date:20200819

My origins are Jewish Algerian which is just hated by just all parties
you could think off, but can not be considered as white.

Nonetheless, I'm not angry in any way, rather amused, but still, I
don't understand how this sentence (changed by the patch):

> When writing English, follow Strunk and White.

Does "uphold relics of white supremacy" (as per the commit message).

Does that mean that English teachers uphold "relics of white
supremacy" when they ask to "follow Strunk and White" ?

Because from a Zététique point of view this looks like basic conspiracy theory.

Thanks in advance for your simple explanation (I'm not a native
english speaker).
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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:33 AM Tim Daneliuk  wrote:
>
> I would also like to help you become educated.  Be sure to check
> out these literary treasures - they are the foundation of the
> worldview you are espousing:
>
>
> The_Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State - Engels
>
> Das Kapital - Marx
>
> On Guerrilla Warfare - Mao
>

FYI, these are studied in the first year "General knowledge" course of
the political science curriculum in France and are really hard to take
seriously nowadays. They are just filled with contradictions that have
been disproven literally thousands of times, just reading the text
you'll see that it can't even hold up to its own promises even in
theory.

That said, I think you are going to have hard times demonstrating how
these are the foundations of the worldview in question to people who
haven't followed a serious polsci curriculum, we're mostly engineers
here, we pay taxes that pay politicians with actual polsci curriculum
to take care of this debates, I don't want to be forced to stand up
against the demagogy here, extremes just feed one another, and this
commit message operation is clearly pushing people to express their
disagreement in the booth by voting right (not alt-right, not
far-right, just right).

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages


On 8/19/20 2:55 AM, J. Pic wrote:


[...] but still, I
don't understand how this sentence (changed by the patch):


When writing English, follow Strunk and White.


Does "uphold relics of white supremacy" (as per the commit message).

Thanks in advance for your simple explanation (I'm not a native
english speaker).


The purported issue is that Strunk and White itself is doing the upholding.

For example, on a slightly different topic, earlier versions of S&W were 
sexist: the examples of men used positive words, while the examples of 
women used negative and subservient words.


I have not read S&W myself, and my requests for WS examples have gone 
unanswered, so I do not know about the WS aspect.


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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

2020-08-19 Thread Alexandre Brault

On 2020-08-18 7:34 p.m., [email protected] wrote:

There are many reasons Elements is a terrible English style guide:
https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/files/8520953/PULLUM_2010_The_land_of_the_free_and_the_elements_of_style.pdf

I would kindly recommend that folks just educate themselves on what
white supremacy is & how it continues in both subtle & overt ways to
this day. Sadly, getting extremely upset after being exposed to the
accurate term white supremacy is a symptom of what's called 'white
fragility' by psychologists who study the social pathologies of racism &
its long-lasting, inter-generational impacts on society.

You need serious help with processing your anger if you look at
everything that's happening in the world & bubble in anger over a commit
message that is simply acknowledging a social ill. One of countless
many. I do hope you get the help you need.

I would also caution against relying on the idea of human rights when
defending against accusations of being political, since they too are
political. Life is political. We continue to this day trying to
redefine, as a society, what human rights are, & who is considered to
deserve them. That process is politics.

Some people think that being called white is racist. Other people think
that having their land & children stolen because of their race & being
forced to write in the language of their captors is racist. One group is
deflecting blame for the worst atrocities in history, the other is
acknowledging a real problem & seeking accountability in everyday life.

Resources:
A People's History of the United States:
https://mvlindsey.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/peoples-history-zinn-1980.pdf
The Invention of the White Race: Volume II:
http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/Invention-White-Race-Vol2-Allen.pdf

I've not seen anyone objecting to the idea of removing the reference to
Strunk and White in favour of the underlying message of "be
understandable by others who may read your comments" (there were at most
a few philosophical "what is understandable") . In fact, that is how the
topic was initially presented.

What people *are* complaining about is the use of a commit message to
stand on a soapbox and preach. The time to preach was when debating the
change; commit messages, in many people's opinions, is not the time to
espouse non-technical opinions

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages


On 8/19/20 6:35 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote:

What people *are* complaining about is the use of a commit message to 
stand on a soapbox and preach. The time to preach was when debating the 
change; commit messages, in many people's opinions, is not the time to 
espouse non-technical opinions


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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:06 PM Ethan Furman  wrote:
> The purported issue is that Strunk and White itself is doing the upholding.

Still trying to find some actual evidence.

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/19/20 8:35 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote:
> I've not seen anyone objecting to the idea of removing the reference to 
> Strunk and White in favour of the underlying message of "be understandable by 
> others who may read your comments" (there were at most a few philosophical 
> "what is understandable") . In fact, that is how the topic was initially 
> presented.
> 
> What people *are* complaining about is the use of a commit message to stand 
> on a soapbox and preach. The time to preach was when debating the change; 
> commit messages, in many people's opinions, is not the time to espouse 
> non-technical opinions

I would argue that these highly polarizing political discussions never have
a place at any point in the lifecycle of technology improvement.  Once you
open this door in any way, no end of mischief ensues.

You already see this in this very thread.  People are determined to flog
their particular political theory, virtue signal, and generally misappropriate
a technical forum to their own ends.

The right answer here is: No politics, no social commentary, no demands for
redress of perceived historical inequities ... none of that.  The sole relevant
demand should be civility.
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Re: LittleRookie

2020-08-19 Thread Ian Hill

You can access Dr.Chuck's Python for Everybody course here
https://www.py4e.com/

or you need to be on the audit track on Coursera.

R.

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Re: LittleRookie

2020-08-19 Thread Igor Korot

Dennis,

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:26 AM Dennis Lee Bieber
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:23:28 +, [email protected] (Jamelaumn)
> declaimed the following:
>
> >i would say i'm new at programing i have a year of experience in python(but 
> >i'm tottaly a noob) i guess i'm starting to learn SQL now.What should i do 
> >to learn better and faster?
>
> You've had lots of answers, but there is one concept that seems to 
> have
> not been mentioned.
>
> SQL is a (relational) database QUERY language -- but knowing SQL does
> not mean you can design a relational database structure. For design, you
> should be familiar with at least 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Normal Forms
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization
> https://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/ehchua/programming/sql/Relational_Database_Design.html

And the best way to LEARN is to go to school to understand the concept
and get real-life training and not to read Wikipedia articles.

Thank you.

>
>
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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/18/20 12:18 PM, gia wrote:
>  That's why I picked Math, it is also universally accepted, it's very
> strict, and it leaves the reader to decide its color based on themselves
> (it's not white btw :)


Sorry, but when it comes to the demands of the woke, you are not
immune.  Reported widely earlier this month, seen here most recently:


https://thejewishvoice.com/2020/08/brooklyn-college-education-prof-claims-math-is-white-supremacist-patriarchy/
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Python Pandas split Date in day month year and hour

2020-08-19 Thread J Conrado




Hi,


I'm satarting using Pandas to read excel. I have a meteorological 
synoptic data and I have for date:



0   2017-11-01 00:00:00
1   2017-11-01 03:00:00
2   2017-11-01 06:00:00
3   2017-11-01 09:00:00
4   2017-11-01 12:00:00
..  ...
229 2017-11-30 09:00:00
230 2017-11-30 12:00:00
231 2017-11-30 15:00:00
232 2017-11-30 18:00:00
233 2017-11-30 21:00:00


I would like know how can I get for this array the values for day, month 
and hour:


2017-11-01 03:00:00   year = 2017  month = 11    day = 1    and 
   hour = 3




Thanks,


Conrado

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Re: LittleRookie

2020-08-19 Thread Chris Angelico

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:11 AM Igor Korot  wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:26 AM Dennis Lee Bieber
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:23:28 +, [email protected] (Jamelaumn)
> > declaimed the following:
> >
> > >i would say i'm new at programing i have a year of experience in 
> > >python(but i'm tottaly a noob) i guess i'm starting to learn SQL now.What 
> > >should i do to learn better and faster?
> >
> > You've had lots of answers, but there is one concept that seems to 
> > have
> > not been mentioned.
> >
> > SQL is a (relational) database QUERY language -- but knowing SQL 
> > does
> > not mean you can design a relational database structure. For design, you
> > should be familiar with at least 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Normal Forms
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization
> > https://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/ehchua/programming/sql/Relational_Database_Design.html
>
> And the best way to LEARN is to go to school ...

You can't learn at home? That's a great pity, given that that's how I
learned basically everything I know about programming.

If you're sufficiently motivated, you don't need a
school/university/college. You just need the reference material,
tutorials, guides, that sort of thing.

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Re: Python Pandas split Date in day month year and hour

2020-08-19 Thread Brian Oney via Python-list



On August 19, 2020 7:32:45 PM GMT+02:00, J Conrado  
wrote:
>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>I'm satarting using Pandas to read excel. I have a meteorological 
>synoptic data and I have for date:
>
>
>0   2017-11-01 00:00:00
>1   2017-11-01 03:00:00
>2   2017-11-01 06:00:00
>3   2017-11-01 09:00:00
>4   2017-11-01 12:00:00
>..  ...
>229 2017-11-30 09:00:00
>230 2017-11-30 12:00:00
>231 2017-11-30 15:00:00
>232 2017-11-30 18:00:00
>233 2017-11-30 21:00:00
>
>
>I would like know how can I get for this array the values for day, month 
>and hour:
>
>2017-11-01 03:00:00   year = 2017  month = 11    day = 1    and 
>    hour = 3
>
From the hip, I would use the strptime function (in the time module?)

time.strptime(string_value, '%F %T')

If I recall correctly, the doc for the specific strings is in the strptime 
function's doc.

This is just a starting point. Good luck! 

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

Tim, don't you also think that statements should be backed by
evidence, even more if they are particularly accusatory ?

We'll be lucky if S&W's editor doesn't sue the PSF for slandering for
publishing that S&W "upholds white supremacy".
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Re: LittleRookie

2020-08-19 Thread Igor Korot

Hi, Chris,

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chris Angelico  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:11 AM Igor Korot  wrote:
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:26 AM Dennis Lee Bieber
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:23:28 +, [email protected] (Jamelaumn)
> > > declaimed the following:
> > >
> > > >i would say i'm new at programing i have a year of experience in 
> > > >python(but i'm tottaly a noob) i guess i'm starting to learn SQL 
> > > >now.What should i do to learn better and faster?
> > >
> > > You've had lots of answers, but there is one concept that seems 
> > > to have
> > > not been mentioned.
> > >
> > > SQL is a (relational) database QUERY language -- but knowing SQL 
> > > does
> > > not mean you can design a relational database structure. For design, you
> > > should be familiar with at least 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Normal Forms
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization
> > > https://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/ehchua/programming/sql/Relational_Database_Design.html
> >
> > And the best way to LEARN is to go to school ...
>
> You can't learn at home? That's a great pity, given that that's how I
> learned basically everything I know about programming.
>
> If you're sufficiently motivated, you don't need a
> school/university/college. You just need the reference material,
> tutorials, guides, that sort of thing.

While I understand that people are different and all have their preferences
it is best to go to school to learn something (whether the school is online
or not - doesn't matter).
You will be ta;lking to teachers and peers, do the homework (which means
easy exercises) to prove that you learnt something and finally
acquire some connection which will help you along the way.

And what can you learn by reading the WiKi article mentioned
if you don't know how to use them properly (without practicing them)?

BTW, I'm also a self-taught developer, but I did it a long time ago in school
and there were people that helped me understand all those books
we had and I did some exercises.

Thank you.

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

2020-08-19 Thread Karen Shaeffer via Python-list

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Tim Daneliuk  wrote:
> 
> On 8/19/20 8:35 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote:
>> I've not seen anyone objecting to the idea of removing the reference to 
>> Strunk and White in favour of the underlying message of "be understandable 
>> by others who may read your comments" (there were at most a few 
>> philosophical "what is understandable") . In fact, that is how the topic was 
>> initially presented.
>> 
>> What people *are* complaining about is the use of a commit message to stand 
>> on a soapbox and preach. The time to preach was when debating the change; 
>> commit messages, in many people's opinions, is not the time to espouse 
>> non-technical opinions
> 
> I would argue that these highly polarizing political discussions never have
> a place at any point in the lifecycle of technology improvement.  Once you
> open this door in any way, no end of mischief ensues.
> 
> You already see this in this very thread.  People are determined to flog
> their particular political theory, virtue signal, and generally misappropriate
> a technical forum to their own ends.
> 
> The right answer here is: No politics, no social commentary, no demands for
> redress of perceived historical inequities ... none of that.  The sole 
> relevant
> demand should be civility.

I lurk on this list and rarely post. I tend to agree this thread should never 
have started here. IMHO, any discussion of this issue should have stayed on the 
platform where the issue arose.

But I must say with all due respect to you Tim, in this thread, you have 
repeatedly engaged in the precise behavior you are now complaining about. Even 
further, you have, IMHO, been condescending and even arrogant in presuming you 
alone have perfect knowledge on these matters:

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2020-August/898274.html 

Where you conclude with: "Methinks there is an ideological skunk in the parlor 
…”

Considering all your posts on this thread, it is reasonable to infer you have 
some ideological motivations.

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2020-August/898314.html 

Which appears to be relatively safe and harmless, but you could have easily 
found clear evidence that refutes your stated point of view. In particular, 
this peer reviewed published research from Stanford University establishes the 
fact that racism and bias are alive and well in the STEM fields:

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/117/17/9284.full.pdf 

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2020-August/898280.html 

Here you encourage folks to discriminate, as long as they make it “fun or 
biting” This is completely inconsistent with your complaint that I am 
responding to now.

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2020-August/898292.html 

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2020-August/898293.html 

Those two posts are condescending, and presume you alone have perfect knowledge 
— They also represent a classic bait and switch attempt.

IMHO, your contributions to this thread have been inflammatory and likely 
precipitated others to continue the escalation of these issues. I’m only 
pointing this out to put your current complaint to the moderators of this list 
into its proper perspective.

humbly,
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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:33 AM Tim Daneliuk  wrote:
> On 8/18/20 6:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > I would kindly recommend that folks just educate themselves on what
> > ...
> > Resources:
> >  The Invention of the White Race: Volume II:
> http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/Invention-White-Race-Vol2-Allen.pdf
>
> I would also like to help you become educated.  Be sure to check
> out these literary treasures - they are the foundation of the
> worldview you are espousing:
>
> The_Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State - Engels
> Das Kapital - Marx
> On Guerrilla Warfare - Mao

I stand corrected, the PDF of "The invention of white race" shared by
the OP *does* cite:

- Marx, page 9
- Mao, page 103
- Marx, Capital Vol I, page 807
- Marx and Engels, page 828
- Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Frederick
Engels, Selected Works in Two Volumes, page 851

And it goes on ...

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/19/20 2:00 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote:
> Where you conclude with: "Methinks there is an ideological skunk in the 
> parlor …”
> 
> Considering all your posts on this thread, it is reasonable to infer you have 
> some ideological motivations.

My motivation was to demonstrate that if people of your ilk are free to
peddle their worldview, it invites people of my worldview to join the party
and thereby wreak havoc.  The only way to solve this is: No politics, no 
culture,
no religion, or no sex. Period.  Ever.

Do take note that while I freely admit to having utter contempt for the
en courant culture and its various warriors, I also have been careful
to avoid flogging *my own* political/social view.  They don't belong
here.  Neither do yours.  Why don't we stick to discussing Python which
ought to not be infected by these subjects.

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/19/20 1:10 PM, J. Pic wrote:
> Tim, don't you also think that statements should be backed by
> evidence, even more if they are particularly accusatory ?
> 
> We'll be lucky if S&W's editor doesn't sue the PSF for slandering for
> publishing that S&W "upholds white supremacy".
> 

As a general matter, I agree: Claims should be supported by evidence.
But that's not the problem here.  The various cause crusaders are
attempting to insert themselves into every single discipline.  They
do this claiming their attacks as some kind of moral virtue and that
they are therefore above reproach or counterpoint.  It is natural
for people who disagree to punch back.

My real point in commenting at all was that we open this one-sided door
at our own peril. By allowing provocative commentary of the sort voice
in this godforsaken commit message, we absolutely invite others to the party.
Despite what the aforementioned cause crusaders think, they are not
unassailable, nor are they the only- or dominant voice in these matters.
Open this door and you get an absolute sewer of commentary
(from many sides of these issues).  Social media is full of many trenchant
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Re: Python Pandas split Date in day month year and hour

2020-08-19 Thread Skip Montanaro

> I would like know how can I get for this array the values for day, month
> and hour:
>
> 2017-11-01 03:00:00   year = 2017  month = 11day = 1and
> hour = 3

Pandas has a datetime type. You should probably be using it. It's been
awhile (a year at least), but if your datetime column is filled with
datetime types, you should be able to append columns to your DataFrame
which correspond to individual components of the datetime instances.
Don't be looking outside of Pandas to Python's time or datetime
module.

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages


On 8/19/20 12:40 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:

On 8/19/20 2:00 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote:



Considering all your posts on this thread, it is reasonable to infer you have 
some ideological motivations.


My motivation was to demonstrate that if people of your ilk are free to
peddle their worldview,


Unless you know Karen personally, you don't know what her world view is. 
 Poking holes in arguments or observing what is being said does not 
require an opposing world view.


As you yourself said:


The sole relevant
demand should be civility.


Let's make sure we stay that course.

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Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

2020-08-19 Thread Calvin Spealman

Tim,

Technology is political. Deal with it.

Signed,
Common Fucking Sense

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:02 PM Tim Daneliuk  wrote:

> On 8/19/20 1:10 PM, J. Pic wrote:
> > Tim, don't you also think that statements should be backed by
> > evidence, even more if they are particularly accusatory ?
> >
> > We'll be lucky if S&W's editor doesn't sue the PSF for slandering for
> > publishing that S&W "upholds white supremacy".
> >
>
> As a general matter, I agree: Claims should be supported by evidence.
> But that's not the problem here.  The various cause crusaders are
> attempting to insert themselves into every single discipline.  They
> do this claiming their attacks as some kind of moral virtue and that
> they are therefore above reproach or counterpoint.  It is natural
> for people who disagree to punch back.
>
> My real point in commenting at all was that we open this one-sided door
> at our own peril. By allowing provocative commentary of the sort voice
> in this godforsaken commit message, we absolutely invite others to the
> party.
> Despite what the aforementioned cause crusaders think, they are not
> unassailable, nor are they the only- or dominant voice in these matters.
> Open this door and you get an absolute sewer of commentary
> (from many sides of these issues).  Social media is full of many trenchant
> such examples.  Best to leave it there.
>
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