THRINAXODON BLOWS THE SMOKE HARD!
== >BREAKING NEWS == > The New York Times, Thrinaxodon, PhD === > According to U.S. dictator Obama, the U.S. has recently legalized weed to brainwash it's citizens. Millions of Americans hate the new move, they don't want OUR KIDS GROWING UP IN A WORLD RULLED BY WEED! Thrinaxodon was mad at the move, staying in New Zealand to get away from the shit, Thrinaxodon said, "My homeland America has legalized a drug! WTF? Obama has already done enough crimes against humanity, but brainwashing our Star Trek: Next Generation is now the new goal of the Obama regime? WTF?" > > Obama said, "I`m doing this for my people, fellow Americans by brainwashing our Star Trek: Next Generation for my BRAND NEW FEMA CAMPS!" > Thrinaxodon said, "Bullshit! Communist regimes are better than the Obama regime!" > Who knows what will happen to our sons and grandsons. > == EVIDENCE THAT HUMANS LIVED IN THE DEVONIAN: https://groups.google.com/group/sci.bio.paleontology/browse_thread/thread/6f501c469c7af24f# https://groups.google.com/group/sci.bio.paleontology/browse_thread/thread/3aad75c16afb0b82# http://thrinaxodon.wordpress.com/ === THRINAXODON ONLY HAD THIS TO SAY: "I..I...I...Can't believe it. This completely disproved Darwinian orthodoxy." === THE BASTARDS AT THE SMITHSONIAN, AND THE LEAKEY FOUNDATION ARE ERODING WITH FEAR. === THESE ASSHOLES ARE GOING TO DIE: THOMAS AQUINAS; ALDOUS HUXLEY; BOB CASANVOVA; SkyEyes; DAVID IAIN GRIEG; MARK ISAAK; JOHN HARSHAM; RICHARD NORMAN; DR. DOOLITTLE; CHARLES DARWIN; MARK HORTON; ERIK SIMPSON; HYPATIAB7; PAUL J. GANS; JILLERY; WIKI TRIK; THRINAXODON; PETER NYIKOS; RON OKIMOTO; JOHN S. WILKINS === THRINAXODON WAS SCOURING ANOTHER DEVONIAN FOSSIL BED, AND FOUND A HUMAN SKULL, AND A HUMAN FEMUR. HE ANALYSED THE FINDS, AND SAW THAT THEY WERE NOT NORMAL ROCKS. THESE WERE FOSSILIZED BONES. THEY EVEN HAD TOOTH MARKS ON THEM. SO, THRINAXODON BROUGHT THEM TO THE LEAKEY FOUNDATION, THEY UTTERLY DISMISSED IT, AND SAID, "We want to keep people thinking that humans evolved 2 Ma." THRINAXODON BROUGHT HIS SWORD, AND SAID, "SCIENCE CORRECTS ITSELF." RICHARD LEAKEY SAID, "That is a myth, for people to believe in science." THRINAXODON PLANS TO BRING DOOM TO SCIENCE, ITSELF. THRINAXODON IS NOW ON TWITTER. -- Thrinaxodon, The Ultimate Defender of USENET -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Trying to understand this moji-bake
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I have an unexpected display error when dealing with Unicode strings, and
> I cannot understand where the error is occurring. I suspect it's not
> actually a Python issue, but I thought I'd ask here to start.
I suppose it is a Python issue -- where Python fails to guess an encoding it
usually falls back to ascii.
> But using Python 2.7, I get a really bad case of moji-bake:
>
> [steve@ando ~]$ python2.7 -c "print u'ñøλπйж'"
> ñøλÏйж
>
>
> However, interactively it works fine:
>
> [steve@ando ~]$ python2.7 -E
> Python 2.7.2 (default, May 18 2012, 18:25:10)
> [GCC 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-52)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
print u'ñøλπйж'
> ñøλπйж
You can provoke it with exec:
>>> exec "print u'ñøλπйж'"
ñøλÏйж
>>> exec u"print u'ñøλπйж'"
ñøλπйж
>>> exec "# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-\nprint u'ñøλπйж'"
ñøλπйж
> This occurs on at least two different machines, one using Centos and the
> other Debian.
>
> Anyone have any idea what's going on? I can replicate the display error
> using Python 3 like this:
>
> py> s = 'ñøλπйж'
> py> print(s.encode('utf-8').decode('latin-1'))
> ñøλÏйж
>
> but I'm not sure why it's happening at the command line. Anyone have any
> ideas?
It is probably burried in the C code -- after a few indirections I lost
track :(
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Re: Trying to understand this moji-bake
Le samedi 25 janvier 2014 05:37:34 UTC+1, Steven D'Aprano a écrit :
> I have an unexpected display error when dealing with Unicode strings, and
>
> I cannot understand where the error is occurring. I suspect it's not
>
> actually a Python issue, but I thought I'd ask here to start.
>
>
>
> Using Python 3.3, if I print a unicode string from the command line, it
>
> displays correctly. I'm using the KDE 3.5 Konsole application, with the
>
> encoding set to the default (which ought to be UTF-8, I believe, although
>
> I'm not completely sure). This displays correctly:
>
>
>
> [steve@ando ~]$ python3.3 -c "print(u'ñøλπйж')"
>
> ñøλπйж
>
>
>
>
>
> Likewise for Python 3.2:
>
>
>
> [steve@ando ~]$ python3.2 -c "print('ñøλπйж')"
>
> ñøλπйж
>
>
>
>
>
> But using Python 2.7, I get a really bad case of moji-bake:
>
>
>
> [steve@ando ~]$ python2.7 -c "print u'ñøλπйж'"
>
> ñøλÏйж
>
>
>
>
>
> However, interactively it works fine:
>
>
>
> [steve@ando ~]$ python2.7 -E
>
> Python 2.7.2 (default, May 18 2012, 18:25:10)
>
> [GCC 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-52)] on linux2
>
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>
> >>> print u'ñøλπйж'
>
> ñøλπйж
>
>
>
>
>
> This occurs on at least two different machines, one using Centos and the
>
> other Debian.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any idea what's going on? I can replicate the display error
>
> using Python 3 like this:
>
>
>
> py> s = 'ñøλπйж'
>
> py> print(s.encode('utf-8').decode('latin-1'))
>
> ñøλÏйж
>
>
>
> but I'm not sure why it's happening at the command line. Anyone have any
>
> ideas?
>
>
>
The basic problem is neither Python, nor the system (OS), nor
the terminal, nor the GUI console. The basic problem is that
all these elements [*] are not "speaking" the same language.
The second problem lies in Python itsself. Python attempts
to solve this problem by doing its own "cooking" based on the
elements, I pointed above [*], with the side effect the
situation may just become more confused and/or just not properly
working (sys.std***.encoding, print, GUI/terminal, souce
coding, ...)
The third problem is more *x specific. In many cases,
the Python "distribution" is tweaked in such a way to
make it working on a specific *x-version/distribution
(sys.getdefaultencoding(), site.py, sitecustomize.py)
and finally resulting in a non properly working Python.
Fourth problem. GUI applications supposed to mimick the
"real" terminal by doing and adding their own "recipes".
Fifth problem. The user who has to understand all this
stuff.
n-th problem, ...
jmf
PS I already understood all this stuff ten years ago!
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Help with my 8-year old son's first program. I'm stuck!
My son is learning Python and I know nothing about computers.
He's written a simple calculator program that doesn't work. For the life of me,
I can't see why.
Any help gratefully received. Here's his code:
def a():
import sys
print("welcome to the calculation")
print("please type a number")
one = int(sys.stdin.readline())
print("type d for division,")
print("type m for multiplication,")
print("type s for subtraction,")
print("and type p for plus")
op = (sys.stdin.readline())
print("%s selected" % op)
print("please enter another number")
two = int(sys.stdin.readline())
if op == str(d):
out == one / two
print("the answer is %s" % out)
elif op == "m":
out == one * two
print("the answer is %s" % out)
elif op == "s":
out == one - two
print("the answer is %s" % out)
elif op == "p":
out == one + two
print("the answer is %s" % out)
else:
print("huh")
Where is he going wrong?
Many thanks in advance
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Re: Help with my 8-year old son's first program. I'm stuck!
Hello, On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 02:02:15AM -0800, [email protected] wrote: > My son is learning Python and I know nothing about computers. :) > He's written a simple calculator program that doesn't work. For the life of > me, I can't see why. > Any help gratefully received. Here's his code: > def a(): > import sys > print("welcome to the calculation") > print("please type a number") > one = int(sys.stdin.readline()) > print("type d for division,") > print("type m for multiplication,") > print("type s for subtraction,") > print("and type p for plus") > op = (sys.stdin.readline()) > print("%s selected" % op) > print("please enter another number") > two = int(sys.stdin.readline()) > if op == str(d): > out == one / two > print("the answer is %s" % out) > elif op == "m": > out == one * two > print("the answer is %s" % out) > elif op == "s": > out == one - two > print("the answer is %s" % out) > elif op == "p": > out == one + two > print("the answer is %s" % out) > else: > print("huh") > > Where is he going wrong? what's your error message? First, you have to put an interpreter in first line - if you're on Linux/Unix: #!/usr/bin/python or some kind of that. I don't know what's the expected on Windows :(. Second, you defined a funcfion, called "a", and if you want to see how does it work, you must call that (after you define it): def a(): ... ... a() Third, at the first statement (if op == str(d)) you're referencing for an undefined variable (d), I think you would put `if op == "d":', instad of that. Good luck, Ervin -- I � UTF-8 -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help with my 8-year old son's first program. I'm stuck!
PS: At the first statement, we've also tried op == "d": But that doesn't work either. On Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:02:15 AM UTC, [email protected] wrote: > My son is learning Python and I know nothing about computers. > > He's written a simple calculator program that doesn't work. For the life of > me, I can't see why. > > Any help gratefully received. Here's his code: > > def a(): > > import sys > > print("welcome to the calculation") > > print("please type a number") > > one = int(sys.stdin.readline()) > > print("type d for division,") > > print("type m for multiplication,") > > print("type s for subtraction,") > > print("and type p for plus") > > op = (sys.stdin.readline()) > > print("%s selected" % op) > > print("please enter another number") > > two = int(sys.stdin.readline()) > > if op == str(d): > > out == one / two > > print("the answer is %s" % out) > > elif op == "m": > > out == one * two > > print("the answer is %s" % out) > > elif op == "s": > > out == one - two > > print("the answer is %s" % out) > > elif op == "p": > > out == one + two > > print("the answer is %s" % out) > > else: > > print("huh") > > > > Where is he going wrong? > > Many thanks in advance -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help with my 8-year old son's first program. I'm stuck!
[email protected] wrote: > My son is learning Python and I know nothing about computers. > He's written a simple calculator program that doesn't work. Normally you are supposed to explain what you or your son expect and what you get instead. If Python ends with an error you should paste that into your message, e. g.: Traceback (most recent call last): File "calculator.py", line 29, in a() File "calculator.py", line 14, in a if op == str(d): NameError: global name 'd' is not defined Also, we need to know if you are using Python 2 or Python 3. Sometimes even the exact version is important. You can find it out with $ python3 -V Python 3.2.2 > For the life > of me, I can't see why. Any help gratefully received. Here's his code: > def a(): > import sys > print("welcome to the calculation") > print("please type a number") > one = int(sys.stdin.readline()) > print("type d for division,") > print("type m for multiplication,") > print("type s for subtraction,") > print("and type p for plus") > op = (sys.stdin.readline()) > print("%s selected" % op) > print("please enter another number") > two = int(sys.stdin.readline()) > if op == str(d): The name d is defined nowhere in your script. That line should be if op == "d": similar to the `elif`s that follow. > out == one / two You want to assign to out but you are actually comparing out to one / two. Change the line (and similar lines below) to a single =, e. g. out = one / two > print("the answer is %s" % out) > elif op == "m": > out == one * two > print("the answer is %s" % out) > elif op == "s": > out == one - two > print("the answer is %s" % out) > elif op == "p": > out == one + two > print("the answer is %s" % out) > else: > print("huh") Change the above line to print("Unknown op=%r" % op) and add a function invocation a() > Where is he going wrong? > Many thanks in advance When you run the script with my modifications $ python3 calculator.py welcome to the calculation please type a number 10 type d for division, type m for multiplication, type s for subtraction, and type p for plus m m selected please enter another number 20 Unknown op='m\n' you see that what you supposed to be an "m" is actually an "m" followed by a newline. The readline() method reads a line including the final newline. You can remove that by changing the line op = (sys.stdin.readline()) to op = sys.stdin.readline().strip() but a more straightforward approach would be to replace all occurences of sys.stdin.readline() with input() # if you are using Python 3 or raw_input() # if yo are using Python 2. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python declarative
[This message has also been posted to gmane.comp.python.general.] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-01-25, 07:18 GMT, Frank Millman wrote: > I have stated that my objective is to express as little as > possible in Python code. Yes, and I believe that it is very wrong. But anyway, if you are so passionate about GUI-via-XML, what’s wrong with Glade (http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/class-gladexml.html)? You have editors for that XML etc. Matěj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFS457O4J/vJdlkhKwRAlA7AJ9nTl4v+FoiNZb3NLaSsIZMd2HO5wCeNYwe EVLDNqlw3YaQtloF1RGWP8Y= =AloI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help with my 8-year old son's first program. I'm stuck!
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 02:02:15 -0800, justinpmullins wrote:
> def a():
> import sys print("welcome to the calculation") print("please type
a
> number")
> one = int(sys.stdin.readline()) print("type d for division,")
> print("type m for multiplication,") print("type s for
subtraction,")
> print("and type p for plus")
> op = (sys.stdin.readline()) print("%s selected" % op) print
("please
> enter another number")
> two = int(sys.stdin.readline())
> if op == str(d):
> out == one / two print("the answer is %s" % out)
> elif op == "m":
> out == one * two print("the answer is %s" % out)
> elif op == "s":
> out == one - two print("the answer is %s" % out)
> elif op == "p":
> out == one + two print("the answer is %s" % out)
> else:
> print("huh")
a() is a function, but I can see nothing in the code that invokes the
function a()
Ignore the comment about needing to define the type of file on the first
line on linux, it's a red herring. You only need to do that (and possibly
chmod the file) on a *nix system if you want to execute it directly as a
command, rather than by calling the interpreter on it.
I suspect that if you remove the line:
"def a():"
and un-indent the rest of the text, the program will run just fine.
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Re: Need Help with Programming Science Project
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:58:50 -0800, theguy wrote:
> I know. I'm kind of ashamed of the code, but it does the job I need it
> to up to a certain point
OK, well first of all take a step back and look at the problem.
You have n exemplars, each from a known author.
You analyse each exemplar, and determine some statistics for it.
You then take your unknown sample, determine the same statistics for the
unknown sample.
Finally, you compare each exemplar's stats with the sample's stats to try
and find a best match.
So, perhaps you want a dictionary of { author: statistics }, and a
function to analyse a piece of text, which might call other functions to
get eg avg words / sentence, avg letters / sentence, avg word length, and
the sd in each, and the short word ratio (words <= 3 chars vs words >= 4
chars) and some other statistics.
Given the statistics for each exemplar, you might store these in your
dictionary as a tuple.
this isn't python, it's a description of an algorithm, it just looks a
bit pythonic:
# tuple of weightings applied to different stats
stat_weightings = ( 1.0, 1.3, 0.85, .. )
def get_some_stat( t ):
# calculate some numerical statistic on a block of text
# return it
def analyse( f ):
text = read_file( f )
return ( get_some_stat( text ), .. )
exemplars = {}
for exemplar_file in exemplar_files:
exemplar_data[author] = analyse( exemplar_file )
sample_data = analyse( sample_file )
scores = {}
tmp = 0
x = 0
# score for a piece of work is sum of ( diff of stat * weighting )
# for all the stats, lower score = closer match
for author in keys( exemplar_data ):
for i in len( exemplar_data[ author ] ):
tmp = tmp + sqrt( exemplar_data[ author ][ i ] -
sample_data[ i ] ) * stat_weightings( i )
scores[ author ] = tmp
if tmp > x:
x = tmp
names = []
for author in keys( scores ):
if scores[ author ] < x:
x = scores[ author ]
names = [ author ]
elif scores[ author ] == x:
names.append( [ author ] )
print "the best matching author(s) is/are: ", names
Then all you have to do is find enough ways to calculate stats, and the
magic coefficients to use in the stat_weightings
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Re: should I transfer 'iterators' between functions?
On 1/25/14 1:37 AM, [email protected] wrote: take the following as an example, which could work well. But my concern is, will list 'l' be deconstructed after function return? and then iterator point to nowhere? def test(): l = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] return iter(l) def main(): for i in test(): print(i) The two things to understand here are names, and values. When you leave the function test, the name l goes away, because it is a locally scoped name. It referred to a value, your list. But values have reference counts, and are not reclaimed until their reference count drops to zero. Your function is returning a value, a listiterator, and that listiterator refers to the list, so the list won't be reclaimed. Names have scopes but no types. Values have types, but no scope. They live as long as they are referred to by something. This is covered in more detail here: http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names.html -- Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: should I transfer 'iterators' between functions?
On 1/25/14 1:37 AM, [email protected] wrote: take the following as an example, which could work well. But my concern is, will list 'l' be deconstructed after function return? and then iterator point to nowhere? def test(): l = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] return iter(l) def main(): for i in test(): print(i) One more thing: there's no need to call iter() explicitly here. Much more common than returning an iterator from a function is to return an iterable. Your code will work exactly the same if you just remove the iter() call: def test(): l = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] return l def main(): for i in test(): print(i) -- Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: should I transfer 'iterators' between functions?
Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 1/25/14 1:37 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> take the following as an example, which could work well. >> But my concern is, will list 'l' be deconstructed after function return? >> and then iterator point to nowhere? >> >> def test(): >> l = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] >> return iter(l) >> def main(): >> for i in test(): >> print(i) >> >> > > One more thing: there's no need to call iter() explicitly here. Much > more common than returning an iterator from a function is to return an > iterable. Your code will work exactly the same if you just remove the > iter() call: > > def test(): > l = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] > return l > def main(): > for i in test(): > print(i) For that specific client code, yes. In the general case the difference matters. Iteration over an iterable starts at the beginning while iteration over an iterator starts at the current item: >>> def main(): ... items = test() ... print(list(zip(items, items))) ... >>> def test(): return range(6) # an iterable ... >>> main() [(0, 0), (1, 1), (2, 2), (3, 3), (4, 4), (5, 5)] >>> def test(): return iter(range(6)) # an iterator ... >>> main() [(0, 1), (2, 3), (4, 5)] -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help with my 8-year old son's first program. I'm stuck!
Thanks Peter, that did the trick. You've got here a very happy 8-year old and a mighty relieved 46-year old!! On Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:41:20 AM UTC, Peter Otten wrote: > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > My son is learning Python and I know nothing about computers. > > > He's written a simple calculator program that doesn't work. > > > > Normally you are supposed to explain what you or your son expect and what > > you get instead. If Python ends with an error you should paste that into > > your message, e. g.: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "calculator.py", line 29, in > > a() > > File "calculator.py", line 14, in a > > if op == str(d): > > NameError: global name 'd' is not defined > > > > Also, we need to know if you are using Python 2 or Python 3. Sometimes even > > the exact version is important. You can find it out with > > > > $ python3 -V > > Python 3.2.2 > > > > > For the life > > > of me, I can't see why. Any help gratefully received. Here's his code: > > > > > def a(): > > > import sys > > > print("welcome to the calculation") > > > print("please type a number") > > > one = int(sys.stdin.readline()) > > > print("type d for division,") > > > print("type m for multiplication,") > > > print("type s for subtraction,") > > > print("and type p for plus") > > > op = (sys.stdin.readline()) > > > print("%s selected" % op) > > > print("please enter another number") > > > two = int(sys.stdin.readline()) > > > if op == str(d): > > > > The name d is defined nowhere in your script. That line should be > > > > if op == "d": > > > > similar to the `elif`s that follow. > > > > > out == one / two > > > > You want to assign to out but you are actually comparing out to one / two. > > Change the line (and similar lines below) to a single =, e. g. > > out = one / two > > > > > print("the answer is %s" % out) > > > elif op == "m": > > > out == one * two > > > print("the answer is %s" % out) > > > elif op == "s": > > > out == one - two > > > print("the answer is %s" % out) > > > elif op == "p": > > > out == one + two > > > print("the answer is %s" % out) > > > else: > > > print("huh") > > > > Change the above line to > > > > print("Unknown op=%r" % op) > > > > and add a function invocation > > > > a() > > > > > Where is he going wrong? > > > Many thanks in advance > > > > When you run the script with my modifications > > > > $ python3 calculator.py > > welcome to the calculation > > please type a number > > 10 > > type d for division, > > type m for multiplication, > > type s for subtraction, > > and type p for plus > > m > > m > > selected > > please enter another number > > 20 > > Unknown op='m\n' > > > > you see that what you supposed to be an "m" is actually an "m" followed by a > > newline. The readline() method reads a line including the final newline. > > You can remove that by changing the line > > > > op = (sys.stdin.readline()) > > > > to > > > > op = sys.stdin.readline().strip() > > > > but a more straightforward approach would be to replace all occurences of > > > > sys.stdin.readline() > > > > with > > > > input() # if you are using Python 3 > > > > or > > > > raw_input() # if yo are using Python 2. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need Help with Programming Science Project
On Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:12:20 PM UTC+5:30, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > > Heck, at the very least turn all those _99 variables into single > lists The posted code looks like something from 1968 K&K BASIC. Yes thats correct. My suggestion of data-files is a second step. A first step is just converting to using internal (python) data structures. [And not 1968 BASIC scalars!] -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Trying to understand this moji-bake
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:08:56 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> But using Python 2.7, I get a really bad case of moji-bake: >> >> [steve@ando ~]$ python2.7 -c "print u'ñøλπйж'" >> ñøλÏйж > > What's 2.7's default source code encoding? I thought it was ascii, but > maybe it's assuming (in the absence of a magic cookie) that it's > Latin-1. > > ChrisA I seem to be getting the same behavior as Steven: $ python2.7 -c "print u'ñøλπйж'" ñøλÏйж $ python2.7 -c "import sys; print(sys.stdout.encoding)" UTF-8 $ locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE= LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL= $ python2.7 -c "import sys; print(sys.stdin.encoding)" UTF-8 Also, my GNOME Terminal 3.4.1.1 character encoding is "Unicode (UTF-8)". HTH -- To email me, substitute nowhere->spamcop, invalid->net. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Pls help me...I want to save data to my database but I am unable to
This is my first programming pet project. I have the following script that
extracts links from specific sites and display them on the web(via django).
The script work fine but I'm unable to save any stuff in my database.
Hence if I run the code, I get the output I want but then it always
extracts only new content. I will rather want to have the content scrapped
earlier saved to the database so that on subsequent run, it only scrap and
append ONLY new links to the list.
[ ]
Any help will be appreciated.
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# Create your views here.
from django.template.loader import get_template
from django.core.paginator import Paginator, EmptyPage, PageNotAnInteger
from django.shortcuts import render_to_response
from django.template import Context
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
import urllib2, sys
import urlparse
import re
from datetime import date, datetime
from listing.models import jobLinks
def businessghana():
site = "http://www.businessghana.com/portal/jobs";
hdr = {'User-Agent' : 'Mozilla/5.0'}
req = urllib2.Request(site, headers=hdr)
jobpass = urllib2.urlopen(req)
soup = BeautifulSoup(jobpass)
for tag in soup.find_all('a', href = True):
tag['href'] = urlparse.urljoin('
http://www.businessghana.com/portal/', tag['href'])
return map(str, soup.find_all('a', href =
re.compile('.getJobInfo')))
def tonaton():
site = "http://tonaton.com/en/job-vacancies-in-ghana";
hdr = {'User-Agent' : 'Mozilla/5.0'}
req = urllib2.Request(site, headers=hdr)
jobpass = urllib2.urlopen(req)
soup = BeautifulSoup(jobpass)
result = []
# next two lines make all the links in the soup absolute
for tag in soup.find_all('a', href=True):
tag['href'] = urlparse.urljoin('http://www.tonaton.com',
tag['href'])
# assign all 'h2' tags to 'jobs'. The 'h2'tag contains the required
links
jobs = soup.find_all('h2')
# Loop through the 'h2' tags and extract all the links
for h2 in soup.find_all('h2'):
n = h2.next_element
if n.name == 'a': result.append(str(n))
return result
def jobscomgh():
site = "http://jobs.com.gh";
hdr = {'User-Agent' : 'Mozilla/5.0'}
req = urllib2.Request(site, headers=hdr)
jobpass = urllib2.urlopen(req)
soup = BeautifulSoup(jobpass)
return map(str, soup.find_all('a', href =
re.compile('.display-job')))
businessghana_links = businessghana()
tonaton_links = tonaton()
jobscomgh_links = jobscomgh()
def all_links():
return (businessghana_links + tonaton_links + jobscomgh_links)
def save_new_links(all_links):
current_links = jobLinks.objects.all()
for i in all_links:
if i not in current_links:
jobLinks.objects.create(url=i)
def this_week_links(all_links):
return jobLinks.objects.filter(date__gte =
datetime.timedelta(days=-7))
save_new_links(all_links)
this_week_links(all_links)
def display_links(request):
name = all_links()
paginator = Paginator(name, 25)
page = request.GET.get('page')
try:
name = paginator.page(page)
except PageNotAnInteger:
name = paginator.page(1)
except EmptyPage:
name = paginator.page(paginator.num_pages)
return render_to_response('jobs.html', {'name' : name})
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Re: Trying to understand this moji-bake
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Peter Pearson wrote: > $ python2.7 -c "import sys; print(sys.stdin.encoding)" > UTF-8 This isn't from stdin, though, it's about the interpretation of the bytes of source code without a magic cookie. According to PEP 263 [1], the default encoding should have become "ascii" as of Python 2.5. That's what puzzles me. ChrisA [1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0263/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pls help me...I want to save data to my database but I am unable to
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Max Cuban wrote:
> This is my first programming pet project. I have the following script that
> extracts links from specific sites and display them on the web(via django).
> The script work fine but I'm unable to save any stuff in my database.
>
> Hence if I run the code, I get the output I want but then it always extracts
> only new content. I will rather want to have the content scrapped earlier
> saved to the database so that on subsequent run, it only scrap and append
> ONLY new links to the list.
At what point are you saving anything to the database? I'm not seeing
it. This may be a consequence of there being simply too much code for
the post - when you have a problem, try to post the smallest amount of
code necessary to demonstrate that problem. If your problem is saving
stuff to the database, create a project that simulates generating
links (maybe just hard-codes a dozen of them), and tries to save them.
Often, the exercise of making the small version actually shows you
where the problem is, right there; and if it doesn't, it's much easier
for us to see and help you. In this case, after reading your opening
paragraph, the very first thing I did was to scan your code for a
"commit" operation - but I couldn't find one, and I can't find any
database work.
BTW, the word you want here is "scrape" (other tenses "scraping" and
"scraped"). Scrapping ("scrap", "scrapped" - pronounced with a short
'a' sound like "flapping") is destruction and disposal - "the wreckers
are scrapping hundreds of smashed cars". Scraping (pronounced with a
long 'a' sound like "trading" [1]) is running a tool over something to
clean something else off - "every winter, car owners spend innumerable
hours scraping ice off their windscreens" - and this is the word
that's been picked up for "screen scraping" and related terms.
Hope that helps!
ChrisA
[1] I could go into detail about single and double consonants if
anyone's curious, but I don't think it'd help)
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Re: Trying to understand this moji-bake
On 25 January 2014 04:37, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
>
> But using Python 2.7, I get a really bad case of moji-bake:
>
> [steve@ando ~]$ python2.7 -c "print u'ñøλπйж'"
> ñøλÏйж
>
> However, interactively it works fine:
>
> [steve@ando ~]$ python2.7 -E
> Python 2.7.2 (default, May 18 2012, 18:25:10)
> [GCC 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-52)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
print u'ñøλπйж'
> ñøλπйж
>
> This occurs on at least two different machines, one using Centos and the
> other Debian.
Same for me. It's to do with using a u literal:
$ python2.7 -c "print('ñøλπйж')"
ñøλπйж
$ python2.7 -c "print(u'ñøλπйж')"
ñøλπйж
$ python2.7 -c "print(repr('ñøλπйж'))"
'\xc3\xb1\xc3\xb8\xce\xbb\xcf\x80\xd0\xb9\xd0\xb6'
$ python2.7 -c "print(repr(u'ñøλπйж'))"
u'\xc3\xb1\xc3\xb8\xce\xbb\xcf\x80\xd0\xb9\xd0\xb6'
$ python2.7
Python 2.7.5+ (default, Sep 19 2013, 13:49:51)
[GCC 4.8.1] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> b='\xc3\xb1\xc3\xb8\xce\xbb\xcf\x80\xd0\xb9\xd0\xb6'
>>> print(b)
ñøλπйж
>>> s=u'\xc3\xb1\xc3\xb8\xce\xbb\xcf\x80\xd0\xb9\xd0\xb6'
>>> print(s)
ñøλπйж
>>> print(s.encode('latin-1'))
ñøλπйж
>>> import sys
>>> sys.getdefaultencoding()
'ascii'
It works in the interactive prompt:
>>> s = 'ñøλπйж'
>>> print(s)
ñøλπйж
>>> s = u'ñøλπйж'
>>> print(s)
ñøλπйж
But the interactive prompt has an associated encoding:
>>> import sys
>>> sys.stdout.encoding
'UTF-8'
If I put it into a utf-8 file with no encoding declared I get a SyntaxError:
$ cat tmp.py
s = u'ñøλπйж'
print(s)
oscar@tonis-laptop:~$ python2.7 tmp.py
File "tmp.py", line 1
SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc3' in file tmp.py on line 1, but
no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for
details
If I add the encoding declaration it works:
oscar@tonis-laptop:~$ vim tmp.py
oscar@tonis-laptop:~$ cat tmp.py
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
s = u'ñøλπйж'
print(s)
oscar@tonis-laptop:~$ python2.7 tmp.py
ñøλπйж
oscar@tonis-laptop:~$
So I'd say that your original example should be a SyntaxError with
Python 2.7 but instead it implicitly uses latin-1.
Oscar
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Pls help me...I want to save scraped data automatically to my database(cleaner version)
I have asked this question earlier but this should make more sense than the
earlier version and I don't want anyone who could potentially helped to be
put off by the initial mess even if I updated it with my cleaner version as
a reply
I want to save the links scraped to be save in my database so that on
subsequent run, it only scrapes and append only new links to the list.
This is my code below but at the end of the day my database is empty. What
changes can I make to overcome this? Thanks in advance
from django.template.loader import get_template
from django.shortcuts import render_to_response
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
import urllib2, sys
import urlparse
import re
from listing.models import jobLinks
#this function extract the links
def businessghana():
site = "http://www.businessghana.com/portal/jobs";
hdr = {'User-Agent' : 'Mozilla/5.0'}
req = urllib2.Request(site, headers=hdr)
jobpass = urllib2.urlopen(req)
soup = BeautifulSoup(jobpass)
for tag in soup.find_all('a', href = True):
tag['href'] = urlparse.urljoin('
http://www.businessghana.com/portal/', tag['href'])
return map(str, soup.find_all('a', href =
re.compile('.getJobInfo')))
# result from businssghana() saved to a variable to make them iterable as
a list
all_links = businessghana()
#this function should be saving the links to the database unless the link
already exist
def save_new_links(all_links):
current_links = jobLinks.objects.all()
for i in all_links:
if i not in current_links:
jobLinks.objects.create(url=i)
# I called the above function here hoping that it will save to database
save_new_links(all_links)
# return my httpResponse with this function
def display_links(request):
name = all_links()
return render_to_response('jobs.html', {'name' : name})
My django models.py looks like this:
from django.db import models class jobLinks(models.Model): links =
models.URLField() pub_date = models.DateTimeField('date retrieved') def
__unicode__(self): return self.links
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Can't get sqlite3.Row working: keyword lookup doesn't work
Hello,
using Python 2.7.6
I try to access a sqlite database using keyword lookup instead of
position (much more easy to maintain code), but it always fail, with the
error:
Index must be int or string
I have created the database, populated it, and here is the code that
tries to retrieve the information:
with sqlite3.connect(mydbPath) as db: # open the database
db.row_factory = sqlite3.Row
cursor = db.cursor()
cursor.execute("SELECT * FROM files")
for row in cursor.fetchall():
print(row.keys())
print(row["filename"])
result is:
['filename', 'filepath', 'filetag', 'PROJECT', 'SCENE', 'TAKE', 'TAPE',
'CIRCLED', 'FILE_UID', 'UBITS', 'TOTAL_FILES', 'FAMILY_UID', 'track_1',
'track_2', 'track_3', 'track_4', 'track_5', 'track_6', 'track_7',
'track_8', 'track_9', 'track_10', 'track_11', 'track_12', 'NOTE',
'duration', 'BWF_ORIGINATION_DATE', 'TIMECODE_FLAG', 'TIMECODE_RATE',
'FILE_SAMPLE_RATE', 'AUDIO_BIT_DEPTH', 'DIGITIZER_SAMPLE_RATE',
'TIMESTAMP_SAMPLE_RATE', 'TIMESTAMP_SINCE_MIDNIGHT', 'is_Short',
'is_MS', 'is_renamed_MS', 'WF_created', 'max_level', 'is_silent',
'is_silent_moved', 'silent_path', 'is_WS', 'is_WS_copied', 'CSV_made',
'is_cantar', 'is_sound_devices', 'exist']
error => Index must be int or string
What is wrong?
thanks a lot.
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Re: Trying to understand this moji-bake
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:08:56 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> But using Python 2.7, I get a really bad case of moji-bake: >> >> [steve@ando ~]$ python2.7 -c "print u'ñøλπйж'" ñøλÏйж > > What's 2.7's default source code encoding? I thought it was ascii, but > maybe it's assuming (in the absence of a magic cookie) that it's > Latin-1. I think that's it! Python 2.7 ought to raise a SyntaxError, since there's no source encoding declared, while Python 3.3 defaults to UTF-8 which is the same as my terminal. If there's a bug, it is that Python 2.7 doesn't raise SyntaxError when called with -c and there are non-ASCII literals in the source. Instead, it seems to be defaulting to Latin-1, hence the moji- bake. Thanks to everyone who responded! -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Trying to understand this moji-bake
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > If there's a bug, it is that Python 2.7 doesn't > raise SyntaxError when called with -c and there are non-ASCII literals in > the source. Instead, it seems to be defaulting to Latin-1, hence the moji- > bake. That might well be a bug! I was reading the PEP, which was pretty clear about it needing to be ASCII by default. It's not so clear about -c but I would expect it to do the same. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python declarative
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:18:44 +0200, Frank Millman wrote:
> I have realised that we unlikely to come to an agreement on this in the
> near future, as our philosophies are completely different.
>
> You [Chris Angelo] have stated that your objective is to express as
> much as possible in Python code.
>
> I have stated that my objective is to express as little as possible in
> Python code.
Interesting perspective.
> We would have to resolve that difference of opinion first, before
> discussing our respective approaches in detail, and that is way beyond
> the scope of this thread.
>
> As a brief example of my approach, here is how I would write your simple
> 'About' box.
>
> Here is your version -
>
> mainwindow = GTK2.Window(0)->add(GTK2.Vbox(0,0)
> ->add(GTK2.Label("About Gypsum: big long multi-line string"))
> ->add(GTK2.HbuttonBox()
> ->add(GTK2.Button("Close"))
> ->add(GTK2.Button("Foobar"))
> )
> );
That's not Python code, but it's reasonably concise and readable. (By the
way, what language is it?) The meaning is fairly obvious, and it's all
pretty simple. I'd like to see a more human readable GUI designer
language:
# hypothetical code in a DSL for creating GUI elements
create new window mainwindow
with mainwindow
add vbox at 0,0
add label "About Gypsum: big long multi-line string"
add hbuttonbox
add button "Close"
add button "Foobar"
but what you've got there is okay. Seven lines of readable code.
> Here is my version -
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> btn_enabled="true" btn_validate="false" btn_default="true">
>
>
> btn_enabled="true" btn_validate="false" btn_default="false">
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thirty. Seven. Lines. Of. XML.
You've got to be kidding me. How can you *possibly* prefer that?
First rule of XML: it is not human-writable. It's barely human-readable.
It's a *document* interchange language which happens to use mostly human-
readable elements, which is not the same thing at all. It's designed to
be machine written. Using XML for *data* is abusive to both the XML
design goals and to the poor schmuck who has to read your config file.
Using XML *as a programming language* is not just abuse, it's getting
into grievous bodily harm territory.
Here's a simple programming expression, familiar to most people, common
to hundreds of programming languages:
3+4*5
Here it is written as XML:
345
Source:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-sbxml/index.html
More here:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/05/xml-the-angle-bracket-tax.html
http://myarch.com/why-xml-is-bad-for-humans/
If you expect a human being to routinely *read*, let alone *write*, XML
in preference to some real programming language, that is a horrible,
horrible thing. Using XML as an internal, machine-generated, format not
intended for humans is not too bad. Anything else is abusive.
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Re: Python declarative
On 26/01/2014 02:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Here's a simple programming expression, familiar to most people, common to hundreds of programming languages: 3+4*5 Here it is written as XML: 345 Source: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-sbxml/index.html More here: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/05/xml-the-angle-bracket-tax.html http://myarch.com/why-xml-is-bad-for-humans/ If you expect a human being to routinely *read*, let alone *write*, XML in preference to some real programming language, that is a horrible, horrible thing. Using XML as an internal, machine-generated, format not intended for humans is not too bad. Anything else is abusive. If I worked as a consultant I'd much prefer the XML version as I'd be able to charge much more on the grounds that I'd done much more, hoping that the people paying didn't bother with design reviews or the like :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Trying to understand this moji-bake
On 1/25/2014 2:13 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Peter Pearson wrote: $ python2.7 -c "import sys; print(sys.stdin.encoding)" UTF-8 This isn't from stdin, though, it's about the interpretation of the bytes of source code without a magic cookie. According to PEP 263 [1], the default encoding should have become "ascii" as of Python 2.5. That's what puzzles me. I believe it is actually (but unofficially) latin-1 so that latin-1 accented chars can be used in identifiers even though only ascii is officially supported. -- Terry Jan Reedy -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python declarative
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
>> Here is your version -
>>
>> mainwindow = GTK2.Window(0)->add(GTK2.Vbox(0,0)
>> ->add(GTK2.Label("About Gypsum: big long multi-line string"))
>> ->add(GTK2.HbuttonBox()
>> ->add(GTK2.Button("Close"))
>> ->add(GTK2.Button("Foobar"))
>> )
>> );
>
> That's not Python code, but it's reasonably concise and readable. (By the
> way, what language is it?) The meaning is fairly obvious, and it's all
> pretty simple.
It's Pike, and the above example is pure Pike without any of my own
helpers. If you fire up Pike's interactive mode and type two commands
"GTK2.setup_gtk();" and "start backend" first, you can paste that in
and it'll create you a window. (It won't DO anything, but it'll sit
there looking like a window.) It tends to get a little verbose after a
while (hence the need for helper functions to combat the complexity),
but the advantage of this system is that it took me absolutely zero
code. I didn't have to write any framework.
> I'd like to see a more human readable GUI designer
> language:
>
> # hypothetical code in a DSL for creating GUI elements
> create new window mainwindow
> with mainwindow
> add vbox at 0,0
> add label "About Gypsum: big long multi-line string"
> add hbuttonbox
> add button "Close"
> add button "Foobar"
>
> but what you've got there is okay. Seven lines of readable code.
Sure. That would make reasonable sense, as a DSL. And, in fact, if I
were making a Python GUI, I would want to add something that would let
me do it that way - at least compared to PyGTK, which insists on every
box getting a temporary name, since the add() methods don't chain. But
that's a cost, that has to be written. I'm happy with the no-code
version to start with. Now, with something as complicated as the
character sheet, well, that's different. I think if I did all the
charsheet code as pure no-helpers Pike, it would be a dozen pages of
code and indented about fifty tabs. At that point, it's worth putting
some effort into taming the beast :) Here's an actual example from the
charsheet:
GTK2.Hbox(0,10)->add(GTK2Table(({
({"Name",ef("name",12),0,0,"Char level",num("level",8)}),
({"Race",ef("race",8),"HD",ef("race_hd"),"Experience",num("xp",8)}),
({"Class",ef("class1",12),"Level",num("level1"),"To next
lvl",calc("`+(@enumerate(level,1000,1000))-xp")}),
({"Class",ef("class2",12),"Level",num("level2"),"Size",select("size",sizes)}),
({"Class",ef("class3",12),"Level",num("level3"),
"Grapple",calc(grapple_formula,"grapple","string")
}),
({"Class",ef("class4",12),"Level",num("level4")}),
}))->set_col_spacings(4))
->add(GTK2.Frame("Wealth")->add(GTK2Table(({
({"Platinum",num("wealth_plat",7)}),
({"Gold",num("wealth_gold",7)}),
({"Silver",num("wealth_silver",7)}),
({"Copper",num("wealth_copper",7)}),
({"Total
gp",calc("(wealth_plat*1000+wealth_gold*100+wealth_silver*10+wealth_copper)/100")}),
}
It's a mix of basic Pike and GTK functions (GTK2.Frame is one of the
standard widgets) and helpers (num, ef, and calc) that return widgets,
maybe with child widgets. GTK2Table takes an array and plops
everything into it at appropriate locations. I use that function
*everywhere* in the charsheet - mainly because I was porting from a
spreadsheet, but D&D character sheets are inherently tabular.
(Note that I've reformatted this a bit from the original, and it might
be disrupted a bit by the email/newsgroup format. In the original,
this is all a few tabs in, but as long as your editor isn't wrapping
the lines, it's pretty readable.)
At what point is it a DSL rather than just "Pike code with helper
functions"? This is particularly true with Python code; it wouldn't be
hard to make a DSL that's derived from Python.
(By the way, your translation "add a vbox at 0,0" isn't accurate; the
0,0 are parameters to the Vbox itself, being the homogenous flag (if
it's nonzero, it forces its children to the same height and/or width,
but 0 means each child gets what it asks for) and the padding (0 puts
children hard up against one another, nonzero puts that much room
between them). A window has only a single child, which occupies its
entire space; that's why it's conventional to add a layout manager as
the one child, and then add multiple children to that. Means the
window needn't care about the minutiae of child positioning. But if
you call that "add a vbox 0,0", that'd work fine; and if you're making
a DSL, I'd make 0,0 the defaults and say "add a vbox padding 10" if I
want to override.)
The only problem with your DSL as I see it is that it doesn't mark the
beginning and end of child widget layouts. This needs to be a tree.
But Python already has a notation for that: indent! So if the two
buttons are indented, they'll be inside the hbuttonbox (which is a
type of horizontal box), which is within the vertical box (again,
indent everything that's inside it), which is within the
Re: Python declarative
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > If I worked as a consultant I'd much prefer the XML version as I'd be able > to charge much more on the grounds that I'd done much more, hoping that the > people paying didn't bother with design reviews or the like :) And that's very true. If someone wants something infinitely customizeable, the best solution might be an empty file with a shebang at the top - but that's hardly something you can charge oodles for. This is where soft-coding comes from. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Soft_Coding.aspx The business logic examples given there are best served by hard code. Suppose you need to calculate this-value plus that-value times other-value; is there any difference between writing that in Python (ugh, that's hard code!) and putting the formula in a config file, where it'll get parsed and evaluated (oh, that's a config file, that's fine)? As you'll see in my other post, there's a formula evaluator routine there; it takes a string of code and compiles it: (wealth_plat*1000+wealth_gold*100+wealth_silver*10+wealth_copper)/100 It's straight code, and it's embedded. If ever the rules change, I can edit the code. For instance, here's the D&D Fourth Edition version of that: (wealth_plat*1+wealth_gold*100+wealth_silver*10+wealth_copper)/100 Should the value of a platinum coin be moved out into a config file? Maybe. MAYBE. Should the value of a silver piece be? Definitely not! There's no use-case for silver pieces being worth anything other than ten copper. If and when there is one, the code can simply be edited. There is no value in soft-coding this formula. Code isn't something to be afraid of. It's just text files like any other. After all, Python code is a config file for /usr/bin/python, so if you want to change what Python does, just edit its config file! ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python declarative
On Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:36:15 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > Code isn't something to be afraid of. It's just text files like any > other. After all, Python code is a config file for /usr/bin/python, so > if you want to change what Python does, just edit its config file! Windows stores configuration in the registry -- by fiat Linux (posix) stores configuration in /etc + ~/.files -- by convention Which do you think is preferable? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python declarative
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:36:15 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Code isn't something to be afraid of. It's just text files like any >> other. After all, Python code is a config file for /usr/bin/python, so >> if you want to change what Python does, just edit its config file! > > Windows stores configuration in the registry -- by fiat > Linux (posix) stores configuration in /etc + ~/.files -- by convention > > Which do you think is preferable? Not exclusively, in either case. Many many things are config files of various sorts. The terms of the GPL specifically state that a GPL'd language does not enforce that code written in it is GPL'd, because it's just (to the GPL code) data files. Plenty of Windows programs store config files outside the registry. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python declarative
"Steven D'Aprano" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:18:44 +0200, Frank Millman wrote: > >> I have realised that we unlikely to come to an agreement on this in the >> near future, as our philosophies are completely different. >> >> You [Chris Angelo] have stated that your objective is to express as >> much as possible in Python code. >> >> I have stated that my objective is to express as little as possible in >> Python code. > > Interesting perspective. > [...] I did not really want to continue this, but I have to respond to that. There is a sub-context within which I made my statement. Here is a quote from one of my earlier posts - > Each form definition is stored as gzip'd XML in a database, and linked to > the > menu system. There is just one python program that responds to the > selection > of a menu option, retrieves the form from the database, unpacks it and > runs it. I do not expect anyone to read or edit the XML - it is just a storage format. I am sure it could be done in JSON or YAML as well. One objective is to make it easy for non-programmers to modify forms and create new ones. I showed a screenshot earlier that illustrated a 'button' definition. Frank -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
