Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In comp.os.linux.misc Jeroen Wenting > wrote: >> Without Microsoft 90% of us would never have seen a computer more powerful >> than a ZX-81 and 90% of the rest of us would never have used only dumb >> mainframe terminals. > Uh - when microsoft produced dos 1.0, or whatever it was, I was sitting > at my Sun 360 workstation (with 4M of RAM, later upgraded to 8M), > running SunOS 3.8 or thereabouts. > And a mean game of tetris it played too. Chess wasn't worth the > humiliation at level 5. > I believe every researcher in britain got one as a matter of course, but > they only replaced the perq machines that everyone had had to put up > with before then. The vaxen running hpux or so were plentiful too, and > had fine monitors, tending more to the PC shape. We'd made our own word > processor machines and spreadsheet automatons before that. It didn't > take that many components, just a good engineer and a room full of > lackeys with soddering irons. The BBC were selling kits too (what were > they? Ataris?), not that I ever fell for that. Yep, Atari 400/800, Atari ST/etc, Commodore VC20/C64, there were quite some systems much more stable/powerful then anything M$ had to offer. > Maybe five years earlier I'd designed and built my own computer from > scratch using the MC 6802 chip as processor. Somebody really should > have told me about assembler - I wrote in machine code, flashing the > code into prom with a 100ms pulse from a 16V battery. Goodness knows > how much memory I had ... maybe a few KB. > I think the Suns were abut $3 each when they first appeared, but > prices dropped rapidly so that after maybe three years the standard > price was about $8000. PCs had appeared and came in at about $4000, if I > recall right, so there was a price differential but it wasn't huge, > especially when a Sun could support a whole research team via vt100 > lines, and a PC was a one-person job, thanks to the o/s. The only thing positive about M$ entering the market, probably due to their ineffective programming style they pushed Intel into producing pretty fast while cheapo CPUs. Ironically exactly this is the key to Linux/*BSD success in the unix server market. ;) -- Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' #bofh excuse 387: Your computer's union contract is set to expire at midnight. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.os.linux.misc John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The only thing positive about M$ entering the market, probably >> due to their ineffective programming style they pushed Intel into >> producing pretty fast while cheapo CPUs. > Amazing, I thought Xah Lee was the only one able to fit so much BS in one > sentence. You them to have a talent to piss-off people with just a single terse contribution. ;-) >> Ironically exactly this >> is the key to Linux/*BSD success in the unix server market. ;) > Yeah, right. Good riddance! -- Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' #bofh excuse 146: Communications satellite used by the military for star wars. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In comp.os.linux.misc John Wingate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> In comp.os.linux.misc Jeroen Wenting >>> wrote: [..] >> Sun Microsystems was incorporated (with four employees) in February 1982. >> There never was a SunOS 3.8. (SunOS 3.5 was succeeded by 4.0.) And I'm > It seems to me that I was using 3.x. Maybe it was 3.1? I seem to > remember an earlier major ... was there a 2.8 or 2.9? Looks like SunOS 1.0 came out February 1982, according to: http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#05 Kudos to the one who did the work! -- Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' #bofh excuse 44: bank holiday - system operating credits not recharged^ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.os.linux.misc John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In comp.os.linux.misc John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>> The only thing positive about M$ entering the market, probably >>>> due to their ineffective programming style they pushed Intel into >>>> producing pretty fast while cheapo CPUs. >> >>> Amazing, I thought Xah Lee was the only one able to fit so much BS in >>> one sentence. >> >> You them to have a talent to piss-off people with just a single >> terse contribution. ;-) > Only if their contribution is utter BS and I point this out. Dunno what's so BS about the possibility that the wintel mafia works hand in hand, M$ introduces a new OS and Intel faster CPU. People need to use the first, luckily both come bundled with the latest PC people just need to buy right now. Iirc this is called marketing, you don't seem to have much clue about. BTW Thx for reminding me to actually kill-file you. PLONK -- Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' #bofh excuse 183: filesystem not big enough for Jumbo Kernel Patch -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.os.linux.misc Matt Garrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Michael Heiming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [..] >> Dunno what's so BS about the possibility that the wintel mafia >> works hand in hand, M$ introduces a new OS and Intel faster CPU. > Your presumption that poor coding has anything to do with CPU development is > absurd. There may be times that M$ has to wait on faster chips before > pushing new technologies or Intel has to wait on M$ before pushing new chips > (like their 64bit chips that probably won't be get over-hyped until the next > iteration of Winblows rolls around), but that's hardly evidence of the two > working hand-in-hand. Doesn't really matter who is providing faster something that'll need or provide more power, the other will catch up soon, just to keep the game going. >> People need to use the first, luckily both come bundled with the >> latest PC people just need to buy right now. Iirc this is called >> marketing, you don't seem to have much clue about. >> > Er, that's not called marketing but a software/hardware bundle. Marketing > would be the propaganda that tries to convince you that you need both. When > you have no option that's not marketing but a monopoly, which sort of brings > this all full-circle... Ops, sorry. Having no option is M$ marketing (monopoly) for the usual user. Glad to see you got my point. ;-) -- Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' #bofh excuse 71: The file system is full of it -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.os.linux.misc Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:49:58 +0200, Jeroen Wenting wrote: >> My point is that Microsoft made computers that were more than glorified >> gaming consoles affordable for the common man. > Microsoft has never made a computer in its existence. Not one. They are a One should be lucky. > software company. The only hardware they sell are keyboards and mice. >> They are the ones who lowered the price of shrinkwrapped software for home >> and office application from thousands or tens of thousands to hundreds of >> dollars. > Yeah, if you ignore Apple, Wordperfect, Adobe, Aldus, Wordstar, and dozens > of other software suppliers. > Is it possible for you to get your arguments even more wrong? What's next? > Microsoft invented the transistor? Let's not forget about the Internet, they invented together with Al Gore and of course the wheel! Honestly, for anyone serious, there are "The Halloween Documents", which should give enough information about FUD... http://www.opensource.org/halloween/ At least, a nice troll bait the OP launched, even if obvious enough, extensive cross-posting and "Microsoft" right in the subject. ;-) -- Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' #bofh excuse 390: Increased sunspot activity. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In comp.os.linux.misc Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> John Wingate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake unto us, saying: >>>Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> It seems to me that I was using 3.x. Maybe it was 3.1? I seem to >>>> remember an earlier major ... was there a 2.8 or 2.9? >>> >>>Dunno. The first version I used was 3.4, in 1987. >> MS-DOS 3.3 was the most popular DOS release back in 1987/1988. I don't >> recall there ever being a 3.4 release, though. > We were talking sunOS. At least I was! Sure, but someone mentioned doze, so people can jump onto the bandwagon. ;-) Honestly, even in colm it gets difficult to find a thread not mentioning doze in one or another way. Linux desktop market share seems to raise, slow but continuously. Unimportant if someone likes it or not, it just happens. -- Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' #bofh excuse 8: static buildup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
