Re: [Python-Dev] Building Py3K branch docs with Sphinx

2009-03-12 Thread andrew cooke
Tim Golden wrote:
> Tim Golden wrote:
>> Can I ask which flavour of Sphinx is being used to build the py3k docs?
>> I've taken the naive approach of simply pulling the sources from
>> branches/py3k and then calling make checkout to fetch the appropriate
>> sources, but these are from http://svn.python.org/projects and are
>> the same for 2.x and 3.x (and don't work under 3.x).
>
>
> ... or I could just use an existing Python 2.x installation to build
> the 3.x docs. Obviously. (slaps forehead)

I asked about this on the Sphinx list a while back.  I didn't get any
response at the time, but checking now I see that a week later someone
(the author I assume) commented -
http://groups.google.com/group/sphinx-dev/browse_thread/thread/9a0286f5deeb2912/778a02c397295add

So it seems that there is no public solution until release 0.6, and that
you cannot be able to run doctests when running with a "different" Python
version (my code should work with 3.0 and 2.6, so tests might work; for
some reason I can no longer remember I disabled that).

Anyway, I generate docs for 3.x code using 2.x and it does work (without
doctests).

Andrew

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Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects: 3to2

2009-03-19 Thread andrew cooke
Terry Reedy wrote:
> Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>> Terry Reedy  udel.edu> writes:
>>> Some of the people who need to support both late 2.x and 3.x would
>>> prefer to write 3.x code and backport.  The OP of a current python-list
>>> thread asked whether there was any way to write something like
>>>
>>> @alias('__nonzero__')
>>> def __bool__(self): return True
>>
>> How about simply:
>> __nonzero__ = __bool__
>>
>>> I believe my own 3.0 code will mainly also need
>>> print() to print statement
>>
>> If this is only about supporting "late 2.x" (i.e., 2.6 and upwards), you
>> can
>> already write:
>
> People often do not specify.  I suspect some are thinking back to 2.5,
> but that will change in the future.


i am the author of the original post quoted above.  i wrote a parser
library (lepl) using 3.0.  backporting to 2.6 was fairly easy, but it
still does not run with 2.5.

if i remember correctly it appeared that i was going to need separate
source files because of significant differences in syntax (print,
exceptions) as well as missing functionality (metaclasses, string
formatting).

andrew


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Re: [Python-Dev] Unladen-Swallow: A faster python

2009-03-28 Thread andrew cooke
Mark Hammond wrote:
> On 28/03/2009 9:50 PM, andrew cooke wrote:
>> Tim Roberts wrote:
>>> [...]  IronPython has certainly shown that Python can be successfully
>>> implemented in a JIT compiled VM in a performant way, but it has issues
>>> running C extension modules.
>>>
>>> I'll be curious to see where this project goes.
>>
>> given the comments on python-dev i wonder if this is the first
>> indication
>> that python is going to split into separate implementations for windows
>> and unix (via .net and llvm, respectively)?
>
> What comments are they?  There is no indication that unladen-swallow  is
> fundamentally broken for Windows, just temporarily broken due to the
> lack of windows developers/contributors...

the comments you are referring to - that windows is not a priority, that
they currently have no testing on windows machines, etc.  i quote, for
example: "None of the three of us have Windows machines, nor do we
particularly want to acquire them :), and Windows support isn't going to
be a big priority."

> Saying-no-to-fud ly,

which part of "i wonder" don't you understand?  i'm not saying it is true,
i'm just discussing the possibility.  i am getting a little tired of
people here acting so defensively...  i'm discussing a programming
language, not the size of your dick.

andrew


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Re: [Python-Dev] Unladen-Swallow: A faster python

2009-03-28 Thread andrew cooke
Mark Hammond wrote:
[...I wrote]
>  > i'm discussing a programming language, not the size of your dick.
>
> Wow, talk about jumping to conclusions :)  Is there something you feel
> the need to get off your chest?

i'm not sure how this has ended up in python-dev; i was responding in
python and if you read that group my comments may have made a little more
sense (there were some hysterics in a separate thread accusing me of
saying python was "dying" because i was concerned about how the discussion
groups had evolved).

anyway, that had nothing to do with you and i am sorry i responded like that.

andrew


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