[Python-Dev] for Python + Java devs - real-world importance of the security model
Hello everybody, I'm getting back into some Java game programming using the (excellent) libgdx library. It's been a couple years since I've written Java classes from scratch and it's got me thinking. The Java code I'm going through has lots 'final' and 'static' variable declarations, along with public vs private vs protected. For those of you who are Java devs in the real world ... is this security model really important? Is it protection against other developers somehow modifying state in your program via another package somewhere in the system? I've been doing Ruby code for a couple years now, and Python for a bit longer, and while I'm not a senior level dev by any means, I have yet to see where this security model is actually useful. Why not just keep it simple? For now I am writing my classes with very little protection keywords ... with as little keywords as possible actually. But I'm just getting started and I need to read up more. Any Java devs out there care to chime in? I'm not trying to troll, just interested in a response from those who appreciate KISS as a general principle. Thanks! -- A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. - Abraham Maslow ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] for Python + Java devs - real-world importance of the security model
Oops sorry I meant to send it elsewhere. Stupid auto complete :P On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 8 March 2014 20:27, Sean Felipe Wolfe wrote: >> Hello everybody, >> >> I'm getting back into some Java game programming using the (excellent) >> libgdx library. It's been a couple years since I've written Java >> classes from scratch and it's got me thinking. > > Sean, did you mean to send this to core Python list? It is not > relevant to CPython development (it's really off topic even for > python-ideas). > > A more appropriate venue for this kind of general programming question > is the "Programmers" subsite of Stack Exchange. For example, you can > see some discussion of the "private" variable question at > https://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/143736/why-do-we-need-private-variables > > Regards, > Nick. > > -- > Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia -- A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. - Abraham Maslow ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] hg branching + log question
I'm getting my feet wet with the cpython sources and Mercurial. I'm a bit confused -- when I checkout a branch, eg. 3.3, and I do an 'hg log', why do I see log messages for other branches? I'm expecting different branches to be kept discreetly. If I switch to 3.3, then I expect to see only 3.3 commits and changes. Also, what does the branch 'default' mean in this context? Since cpython is concerned with 3 major concurrent release tracks, why would there even be a default ? Does it just point to 3.4? Thanks. -- A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. - Abraham Maslow ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] trouble building 3.3
Ah ok, got it. Antoine - I'll try your solution out though just out of curiosity, thanks :) On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 3/17/2014 3:57 PM, Sean Felipe Wolfe wrote: >> >> I'm working on some IDLE oriented bugs and I'm having some trouble >> building the 3.3 branch: > > > Starting today, Idle for 3.3 is no more patched. > 2.7, 3.4, and 3.5 will be patched for now. > > > > -- > Terry Jan Reedy > > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ether.joe%40gmail.com -- A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. - Abraham Maslow ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] hg branching + log question
Ah well, ok. That seems pretty counterintuitive to me though. I suppose Hg has its quirks just like ... that other DCVS system ... :P On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:02:23 -0700 > Sean Felipe Wolfe wrote: >> I'm getting my feet wet with the cpython sources and Mercurial. I'm a >> bit confused -- when I checkout a branch, eg. 3.3, and I do an 'hg >> log', why do I see log messages for other branches? > > This is a classic hg question, you would get the answer by asking > Mercurial for help: hg log --help :) > > Basically, to restrict the log to a given branch, just use the -b > option: hg log -b 3.3. > > Regards > > Antoine. > > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ether.joe%40gmail.com -- A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. - Abraham Maslow ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 2.7.4 release candidate 1
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Anyway, you should trust Brett Canon: "Python 3.3: Trust Me, It's > Better Than Python 2.7". > > https://speakerdeck.com/pyconslides/python-3-dot-3-trust-me-its-better-than-python-2-dot-7-by-dr-brett-cannon Was there supposed to be audio with this, or is it slides only? I got no audio :P ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 2.7.4 release candidate 1
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Hynek Schlawack wrote: > Speakerdeck is slides only. The video is here: > http://pyvideo.org/video/1730/python-33-trust-me-its-better-than-27 Sweet thanks! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] noob contributions to unit tests
Hey everybody how are you all :) I am an intermediate-level python coder looking to get help out. I've been reading over the dev guide about helping increase test coverage --> http://docs.python.org/devguide/coverage.html And also the third-party code coverage referenced in the devguide page: http://coverage.livinglogic.de/ I'm seeing that according to the coverage tool, two of my favorite libraries, urllib/urllib2, have no unit tests? Is that correct or am I reading it wrong? If that's correct it seems like a great place perhaps for me to cut my teeth and I would be excited to learn and help out here. And of course any thoughts or advice for an aspiring Python contributor would be appreciated. Of course the dev guide gives me plenty of good info. Thanks! -- A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. - Abraham Maslow ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] A decade as a core dev
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > Today marks my 10 year anniversary as a core developer on Python. I > wrote a blog post to mark the occasion > (http://sayspy.blogspot.ca/2013/04/a-decade-of-commits.html), but I > wanted to personally thank python-dev for the past decade (and > whatever comes in the future). All of you taught me how to really > program and for that I will be eternally grateful. And the friendships > I have built through this list are priceless. Congratulations Brett :) I am just getting started on my contribuatory journey and this is good positive reinforcement. Saludos!! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] slow hg clone of python repo?
Hey everybody, I'm trying to download the python sources with hg and it's taking a while ... 7+ minutes so far and all I've got is .../cpython and .../cypython/.hg . Any ideas as to why there's a delay? I'm following the dev guide with this command: hg clone http://hg.python.org/cpython I'm on Linux Mint 14, using the supplied hg version 2.2.2 . My internet connection seems speedy enough. TIA! Sean -- A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. - Abraham Maslow ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] slow hg clone of python repo?
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > It's a big repo. Patience. > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Sean Felipe Wolfe > wrote: >> Hey everybody, I'm trying to download the python sources with hg and >> it's taking a while ... 7+ minutes so far and all I've got is >> .../cpython and .../cypython/.hg . Any ideas as to why there's a >> delay? >> >> I'm following the dev guide with this command: >> hg clone http://hg.python.org/cpython >> >> I'm on Linux Mint 14, using the supplied hg version 2.2.2 . My >> internet connection seems speedy enough. >> >> TIA! >> Sean Thanks :) It actually completed quickly after I sent the email. :P ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] noob contributions to unit tests
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Walter Dörwald wrote: > > Am 27.03.2013 um 03:24 schrieb R. David Murray : > >> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:59:06 -0700, Maciej Fijalkowski >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Sean Felipe Wolfe >>> wrote: >>>> Hey everybody how are you all :) >>>> >>>> I am an intermediate-level python coder looking to get help out. I've >>>> been reading over the dev guide about helping increase test coverage >>>> --> >>>> http://docs.python.org/devguide/coverage.html >>>> >>>> And also the third-party code coverage referenced in the devguide page: >>>> http://coverage.livinglogic.de/ >>>> >>>> I'm seeing that according to the coverage tool, two of my favorite >>>> libraries, urllib/urllib2, have no unit tests? Is that correct or am I >>>> reading it wrong? >>>> >>>> If that's correct it seems like a great place perhaps for me to cut my >>>> teeth and I would be excited to learn and help out here. >>>> >>>> And of course any thoughts or advice for an aspiring Python >>>> contributor would be appreciated. Of course the dev guide gives me >>>> plenty of good info. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>> >>> That looks like an error in the coverage report, there are certainly >>> urllib and urllib2 tests in test/test_urllib* >> >> The devguide contains instructions for running coverage yourself, >> and if I recall correctly the 'fullcoverage' recipe does a better >> job than what runs at coverage.livinglogic.de. > > The job that produces that output has been broken for some time now, and I > haven't found the time to look into it. If someone wants to try, here's the > code: > >https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pycoco/0.7.2 > >> […] > > Servus, >Walter > Hello Walter and everybody, after a bit of family time and other stuffs, I'm getting back to this today and looking at what's involved in fixing the livinglogic code coverage tool. I was able to get the depencies and a few minor issues, and now the script is running on a first attempt. I'll report back with progress or problems. Thanks y'all :) -- A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. - Abraham Maslow ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
