Re: using python in web applications
On Sep 10, 1:54 pm, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: > I'm not feeling particularly masochistic, so I do not want to develop > this project in PHP; essentially I'm looking to build a web-based MMO. Google have been promoting the use of appengine along with HTML5 & JS to produce games. One advantage of using GAE to host the server is it takes care of the scaling for you. I found these presentations fascinating: http://cc-2011-html5-games.appspot.com/#1 http://io-2011-html5-games-hr.appspot.com/#1 This article covers the process in a little more depth: http://clouddbs.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-to-write-html5-game-in-30-days-with.html Google are also aggregating platform-specific info here: http://code.google.com/games Hope this helps (and let us know when you have something to show off!) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Easiest framework to develop simple interactive web site in python?
On 12/09/11 19:37, Stefaan Himpe wrote: The simplest one to learn is web2py http://www.web2py.com No configuration needed, just unpack and get started. It also has very good documentation and tons of little examples to get things done. The other options you mentioned are good too :) OK I've had a look at bottle, cherrypy and web2py and they look fairly straightforward. I'll check out some more and see where I get to. Thanks for the tips, John. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Easiest framework to develop simple interactive web site in python?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John Reid wrote: > On 12/09/11 19:37, Stefaan Himpe wrote: >> >> The simplest one to learn is web2py http://www.web2py.com >> No configuration needed, just unpack and get started. >> It also has very good documentation and tons of little examples to get >> things done. >> >> The other options you mentioned are good too :) >> > > OK I've had a look at bottle, cherrypy and web2py and they look fairly > straightforward. I'll check out some more and see where I get to. Thanks for > the tips, > John. > maybe you can also try out uliweb. -- I like python! UliPad <>: http://code.google.com/p/ulipad/ UliWeb <>: http://code.google.com/p/uliweb/ My Blog: http://hi.baidu.com/limodou -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How do I automate the removal of all non-ascii characters from my code?
On 12 sep, 23:39, "Rhodri James" wrote: > Now read what Steven wrote again. The issue is that the program contains > characters that are syntactically illegal. The "engine" can be perfectly > correctly translating a character as a smart quote or a non breaking space > or an e-umlaut or whatever, but that doesn't make the character legal! > Yes, you are right. I did not understand in that way. However, a small correction/precision. Illegal character do not exit. One can "only" have an ill-formed encoded code points or an illegal encoded code point representing a character/glyph. Basically, in the present case. The issue is most probably a mismatch between the coding directive and the real coding, with "no coding directive" == 'ascii'. jmf -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How do I automate the removal of all non-ascii characters from my code?
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:49 pm jmfauth wrote: > On 12 sep, 23:39, "Rhodri James" wrote: > > >> Now read what Steven wrote again. The issue is that the program contains >> characters that are syntactically illegal. The "engine" can be perfectly >> correctly translating a character as a smart quote or a non breaking >> space or an e-umlaut or whatever, but that doesn't make the character >> legal! >> > > Yes, you are right. I did not understand in that way. > > However, a small correction/precision. Illegal character > do not exit. One can "only" have an ill-formed encoded code > points or an illegal encoded code point representing a > character/glyph. You are wrong there. There are many ASCII characters which are illegal in Python source code, at least outside of comments and string literals, and possibly even there. >>> code = "x = 1 + \b 2" # all ASCII characters >>> print(code) x = 1 + 2 >>> exec(code) Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "", line 1 x = 1 + 2 ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax Now, imagine that somehow a \b ASCII backspace character somehow gets introduced into your source file. When you go to run the file, or import it, you will get a SyntaxError. Changing the encoding will not help. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Re: How do I automate the removal of all non-ascii characters from my code?
On 13 sep, 10:15, Steven D'Aprano wrote: The intrinsic coding of the characters is one thing, The usage of bytes stream supposed to represent a text is one another thing, jmf -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Should a beginner do some coding excises? How can I find the sources？
On Sep 13, 1:14 pm, memilanuk wrote: > On 09/12/2011 09:20 PM, sillyou su wrote: > > > I'm reading "Learning Python"（ Chinese version）. Before I go through > > the whole book, I want to do some excises matching each charter. > > Any tips? Any better advice？ > > For the code examples, have you tried looking up the home page for the > book? Google for 'oreilly learning python' and find the correct edition > that you have. > > If its the 4th ed (current), you should end up on a page like this: > > http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596158071.do > > Down in the right hand side-bar, there should be a menu 'Essential > Links' and one of the options is 'Download code' or something along > those lines. The link should take you to a zip file with all the code > examples in the book. > > As far as practice exercises... maybe something like > codingbat.com/python would be helpful. Its not related to the book at > all, and doesn't go nearly as in depth... but its kind of neat to play > with and see how your code works when someone else is grading it! (at > least for me). > > HTH, > > Monte codingbat.com/python! The website is really interesting. Thank you! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
problem:import csv data
import sqlite3
con = sqlite3.connect('/home/stock.db')
cur = con.cursor()
cur.execute('''CREATE TABLE quote (ticker TEXT,date TEXT, popen TEXT, high
TEXT, low TEXT,vol TEXT,adjclose TEXT);''')
i=/tmp/data.csv
cur.execute('.separator "," ')
cur.execute('.import %s quote' % i)
con.commit()
cur.close()
con.close()
the output is :
cur.execute('.separator"," ')
sqlite3.OperationalError: near ".": syntax error
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send string to input of another process
Hello everybody,
I'm looking for some solution, maybe someone of you can help me.
I call another process via os.system("process") and it waits for some input.
I have to write a comment (for example, like using svn or git), and after
that to close input (for example, like ":wq" using vim).
How can I give/write this comment and put it in the input for next process
(which start after)?
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Re: How do I automate the removal of all non-ascii characters from my code?
On Sep 12, 4:49 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:43 pm Stefan Behnel wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you are trying to say with the above code, but if it's > > the code that fails for you with the exception you posted, I would guess > > that the problem is in the "[more stuff here]" part, which likely contains > > a non-ASCII character. Note that you didn't declare the source file > > encoding above. Do as Gary told you. > > Even with a source code encoding, you will probably have problems with > source files including \xe2 and other "bad" chars. Unless they happen to > fall inside a quoted string literal, I would expect to get a SyntaxError. > > I have come across this myself. While I haven't really investigated in great > detail, it appears to happen when copying and pasting code from a document > (usually HTML) which uses non-breaking spaces instead of \x20 space > characters. All it takes is just one to screw things up. > > -- > Steven Depending on the load, you can do something like: "".join([x for x in string if ord(x) < 128]) It's worked great for me in cleaning input on webapps where there's a lot of copy/paste from varied sources. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: problem:import csv data
.separator (and .import) are not SQL commands but "sqlite3" commands.
You can get the same effect with the following code:
with open('/tmp/data.csv') as fo:
reader = csv.reader(fo)
cur.executemany('INSERT INTO quote VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?)'),
reader)
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Re: How do I automate the removal of all non-ascii characters from my code?
2011/9/13 ron :
>
> Depending on the load, you can do something like:
>
> "".join([x for x in string if ord(x) < 128])
>
> It's worked great for me in cleaning input on webapps where there's a
> lot of copy/paste from varied sources.
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>
Well, for this kind of dirty "data cleaning" you may as well use e.g.
>>> u"äteöxt ÛÜÝ wiÉÊËÌthÞßà áânoûüýþn ASɔɕɖCɗɘəɚɛIɗɘəɚɛIεζ iηθιn
>>> жзbetийклweeჟრსn .ტუ..ფ".encode("ascii", "ignore").decode("ascii")
u'text with non ASCII in between ...'
>>>
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Re: PC locks up with list operations
On Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:49:24 AM UTC-7, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: > 32-bit or 64-bit Python? A 32-bit program will crash once memory hits > 2GB. A 64-bit program will just keep consuming RAM until your computer > starts thrashing. The problem isn't your program using more RAM than > you have, just more RAM than you have free. Last time I faced a > situation like this, I just decided it was better to stick to the > 32-bit program and let it crash if it got too big. On my 64-bit Linux system, I got a memory error in under a second, no thrashing. I have no swap. It's overrated. Carl Banks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Re: send string to input of another process
On 13 Sep 2011 17:53, "Alex Naumov" wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I'm looking for some solution, maybe someone of you can help me.
>
> I call another process via os.system("process") and it waits for some
input. I have to write a comment (for example, like using svn or git), and
after that to close input (for example, like ":wq" using vim).
> How can I give/write this comment and put it in the input for next process
(which start after)?
>
>
Take a look at the subprocess module, especially the communicate method.
Note that you will not be able to script screen-oriented programs like vim
using this, unless it has some mode where you can drive it by piping
commands on stdin.
If you want to provide commit messages, I'm sure your vc system accepts
those on the command line instead.
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Re: How do I automate the removal of all non-ascii characters from my code?
Hmm, nothing mentioned so far works for me...
Here's a very small test case:
>>> python -u "Convert to Creole.py"
File "Convert to Creole.py", line 1
SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file Convert to Creole.py
on line 1, but no encoding declared; see
http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details
>>> Exit Code: 1
Line 1: a=u'''≤'''.encode("ascii", "ignore").decode("ascii")
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Vlastimil Brom
wrote:
> 2011/9/13 ron :
>>
>> Depending on the load, you can do something like:
>>
>> "".join([x for x in string if ord(x) < 128])
>>
>> It's worked great for me in cleaning input on webapps where there's a
>> lot of copy/paste from varied sources.
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>>
> Well, for this kind of dirty "data cleaning" you may as well use e.g.
>
u"äteöxt ÛÜÝ wiÉÊËÌthÞßà áânoûüýþn ASɔɕɖCɗɘəɚɛIɗɘəɚɛIεζ iηθιn
жзbetийклweeჟრსn .ტუ..ფ".encode("ascii", "ignore").decode("ascii")
> u'text with non ASCII in between ...'
>
> vbr
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Re: How do I automate the removal of all non-ascii characters from my code?
Alec Taylor writes:
> Hmm, nothing mentioned so far works for me...
>
> Here's a very small test case:
>
> >>> python -u "Convert to Creole.py"
> File "Convert to Creole.py", line 1
> SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file Convert to Creole.py
> on line 1, but no encoding declared; see
> http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details
> >>> Exit Code: 1
>
> Line 1: a=u'''≤'''.encode("ascii", "ignore").decode("ascii")
The people who told you to declare the source code encoding in the
source file would like to see Line 0.
See .
[1001] ruuvi$ cat ctc.py
# coding=utf-8
print u'''x ≤ 1'''.encode("ascii", "ignore").decode("ascii")
[1002] ruuvi$ python ctc.py
x 1
[1003] ruuvi$
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Re: PyWart: Itertools module needs attention
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:04 PM, rantingrick wrote: > > > # Quote # > > # The itertools module is great HOWEVER i believe most # > # people are recreating the functionalities due to the # > # insanely cryptic and/or missing examples from each # > # method # > Have you looked at the online itertools documentation at all? http://docs.python.org/library/itertools.html > py> ''.join(list(itertools.dropwhile(lambda x:x==" ", " hello > word "))) > 'hello word ' > py> ''.join(list(itertools.takewhile(lambda x:x==" ", " hello > word "))) > ' ' These are too complex to be good examples. Drop the lambda and replace it with a built-in. Also, str.join is perfectly capable of taking an iterator as its argument. There is no reason at all to construct a list first. > py> print itertools.compress.__doc__ > compress(data, selectors) --> iterator over selected data > Return data elements corresponding to true selector elements. > Forms a shorter iterator from selected data elements using the > selectors to choose the data elements. > > > # Quote # > > # WTF! Would you like to define a Python "selector". Could # > # it be that we should be using "selector function" or # > # "predicate function" instead? # > Notice that it says "selector elements", not "selector functions". You have misconstrued what this function does. Hint: it does not use predicates at all. I can agree though that this could probably use a simple example in the doc string. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Invoke a superclass method from a subclass constructor
Written by Kayode Odeyemi
Well, I did try using super(), but I got this:
>>> class B(A):
... def __init__(self, module):
... super(A, self).log('system')
...
>>> c = B('module')
=
You should be passed super the current class you want the super class of, not
the type of the super class. So it should be:
super(B, self).log('system') # Notice that it passed class B
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RE: Invoke a superclass method from a subclass constructor
>You should be passed super the current class you want the super class of, not
>the type of the super class. So it should be:
>super(B, self).log('system') # Notice that it passed class B
Ugh, apologies for the poor English; my tea has not kicked in.
That first line would be more understandable as: 'You should pass the current
class (B) you want the super class of, not the type of the super class (A)
itself. So it should be:'
To clarify, by passing A to super it retrieves the definition for the base
class (object) which does not have the function you are trying to access.
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Re: Invoke a superclass method from a subclass constructor
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
> >You should be passed super the current class you want the super class of,
> not the type of the super class. So it should be:
>
> >super(*B*, self).log('system') # Notice that it passed class B
>
> ** **
>
> Ugh, apologies for the poor English; my tea has not kicked in.
>
> ** **
>
> That first line would be more understandable as: ‘You should pass the
> current class (B) you want the super class of, not the type of the super
> class (A) itself. So it should be:’
>
> ** **
>
> To clarify, by passing A to super it retrieves the definition for the base
> class (object) which does not have the function you are trying to access.*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Ramit
>
Thanks for helping me clarify on how to use super() in Py2+. That really
worked!
>>> class B(A):
... def __init__(self, module):
... self.module = A.log(self, module)
... print self.module # printing here is completely unnecessary
in a good OOP language
...
>>> c = B('system')
logged
>>> class B(A):
... def __init__(self, module):
... print super(B, self).log('system') # printing here is
completely unnecessary in a good OOP language
...
>>> c = B('system')
logged
>>>
When an instance of a class is created, all codes within that instance block
should be executed. That's my understanding of OOP.
Thanks everyone!
>
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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Re: Invoke a superclass method from a subclass constructor
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Kayode Odeyemi wrote:
class B(A):
> ... def __init__(self, module):
> ... self.module = A.log(self, module)
> ... print self.module # printing here is completely unnecessary
> in a good OOP language
> ...
c = B('system')
> logged
class B(A):
> ... def __init__(self, module):
> ... print super(B, self).log('system') # printing here is
> completely unnecessary in a good OOP language
> ...
c = B('system')
> logged
> When an instance of a class is created, all codes within that instance block
> should be executed. That's my understanding of OOP.
The initializer should be executed, which is what Python does. Your
initializer then calls A.log, which does nothing interesting at all.
My question is, what exactly is it that you intend A.log to do? As
written, it does not do any logging. It merely constructs a string
and then returns it. Neither constructing a string, nor returning a
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Re: How do I automate the removal of all non-ascii characters from my code?
2011/9/13 Alec Taylor :
> Hmm, nothing mentioned so far works for me...
>
> Here's a very small test case:
>
python -u "Convert to Creole.py"
> File "Convert to Creole.py", line 1
> SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file Convert to Creole.py
> on line 1, but no encoding declared; see
> http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details
Exit Code: 1
>
> Line 1: a=u'''≤'''.encode("ascii", "ignore").decode("ascii")
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Vlastimil Brom
> wrote:
>> 2011/9/13 ron :
>>>
>>> Depending on the load, you can do something like:
>>>
>>> "".join([x for x in string if ord(x) < 128])
>>>
>>> It's worked great for me in cleaning input on webapps where there's a
>>> lot of copy/paste from varied sources.
>>> --
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>>>
>> Well, for this kind of dirty "data cleaning" you may as well use e.g.
>>
> u"äteöxt ÛÜÝ wiÉÊËÌthÞßà áânoûüýþn ASɔɕɖCɗɘəɚɛIɗɘəɚɛIεζ iηθιn
> жзbetийклweeჟრსn .ტუ..ფ".encode("ascii", "ignore").decode("ascii")
>> u'text with non ASCII in between ...'
>
>>
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>
Ok, in that case the encoding probably would be utf-8; \xe2 is just
the first part of the encoded data
>>> u'≤'.encode("utf-8")
'\xe2\x89\xa4'
>>>
Setting this encoding at the beginning of the file, as mentioned
before, might solve the problem while retaining the symbol in question
(or you could move from syntax error to some unicode related error
depending on other circumstances...).
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Re: Invoke a superclass method from a subclass constructor
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Kayode Odeyemi wrote: When an instance of a class is created, all codes within that instance block should be executed. That's my understanding of OOP. I don't understand this phrasing at all. Could you show a specific example of something that does not execute code you think should be executed? I suspect you're just confused by things the interactive session is printing out, which are not part of the language, and work a bit differently. DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Invoke a superclass method from a subclass constructor
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Dave Angel wrote: > I suspect you're just confused by things the interactive session is > printing out, which are not part of the language, and work a bit > differently. You are right. This is where I missed it. The command interface requires a print command, as against using a return statement. My apologies. -- Odeyemi 'Kayode O. http://www.sinati.com. t: @charyorde -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
ANN: unpyc3 - a python bytecode decompiler for Python3
Hi all, Unpyc3 can recreate Python3 source code from code objects, function source code from function objects, and module source code from .pyc files. The current version is able to decompile itself successfully :). It has been tested with Python3.2 only. It currently reconstructs most of Python 3 (see TODO below) constructs but probably needs to be tested more thoroughly. All feedback welcome. Unpyc3 is a single file and is available at http://code.google.com/p/unpyc3/ Example: >>> from unpyc3 import decompile >>> def foo(x, y, z=3, *args): ...global g ...for i, j in zip(x, y): ...if z == i + j or args[i] == j: ...g = i, j ...return ... >>> print(decompile(foo)) def foo(x, y, z=3, *args): global g for i, j in zip(x, y): if z == i + j or args[i] == j: g = i, j return TODO: * Support for keyword-only arguments * Handle assert statements * Show docstrings for functions and modules * Nice spacing between function/class declarations Have fun! Note: unpyc3 is totally unrelated to another project called "unpyc" which I discovered when I tried to register the same project name on google code. -- Arnaud -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Need some experience
I have been a desktop Linux user for better than eleven years, as a hobby. Back when we still did most of our computing on desktops I even set up a rudimentary server setup in my home. Nothing fancy or anything, but I was proud of it and of the fact that it was built Microsoft free. I have no formal education in IT nor programming. Retired now, my career was finance; I was an IRS field agent. Since retiring two years ago, I have renewed my interest in software. I know some C and lately decided to learn Python. I have worked through a couple of the introductory texts and have a feeling for the OOP model, although I won't be able to call myself an experienced practitioner anytime soon. I am looking for an open source project that will allow me to develop my skills further. Financially, I'm set; I'm not looking for a job. I'm looking for some drudge work, where I can look at other peoples' code and make a contribution. Naturally I do not want to do this forever; I'm hoping to get up to speed with my skill set so I can work to more complexity later. Does anyone have some ideas that would help me? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need some experience
On 13/09/11 22:25, Tim Hanson wrote: > I have been a desktop Linux user for better than eleven years, as a hobby. > Back when we still did most of our computing on desktops I even set up a > rudimentary server setup in my home. Nothing fancy or anything, but I was > proud of it and of the fact that it was built Microsoft free. I have no > formal education in IT nor programming. Retired now, my career was finance; > I > was an IRS field agent. > > Since retiring two years ago, I have renewed my interest in software. I know > some C and lately decided to learn Python. I have worked through a couple of > the introductory texts and have a feeling for the OOP model, although I won't > be able to call myself an experienced practitioner anytime soon. > > I am looking for an open source project that will allow me to develop my > skills further. > > Financially, I'm set; I'm not looking for a job. I'm looking for some drudge > work, where I can look at other peoples' code and make a contribution. > Naturally I do not want to do this forever; I'm hoping to get up to speed > with > my skill set so I can work to more complexity later. > > Does anyone have some ideas that would help me? This is becoming something of an FAQ - I don't suppose there's a canned response link somewhere ? ;-) I like to recommend CPython itself — which is a bit hypocritical, as I haven't touched it in quite a while. It has a constantly overflowing bug tracker where I'm sure you can find a lot of fascinating problems that need solving. The community, I have found, is welcoming and friendly. Much of the standard library is written in Python, but if you know C, you can have a go at the C code as well. Thomas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need some experience
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 01:37:05 pm Thomas Jollans wrote: > On 13/09/11 22:25, Tim Hanson wrote: > > I have been a desktop Linux user for better than eleven years, as a > > hobby. Back when we still did most of our computing on desktops I even > > set up a rudimentary server setup in my home. Nothing fancy or > > anything, but I was proud of it and of the fact that it was built > > Microsoft free. I have no formal education in IT nor programming. > > Retired now, my career was finance; I was an IRS field agent. > > > > Since retiring two years ago, I have renewed my interest in software. I > > know some C and lately decided to learn Python. I have worked through a > > couple of the introductory texts and have a feeling for the OOP model, > > although I won't be able to call myself an experienced practitioner > > anytime soon. > > > > I am looking for an open source project that will allow me to develop my > > skills further. > > > > Financially, I'm set; I'm not looking for a job. I'm looking for some > > drudge work, where I can look at other peoples' code and make a > > contribution. Naturally I do not want to do this forever; I'm hoping to > > get up to speed with my skill set so I can work to more complexity > > later. > > > > Does anyone have some ideas that would help me? > > This is becoming something of an FAQ - I don't suppose there's a canned > response link somewhere ? ;-) > > I like to recommend CPython itself — which is a bit hypocritical, as I > haven't touched it in quite a while. It has a constantly overflowing bug > tracker where I'm sure you can find a lot of fascinating problems that > need solving. The community, I have found, is welcoming and friendly. > Much of the standard library is written in Python, but if you know C, > you can have a go at the C code as well. > > Thomas That's not a bad idea. From the past I know that bug fixing is a great way to learn a language. If you know a specific site to key in on, feel free to send me there. Otherwise I'll poke around the Python site and find it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need some experience
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 01:37:05 pm Thomas Jollans wrote: > On 13/09/11 22:25, Tim Hanson wrote: > > I have been a desktop Linux user for better than eleven years, as a > > hobby. Back when we still did most of our computing on desktops I even > > set up a rudimentary server setup in my home. Nothing fancy or > > anything, but I was proud of it and of the fact that it was built > > Microsoft free. I have no formal education in IT nor programming. > > Retired now, my career was finance; I was an IRS field agent. > > > > Since retiring two years ago, I have renewed my interest in software. I > > know some C and lately decided to learn Python. I have worked through a > > couple of the introductory texts and have a feeling for the OOP model, > > although I won't be able to call myself an experienced practitioner > > anytime soon. > > > > I am looking for an open source project that will allow me to develop my > > skills further. > > > > Financially, I'm set; I'm not looking for a job. I'm looking for some > > drudge work, where I can look at other peoples' code and make a > > contribution. Naturally I do not want to do this forever; I'm hoping to > > get up to speed with my skill set so I can work to more complexity > > later. > > > > Does anyone have some ideas that would help me? > > This is becoming something of an FAQ - I don't suppose there's a canned > response link somewhere ? ;-) > > I like to recommend CPython itself — which is a bit hypocritical, as I > haven't touched it in quite a while. It has a constantly overflowing bug > tracker where I'm sure you can find a lot of fascinating problems that > need solving. The community, I have found, is welcoming and friendly. > Much of the standard library is written in Python, but if you know C, > you can have a go at the C code as well. > > Thomas Never mind. I found it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need some experience
Am 13.09.2011 22:52, schrieb Tim Hanson: > That's not a bad idea. From the past I know that bug fixing is a great way > to > learn a language. If you know a specific site to key in on, feel free to > send > me there. Otherwise I'll poke around the Python site and find it. It's a great idea. We are always looking for volunteers that help the community to reduce the amount of open bugs. The bug tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ even has a category for beginners. You just have to search for keyword -> easy and you'll get a bunch of low hanging fruits to pick from. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need some experience
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 02:36:52 pm Christian Heimes wrote: > Am 13.09.2011 22:52, schrieb Tim Hanson: > > That's not a bad idea. From the past I know that bug fixing is a great > > way to learn a language. If you know a specific site to key in on, feel > > free to send me there. Otherwise I'll poke around the Python site and > > find it. > > It's a great idea. We are always looking for volunteers that help the > community to reduce the amount of open bugs. The bug tracker at > http://bugs.python.org/ even has a category for beginners. You just have > to search for keyword -> easy and you'll get a bunch of low hanging > fruits to pick from. This is exactly what I'm looking for. I don't know who is the "volunteer" here, me for obvious reasons, or the Python community for doing some free hand-holding. Now I know how I'll spend the next year. Thank you! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
ImportError: cannot import name dns
Why is the following ImportError raised? $ ./test Traceback (most recent call last): File "./test", line 3, in from foo import dns File "/home/jablko/foo/dns.py", line 1, in from foo import udp File "/home/jablko/foo/udp.py", line 1, in from foo import dns ImportError: cannot import name dns $ I reproduce this error with the following four files and five lines: == foo/dns.py == from foo import udp == foo/udp.py == from foo import dns == foo/__init__.py == (empty) == test == #!/usr/bin/env python from foo import dns -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need some experience
Tim Hanson writes: > On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 02:36:52 pm Christian Heimes wrote: > > We are always looking for volunteers that help the community to > > reduce the amount of open bugs. The bug tracker at > > http://bugs.python.org/ even has a category for beginners. You just > > have to search for keyword -> easy and you'll get a bunch of low > > hanging fruits to pick from. > > This is exactly what I'm looking for. I don't know who is the "volunteer" > here, me for obvious reasons, or the Python community for doing some free > hand-holding. Now I know how I'll spend the next year. Thank you! Excellent attitude. Thank you in advance for contributing to the Python community. -- \“With Lisp or Forth, a master programmer has unlimited power | `\ and expressiveness. With Python, even a regular guy can reach | _o__) for the stars.” —Raymond Hettinger | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The Usenet newsgroup news:comp.lang.python ...
mano mano writes: > Mikael Lyngvig accurately summarizes comp.lang.python discussion No, you're posting spam links. Go away and spend the rest of your miserable life in a deep hole. -- \ “If society were bound to invent technologies which could only | `\ be used entirely within the law, then we would still be sitting | _o__) in caves sucking our feet.” —Gene Kan, creator of Gnutella | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: The Usenet newsgroup news:comp.lang.python ...
>> Mikael Lyngvig accurately summarizes comp.lang.python discussion >No, you're posting spam links. Go away and spend the rest of your >miserable life in a deep hole. I was wondering since the text seemed like plausible non-spam (to me). Ramit Ramit Prasad | JPMorgan Chase Investment Bank | Currencies Technology 712 Main Street | Houston, TX 77002 work phone: 713 - 216 - 5423 This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The Usenet newsgroup news:comp.lang.python ...
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Prasad, Ramit wrote: > I was wondering since the text seemed like plausible non-spam (to me). > I suspect it was autogenerated from subject lines of recent emails. It'd not be hard to design a template that covers comp.lang.* or even comp.*. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: ImportError: cannot import name dns
-Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Bates Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: ImportError: cannot import name dns Why is the following ImportError raised? $ ./test Traceback (most recent call last): File "./test", line 3, in from foo import dns File "/home/jablko/foo/dns.py", line 1, in from foo import udp File "/home/jablko/foo/udp.py", line 1, in from foo import dns ImportError: cannot import name dns $ I reproduce this error with the following four files and five lines: == foo/dns.py == from foo import udp == foo/udp.py == from foo import dns == foo/__init__.py == (empty) == test == #!/usr/bin/env python from foo import dns === It is a circular dependency. Dns will try to import udp which will in turn import dns (again) in an endless cycle; instead an ImportError is raised. Circular dependency is a Bad Thing. Ramit Ramit Prasad | JPMorgan Chase Investment Bank | Currencies Technology 712 Main Street | Houston, TX 77002 work phone: 713 - 216 - 5423 This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need some experience
It's a great idea. We are always looking for volunteers that help the community to reduce the amount of open bugs. The bug tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ even has a category for beginners. You just have to search for keyword -> easy and you'll get a bunch of low hanging fruits to pick from. This is exactly what I'm looking for. I don't know who is the "volunteer" here, me for obvious reasons, or the Python community for doing some free hand-holding. Now I know how I'll spend the next year. Thank you! Also consider the core-mentorship mailing list and the dev guide at http://docs.python.org/devguide -- Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Re: Need some experience
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 06:12:27 pm Terry Reedy wrote: > >> It's a great idea. We are always looking for volunteers that help the > >> community to reduce the amount of open bugs. The bug tracker at > >> http://bugs.python.org/ even has a category for beginners. You just have > >> to search for keyword -> easy and you'll get a bunch of low hanging > >> fruits to pick from. > > > > This is exactly what I'm looking for. I don't know who is the "volunteer" > > here, me for obvious reasons, or the Python community for doing some free > > hand-holding. Now I know how I'll spend the next year. Thank you! > > Also consider the core-mentorship mailing list and the dev guide at > http://docs.python.org/devguide This is equally helpful. Thanks! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyWart: Itertools module needs attention
On Sep 13, 10:45 am, Ian Kelly wrote: > Have you looked at the online itertools documentation at all? > > http://docs.python.org/library/itertools.html Yes the online docs are much better. I really like the source code showing the inner workings of the methods. However i always get upset when i see poorly thought out doc-strings. My philosophy is that we should use the built in help function first and only visit the documentation if more instruction is needed. I may need to create another PyWart on the topic of doc-strings and how the author of these strings needs to forget everything he knows and imagine he is a complete python neophyte. I remember my initial frustrations learning about functions (in another life it seems) and my inability to grasp the concept was due to poor examples. I believe the author use the Fibonacci sequence as an example (Python docs use this example also). What an idiot! What does conditionals, linear assignment, loops, the print function, in-place addition, logic, blah, blah, have to do with understanding a function... NOTHING! The most basic and by far the best first example for functions (in any language) is this... def add(x, y): return x + y Followed by this... def sub(x,y): return x - y Simple and to the point. It simply reeks of "ah ha"! I dare anyone to create a better introductory function example. Dear Tutorial Writer: When writing tutorials please check your ego at the door. Thank you. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
GIL switch interval
i'm curious as to what can be done with (and handled better) by adjusting sys.setswitchinterval i've opened a question on SO for this, that people might find of interest: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7376776/sys-setswitchinterval-in-python-3-2-and-beyond -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Connection reset by peer
there is a multi-threads program dowloading data from yahoo,the main
structure is as the following(omit something unimportant )
class webdata(object):
def __init__(self,name):
self.jobs = Queue.Queue()
if x in name:
self.jobs.put(x)
def download(self):
try:
weburl=self.jobs.get()
url = weburl
hx = httplib2.Http()
resp, content = hx.request(url, headers=headers)
print
self.jobs.task_done()
except:
print url,"wrong"
self.jobs.task_done()
def run(self):
for i in range(30):
threading.Thread(target=self.download).start()
self.jobs.join()
if __name__=="__main__":
webdata('quote').run()
quote is a list which i want to download,i was confused ,this program can
download something,
can't download something,
when i cancel try,except , i get the output:
File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1436,
in request
(response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, request_uri,
method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey)
File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line
1188, in _request
(response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, body,
headers)
File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line
1171, in _conn_request
content = response.read()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 541, in read
return self._read_chunked(amt)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 590, in _read_chunked
value.append(self._safe_read(chunk_left))
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 647, in _safe_read
chunk = self.fp.read(min(amt, MAXAMOUNT))
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py", line 380, in read
data = self._sock.recv(left)
error: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer
i want to know, my computer(client) reset it ,or the yahoo (server)
reset it ,what is the peer??--
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stackoverflow and c.l.py (was: GIL switch interval)
Matt Joiner, 14.09.2011 04:23: i'm curious as to what can be done with (and handled better) by adjusting sys.setswitchinterval i've opened a question on SO for this, that people might find of interest: http://stackoverflow.com[...] I wonder why people ask this kind of question on stackoverflow, and then come here asking people to go over there, read the question, and (potentially) provide an answer. IMHO, c.l.py is a much better place to ask Python(-related) questions than stackoverflow. It's also a much better place to search for an answer that is already available in the archives. Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: stackoverflow and c.l.py (was: GIL switch interval)
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:12 pm Stefan Behnel wrote: > Matt Joiner, 14.09.2011 04:23: >> i'm curious as to what can be done with (and handled better) by >> adjusting sys.setswitchinterval >> i've opened a question on SO for this, that people might find of >> interest: http://stackoverflow.com[...] > > I wonder why people ask this kind of question on stackoverflow, and then > come here asking people to go over there, read the question, and > (potentially) provide an answer. You should post that question on stackoverflow, and ask them to reply here. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: ANN: unpyc3 - a python bytecode decompiler for Python3
Le 13/09/11 22:20, Arnaud Delobelle a écrit : Hi all, Unpyc3 can recreate Python3 source code from code objects, function source code from function objects, and module source code from .pyc files. The current version is able to decompile itself successfully :). It has been tested with Python3.2 only. It currently reconstructs most of Python 3 (see TODO below) constructs but probably needs to be tested more thoroughly. All feedback welcome. Unpyc3 is a single file and is available at http://code.google.com/p/unpyc3/ Example: from unpyc3 import decompile def foo(x, y, z=3, *args): ...global g ...for i, j in zip(x, y): ...if z == i + j or args[i] == j: ...g = i, j ...return ... print(decompile(foo)) def foo(x, y, z=3, *args): global g for i, j in zip(x, y): if z == i + j or args[i] == j: g = i, j return TODO: * Support for keyword-only arguments * Handle assert statements * Show docstrings for functions and modules * Nice spacing between function/class declarations Have fun! Note: unpyc3 is totally unrelated to another project called "unpyc" which I discovered when I tried to register the same project name on google code. Hi, trying your code, I have had numbers of errors: File "unpyc3.py", line 55, in SETUP_WITH, NameError: name 'SETUP_WITH' is not defined commented it File "unpyc3.py", line 58, in STORE_DEREF, DELETE_DEREF, NameError: name 'DELETE_DEREF' is not defined commented it File "unpyc3.py", line 96, in dec_module stream = open(pyc_path, "rb") UnboundLocalError: local variable 'pyc_path' referenced before assignment change pyc_path to path File "unpyc3.py", line 98, in dec_module code = Code(code_obj) File "unpyc3.py", line 210, in __init__ for v in code_obj.co_cellvars + code_obj.co_freevars] AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'co_cellvars' ... Cheers -- Vincent V.V. Oqapy . Qarte+7 . PaQager -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
memory error
Hello All,
I keep coming across a memory error when processing many netcdf files. I
assume it has something to do with how I loop things and maybe need to close
things off properly.
In the code below I am looping through a bunch of netcdf files (each file is
hourly data for one month) and within each netcdf file I am outputting a
*png file every three hours.
This works for one netcdf file but when it begins to process the next netcdf
file I receive this memory error:
*Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"d:/plot_netcdf_merc_multiplot_across_multifolders_mkdirs_memoryerror.py",
line 44, in
TSFC=ncfile.variables['T_SFC'][:]
File "netCDF4.pyx", line 2473, in netCDF4.Variable.__getitem__
(netCDF4.c:23094)
MemoryError*
To reduce processing requirements I have tried making the LAT and LON to
only use [0] but I also receive an error:
*Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"d:/plot_netcdf_merc_multiplot_across_multifolders_mkdirs_memoryerror.py",
line 75, in
x,y=map(*N.meshgrid(LON,LAT))
File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\numpy\lib\function_base.py", line
3256, in meshgrid
numRows, numCols = len(y), len(x) # yes, reversed
TypeError: len() of unsized object*
finally I have added gc.collect() in a couple of places but that doesn't
seem to do anything to help.
I am using :*Python 2.7.2 |EPD 7.1-2 (32-bit)| (default, Jul 3 2011,
15:13:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32*
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated!
from netCDF4 import Dataset
import numpy
import numpy as N
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
from numpy import ma as MA
from mpl_toolkits.basemap import Basemap
from netcdftime import utime
from datetime import datetime
import os
import gc
print "start processing"
inputpath=r'E:/GriddedData/Input/'
outputpath=r'E:/GriddedData/Validation/'
shapefile1="E:/test_GIS/DSE_REGIONS"
for (path, dirs, files) in os.walk(inputpath):
for dir in dirs:
print dir
sourcepath=os.path.join(path,dir)
relativepath=os.path.relpath(sourcepath,inputpath)
newdir=os.path.join(outputpath,relativepath)
if not os.path.exists(newdir):
os.makedirs(newdir)
for ncfile in files:
if ncfile[-3:]=='.nc':
print "dealing with ncfiles:", ncfile
ncfile=os.path.join(sourcepath,ncfile)
#print ncfile
ncfile=Dataset(ncfile, 'r+', 'NETCDF4')
TSFC=ncfile.variables['T_SFC'][:,:,:]
TIME=ncfile.variables['time'][:]
LAT=ncfile.variables['latitude'][:]
LON=ncfile.variables['longitude'][:]
fillvalue=ncfile.variables['T_SFC']._FillValue
TSFC=MA.masked_values(TSFC, fillvalue)
ncfile.close()
gc.collect()
print "garbage collected"
for TSFC, TIME in zip((TSFC[1::3]),(TIME[1::3])):
print TSFC, TIME
#convert time from numbers to date and prepare it to have no
symbols for saving to filename
cdftime=utime('seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00')
ncfiletime=cdftime.num2date(TIME)
print ncfiletime
timestr=str(ncfiletime)
d = datetime.strptime(timestr, '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')
date_string = d.strftime('%Y%m%d_%H%M')
#Set up basemap using mercator projection
http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/basemap/doc/html/users/merc.html
map = Basemap(projection='merc',llcrnrlat=-40,urcrnrlat=-33,
llcrnrlon=139.0,urcrnrlon=151.0,lat_ts=0,resolution='i')
# compute map projection coordinates for lat/lon grid.
x,y=map(*N.meshgrid(LON,LAT))
map.drawcoastlines(linewidth=0.5)
map.readshapefile(shapefile1, 'DSE_REGIONS')
map.drawstates()
plt.title('Surface temperature at %s UTC'%ncfiletime)
ticks=[-5,0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50]
CS = map.contourf(x,y,TSFC, ticks, cmap=plt.cm.jet)
l,b,w,h =0.1,0.1,0.8,0.8
cax = plt.axes([l+w+0.025, b, 0.025, h], )
cbar=plt.colorbar(CS, cax=cax, drawedges=True)
#save map as *.png and plot netcdf file
plt.savefig((os.path.join(newdir,'TSFC'+date_string+'UTC.png')))
plt.close()
gc.collect()
print "garbage collected again"
print "end of processing"
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Re: ANN: unpyc3 - a python bytecode decompiler for Python3
On 14 September 2011 06:53, Vincent Vande Vyvre wrote: > > Hi, trying your code, I have had numbers of errors: Hi Vincent, thanks for trying it. > File "unpyc3.py", line 55, in > SETUP_WITH, > NameError: name 'SETUP_WITH' is not defined > > commented it > > File "unpyc3.py", line 58, in > STORE_DEREF, DELETE_DEREF, > NameError: name 'DELETE_DEREF' is not defined > > commented it What version of Python are you running this on? This is module is written for Python 3. It looks like you're using an old version of Python (before the with statement was introduced - 2.5?) > File "unpyc3.py", line 96, in dec_module > stream = open(pyc_path, "rb") > UnboundLocalError: local variable 'pyc_path' referenced before assignment > > change pyc_path to path Thanks, I've fixed that. -- Arnaud -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: stackoverflow and c.l.py
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:12 pm Stefan Behnel wrote: Matt Joiner, 14.09.2011 04:23: i'm curious as to what can be done with (and handled better) by adjusting sys.setswitchinterval i've opened a question on SO for this, that people might find of interest: http://stackoverflow.com[...] I wonder why people ask this kind of question on stackoverflow, and then come here asking people to go over there, read the question, and (potentially) provide an answer. You should post that question on stackoverflow, and ask them to reply here. +10! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
