the Perl news group, for example, if you're complaining about Ruby. This is not even close to the first time this has happened, much like his relentless posts about Mathematica (again, cross posted to several groups, including Perl). This user has a specific bias and is trolling to get a rise out of people by picking random languages and trying to cut them down, claiming *his* opinions (based on lack of insights, ironically) are superior. He does this often, and always cross posts to several groups that are completely irrelevant to his argument. The fact you actually buy into this nonsense, actually doesn't make anyone else wrong or ignorant for not agreeing with him, or falling for it. In fact, it means exactly the opposite. If he had something actually interesting and/or relevant, then his rants would be more tolerated by users of these groups. However, since he offers none of those aspects, this is why you see people voice their grievances. Look at this in its basic element, if you don't believe what people say -- this user didn't post the topic in the most revelant group (being the ruby group), and each time he goes off on another misguided tangent, several people prove him wrong, and it doesn't phase him or change anything -- he just continues to cross post. Like I said, if you think he's interesting, fine. However, many people don't. Perhaps as you learn more about programming, development and specific tools and practices, you'll come to realize this fact as well. In the meantime, the irony is probably lost when you actually believe he is offering something of substance, interest or that people whom know better are somehow ignorant. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Why not Ruby?
Richard Riley wrote: > Jason Rumney writes: > >> On Jan 1, 3:12Â pm, r wrote: >> >>> The man lives in a world driven by common sense >> >> "Common" sense suggests that his views are shared among the general >> populace. I don't see much evidence of that in the sometimes never- >> ending threads that frequently follow his postings. But it is good to >> start debates about making changes to the status quo, often the >> debates will result in worthwhile changes, even if those changes are >> not what he proposed. I just wish he would choose his venue a little >> more carefully sometimes. > > I find that with Xah's posts people argue the man and not his > points. And they argue the man because he refuses to be brow beaten by > those who do not like to be criticised or are too think skinned. I > rarely find his posts controversial but always interesting. His ELisp > tutorial is far and away better than anything else out there for the > programmer moving to Elisp IMO. He backs up his points with reasons > and supportive evidence and rarely with "because I'm experienced and > thats the way it is" - something not every one takes the time to do. > He is clearly intelligent, thoughtful and experienced if a little > lacking in finesse at times. The world needs more Xah lees. > You say he's intelligent and interesting, others see it as the opposite. If you want to read his rants, by all means. However, there have been many, many posts there this poster was proven wrong. That is when the poster become more belligerent, off topic, and vulgar. That is not the actions of an intelligent person that's staying on topic or providing anything interesting. The only thing I find interesting, is two anonymous posters from gmail.com rushing to his defense, especially in light of the fact that few people share your version of this person's talents. I'm not trying to be mean, but the guy is what people call a usenet troll. By all means, be his fan, but don't encourage his cross posting trolling as a means to provoke interesting, intelligent debating (because he's not and it's absolutely not his intention). Believe what you want, though, and I'll believe what I know. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Why not Ruby?
Richard Riley wrote: > Tim Greer writes: > >> Richard Riley wrote: >> >>> >>> Tim Greer writes: >>> >>>> Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is not a Ruby group. >>>>> I recommend you to go waste your time there. >>>> >>>> That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple, >>>> irrelevant news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's >>>> best to just filter the guy's posts. >>> >>> No rhyme nor reason? It's quite clear, to me, why. >>> >>> How is a comparison article not relevant when he is trying to >>> stimulate discussion about alternative languages for modern >>> development? Most news readers feature a kill thread command if you >>> are not interested in the content. Certainly less extreme or >>> ignorant than killing all posts from someone who clearly has >>> interesting things to say about development practises and tools. >> >> Don't get so wound up because people in groups he cross posts this >> junk > > > Wound up? Yes, I'd say that accusing people of bring ignorant and attacking them for not sharing your view on the irrelevant cross posting and trolling of the Xah poster, is indeed an indication that you appear to be wound up. Perhaps you've not seen the posts and threads he's made that I've seen? Perhaps I've not seen the one's you have? Either way, the one's I have, have all been either self serving garbage about his own personal feelings that he attempts to covey as fact with his overbearing arrogance, or it's simply to attack others for not sharing his view. I find that ironic. He attacks others, acting belligerent, and you attack those that simply say he's better ignored. > I am not wound up in any shape or form. Then convey that in your attitude when replying to others you don't know anything about, and try and be civil and not accuse people you don't know. > I am suggesting the > opposite. Suggesting it by doing exactly what you're saying people should not do? > It seems you are the one a little wound up. Nope, I responded to your attempts to provoke an issue, when you accused myself and others of being "ignorant" for not sharing your view regarding the Xah poster. > So wound up in > fact you are taking it on yourself to tell people who they should or > should not read. A suggestion is not an instruction or demand. You listed reasons why you believed those that didn't agree with you were wrong and ignorant, and I listed reasons in response to your claim to dispute it. >> to actually don't want to see it. This poster is hardly interesting >> or >> offering anything intelligent. This poster has a history of posting >> things that he is personally interested in arguing about, and posting >> it in groups that are not about the languages he chooses to complain >> about. There is no rhyme or reason to post in the Perl news group, >> for > > You dont seem to think that a comparison article is relevant in the > groups dedicated to the languages he compares too? No. Not when it's just his own feelings about the languages. A lot of people have their personal feelings about various languages, imagine all of the pollution we'd see if everyone was as arrogant as this guy, all posting their views as if they are the authority on the matter? Again, going by that deduction, what do you suppose explains his failure to consider posting this in the ruby group itself, since that is the primary (and actually, only) relevant group (dismissing his personal views)? > OK. I do. If you do, that's fine. However, many people in the Perl group, which I'm seeing this thread, have voiced their issues with this poster's relentless postings of this nature. I did as well, in this new thread. > You are, > of course, welcome to your opinion and I certainly would not tell you > who to read or not read. I can appreciate that, and I didn't tell you to do anything though, now did I? > I would suggest that not everyone woul agree > with you and that telling people who to killfile is not at all > constructive. Of course I don't expect everyone to agree with me. The poster that replied displayed annoyance at seeing the off topic, self serving and trollish post that this Xah poster is known for (at least in this group), and in response to *that*, I had suggested they don't take him seriously, and this is "what he does" (in my experience). There's no reason to read more into it and start claiming people are ignorant for not agreeing with you. And, I
Re: Why not Ruby?
Don Geddis wrote: > Richard Riley wrote on Thu, 01 Jan 2009: >> Tim Greer writes: >>> That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple, >>> irrelevant >>> news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it. >> >> No rhyme nor reason? It's quite clear, to me, why. How is a >> comparison article not relevant when he is trying to stimulate >> discussion about alternative languages for modern development? > > Sometimes crossposting can be useful. But you ought to at least be > aware of some of the possible drawbacks, e.g. expressed here: > http://www.nhplace.com/kent/PFAQ/cross-posting.html > > In particular, the usual hope by the poster is that the content is > relevant to the union of people in the different groups, but the > actual experience is that it is often relevant only to the > intersection of such people. > > And, moreover, that a long cross-posted thread on controversial topics > often winds up with people talking at cross-purposes past each other, > because they don't share enough common values to have a useful > conversation. > > In particular, the poster that started this thread is well known for > adding far more noise than signal to any discussion, and for showing > no interest in the greater good of any of the communities, but only in > his own glorification. > > You labor under the delusion that there is at least good intent here, > and the > poster ought to receive the benefit of the doubt. Long prior > experience shows that this hope is misplaced. > > -- Don Thank you, Don, for outlining the issue far more eloquently than I was able to. Also, to be clear, I don't think anyone's upset that people find his posts interesting, but it doesn't make it so for everyone else (or assign them any ailment if they don't see it that way) -- especially in regard to the other groups he cross posts to (of which one should have specifically been the ruby group, but I digress.) -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: ANN: Dao, the official 1.0 version is released
Limin Fu wrote: > Hi, > > This is to announce the first official release of Dao. > > Dao is a simple yet powerful object-oriented programming language So, you pimp your language in news groups for other languages? I see your off topic post in 3 language groups I frequent, that's not the way to get interest in your language. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: ANN: Dao, the official 1.0 version is released
Limin Fu wrote: > To Tim Greer and others: > > Some people may think this kind of announcement are off topic in a > group for another language. This is not exactly true. This is still > about programming, there are so many programmers out there, who knows > if there would be somebody interested in a new language. This > announcement does not mean to threaten any language, I don't even > think it is somewhere close to that. So take it easy. I don't see it as a threat at all (I'm not sure how you read that from what I said), and I honestly don't care that much, but it seems pretty odd to post about a completely different language in groups that have no relation. Imagine people posting announcements about languages, modules, extensions, etc in other language groups as they happened, we'd see 1/2 the group's posts containing that sort of information. You posted in the Python, Perl and Ruby groups, and it just seemed (was) inappropriate and not a good way to get people interested (it can be a turn off to see what could be considered spam). Just because it's another language doesn't make it on topic. There are over a hundred of them out there, and even more derivatives and it's just not usually appreciated (though I don't pretend to speak for anyone else, but it's a pretty accurate observation). I don't assume ill intent by you, but it was questionable about why. Anyway, it's not a knock on the language, I just don't think the Perl, Ruby or Python groups are relevant (but maybe some people will find it interesting and be glad you did -- of course, that could be said of any post about anything). -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ban Xah Lee
Xah Lee wrote: > Of interest: Unintesting stuff snipped. Perhaps it's the irrelevant, off topic posts you continue to make to groups that have nothing to do with your self gratifying rants? We get it, you think you're smarter than anyone else and that's the reason for you posting and arguing with people. That is why people probably kill filed you (there's no "ban" feature for usenet itself). I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're not as important as you like to think yourself. Into the killfile you go. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ban Xah Lee
Steve Sobol wrote: > > On 2009-03-09, Kenneth Tilton wrote: > >> Buddha taught that the universe is ineluctably a single >> interconnected web of cause and effect, which is my haughty preamble >> to this observation: it depends on the newsgroup. >> >> comp.lang.lisp is cool so here Xah participates as a normal >> contributor. > > That's great, but he trolls like crazy here > (comp.lang.java.programmer). > > > Hi hits us at comp.lang.perl.misc and comp.lang.python, too (with off topic posts). He's just a weirdo that thinks he's incredibly important and interesting, and just ignores people's requests for him to stop cross posting. In the end, I've seen worse posters than Xah Lee, but he's in my killfile. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ban Xah Lee
Christian wrote: > Though I think you are misusing the > Usenet. For what you do you should rather write a weblog so people > interested in your monologues could follow them in a place where they > are by definition on topic. I would agree that is the issue in Xah Lee's case as well. I don't know that he realizes he's posting in off topic groups in what seems nothing more than self gratification, but perhaps he's just confused and doesn't realize that usenet is not the place to just randomly post a thought or challenge about a topic (especially in irrelevant groups to his ranting) and linking to his site and not usually following up to his own posts (like a poor form of self promotion of his articles). I agree, I think he might just be confused and needs to consider setting up a blog about his feelings and whatnot, and he needs to understand that it's not appropriate to do it on usenet. Problem is, I don't think he's just confused altogether, but he'll probably ignore the entire topic he started anyway and continue doing what he's doing (he seems to think the lisc, perl, python, java and ruby groups are his personal blog medium, so all of his thoughts and feelings are continually posted in places they don't belong -- and he doesn't care). -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which Lisp to Learn?
Michael Austin wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> Xah Lee wrote: >>> For those of you imperative programers who kept on hearing about >>> lisp and is tempted to learn, then, ... >> >> You: >> * consider yourself unfairly treated by various communities >> * post a long drivel about various Lisp flavors to newsgroups >> that are not in any way Lisp related >> ? >> >> There seems to be a disconnect somewhere. >> >> Arne > > Hey Arne - like he even knows what LISP is... ;) I've not paid any attention to most of his posts, but I'd sure like to know what crazy thing this guy is taking to believe that a his personal feelings and post about lisp has any relation to groups I see this nonsense in. So, I'm not shocked to learn people question his lisp skills anyway (he sure doesn't seem to know much about Perl or Python and he posts a lisp post to these groups? Sounds like he indeed doesn't know what LISP is). -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ban Xah Lee
Xah Lee wrote: > Christian wrote: > > On Mar 9, 1:22 pm, Christian wrote: >> XahLeeschrieb:> Of interest: >> >> > ⢠Why Can't You Be Normal? >> > http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/why_cant_you_be_normal.html >> >> IMHO the point that you never reply to responds is what makes it >> problematic. >> I have seen 10 or more threads started by you and in not a single >> one of those I have seen any sort of second post by you. >> >> Also the other thing that makes you appear like a troll is that the >> only posts where you are visible on the usenet are your own! >> >> Usenet is there for discussion. What you do seems to be mostly doing >> a >> often highly intelligent monologue and awaiting comment on it. >> >> Its not the purpose of Usenet. Simply calling you a troll is wrong. >> You are after all better than that. Though I think you are misusing >> the Usenet. For what you do you should rather write a weblog so >> people interested in your monologues could follow them in a place >> where they are by definition on topic. >> >> Christian > > In the article you quoted: > http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/ugh Apparently my usenet filter is broken. > contains this passage: > > « ... > » > > if you didn't start your message with âIMHOâ, which indicated to me > that at least you are sincere, i would not have replied. (no offense > intended) Btw, i'm not some kind of saint. You (guys) do whatever > chatty style you want, i write or choose to reply in my abstruse & > ascetic manners. Just don't accuse when my style is not compatible > your drivels. (insult intentional) Actually, people take issue with you posting to groups that hold no relevance to your posts, especially when you post about your personal issues and problems that don't relate to any single group. > I have written quite a lot on netiquette issues in the past decade. But you don't follow them? > You can find many answers about my reasons or posting behavior here: > > ⢠Netiquette Anthropology > http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/troll.html I don't care for your reasons or behavior, but that you've been repeatedly asked not to post your feelings about LISP in the Python, Perl, and Ruby groups. > Recently i started a blog that is collection of my online posts. So, use that instead of posting to random, off topic groups on usenet. > If > you need to talk about me, feel free to comment there. You post here, I reply to you here. > I am more > likely to reply there for questions pertaining just me. The url is > here: Irrevant to your posting here without relevance. I have no desire to talk to you and say anything else. So, can you stop cross posting to the same 5 groups every time you post something, unless it's actually relevant to the group? > > If anyone likes me to give answers particular to this thread, or > desire me to reply to all the messages directed to me in this thread, > i'll be more than happy to do so. Just please stop posting to groups that hold no relevance, as if they are your personal blog. Usenet is not a blog. > Also, thanks to many supporters over the past years. I'm sure. > Truly Your Superior, I'd think anyone superior to me would understand how to use usenet properly. I'm being genuine and sincere, when I say that I'd like to ask that you stop cross posting to irrelevant groups. Thanks for your consideration. -- Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc. Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers. Industry's most experienced staff! -- Web Hosting With Muscle! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
